tie rod in all the way, still toe-in

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spitz7985
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New rack installed. I've got the tie rod screwed in as far as it goes and still have slight toe in on the wheel. How can I adjust this?

-Brandon


NISTECH
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this should not be a problem. If you had both tie rods screwed so far in that they dont turn any more your tires would be so far toed out they would squeel when trying to drive it. you do know the nut will screw all the way in on the inner rod right? Its not seized on the inner tie rod and you are thinking that is all the way in are you?

spitz7985
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Oh, no, lol, the outer tie rod is screwed in so far that there is no more room inside of it for the inner tie rod to go. There are still a few more threads left on the inner tie rod, but the outer won't go in anymore. Is there some adjustment on the rack or something?

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no, you either have the wrong rack or your not measuring your toe right.

spitz7985
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I just got back from the alignment shop. They got the toe back to stock, but they said that they had to screw that tie rod all the way in, which was wierd. What could it be?

Is it possible that the steering column could be attached wrong?

s13sr20chris
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wrong tie rods, bent susp(would prob cause other problems), or something of that nature.

spitz7985
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The rack came with the tie rods, the tie rod ends seem to be correct, and I've replaced them before so I'm pretty sure I would be able to tell if they were wrong, and nothing appears to be bent.

s13sr20chris
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was it an aftermarket rack? maybe somebody did not run the die far enough down th tie rods.

ok you got the knuckle/spindle/hub/brakes/wheel. to the rear you have tie rod right? to the front you have nothing right? under is the lower control arm and upper is the strut. if the tie rod and all is right...lower control arm may be bend or just too shortstrut could be bentetc. but if the prob is on both sides then its more likely in the rack assembly. tie rods, rack too big, etc.im sorry if this seems so basic, but i really dont know what else could be wrong. how much toe in do you have?

spitz7985
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The alignment shop got the toe on both sides within factory spec, but the driver's side tie rod end is screwed in as far as it goes. The inner tie rod hit the "bottom" of the hole in the tie rod end when we screwed it far enough to get the toe right. And there are only one or two free threads showing on the inner tie rod. I haven't looked closely at the other side to see if it has any problem, but when I was eyeballing the toe so I could drive the car to the shop, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

I'm fairly sure that even if I hadn't noticed anything bent, the shop would have when they did the alignment.

This is what I'm thinking, When I got the rack, I assumed that the splined shaft that the steering column bolts to was in the middle, allowing me to just bolt the column onto it. Maybe, (if it's even possible?) the rack was one steering wheel turn off from the middle. Know what I mean? Like, I would have to turn the steering wheel one full turn to the right, unbolt the tie rods, unbolt the steering column, straighten the rack so its in the middle, and then reattach the tie rods. Get what I mean? I'm not even sure if this is possible because NISTECH made it seem like there is only one way to attach the rack.

Thanks for your help man.

s13sr20chris
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yeah, nissan racks only go in one way but i have seen them forced to go in wrong. that could cause a loss of toe on one side if you were just off a little. if you were off a lot then there would be no help for your crooked steering wheel. how is the pass tie rod?

spitz7985
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I don't know offhand, I'll have to take a look. Is there any possibility this could be the wrong rack? I mean, other then this tie rod issue, everything else fits perfect, so I'm thinking it probably isn't the wrong one.

Another thing that may or may not be related; I have more steering wheel play then I used to.

Can someone count how many steering wheel turns from lock to lock on their non-Hicas 240 for me? Thanks in advance. I'm fairly sure the Hicas rack is quicker but just want to check for sure.


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