throw out bearing?

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i think my throw out bearing just went out. here's the problem, when i press down the clutch it doesn't disingage at all till like the very bottom, and thats not enough. from start i have to use all my force to get the car in gear becuse of the clutch. i think my throw out bearing went out since i didn't change it when i put in my new engine, what do you guys think? maybe slave cylinder? i'm gonna take a look at it when i get a chance.

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if it jsut happened all of a sudden than somethign had to have happened (broke) suddenly.

1st) check out the pedal assembly and make sure the clamp that is part of the master cylinder push rod is attached to the pedal correctly and not broken

2nd) check out all the lines and make sure none of them are leaking (assumign you aren't a dufus and you have clutch fluid)

If all the visible is fine then try to bleed teh system first. If that doesnt solve it then its probably somethign with the clutch fork/fork pin. THe TOB really wouldn't do that unless it completely broke apart. Pull out the boot thats on the shift yolk/fork and look to see if it looks normal inside of there.

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i forgot to ask, how much are release bearings usually? and i remember reading in the fsm that you need a special tool to remove it, does anyone know how much that tool costs?

~swave

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alright thnx Austin, there's definetly fluid cuz i checked today. probobly saturday i'll have time to check it out, but i can kinda feel it disingage the clutch a little all the way at the end, but just a tiny bit.

~swave

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I doubt it's the T.O. bearing. They tend to just make noise when they go bad. Might just be your pedal adjustment. Check the Free play and pedal height to make sure they are within factory specs.

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alright thnx. i was just looking at all that in the FSM, how could it just go like that all of a sudden though?

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Bcause the push rod from teh master cylinder has a "U" shaped clip that attached to the back of the pedal with witha little plug and pin that secures the plug (you will know what Im talking about by looking at it), and that clip can sometimes break in one spot/side meaning that only 1 side of the "U" clip is attached to the pedal now and has symtoms EXACTLY as you described (happened to me so I know).

This requires a new rod assembly from the dealer (of if you can find one used) which cost me $12 from nissan. ALl you have to do is take out the master cylinder and pull out the C clip holding it in and put the new rod in. Reinstall everything, bleed clutch and enjoy...

TOB's can be had for about $10 at autozone or $25 or so from the...but like me and C-kwik said that is most likely NOT the problem.

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yea i'm starting to doubt that too, and i looked at the little pushrod thing and i think it might be what your saying candela, i'm gonna look at it better tom.

~swave

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cool, let us know. Good luck!

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now i see what you're saying candela, i wasn't sure before but i just looked in my fsm and i get what your saying. now how would i go to take out the pushrod thing. do i unbolt it from inside the engine, or take off the clutch pedal, or both? also when this happened to you, how long did it take you to do this? i'm gonna try and at least find the problem tommorow, thnx so much guys i appreciate it.

~swave

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took about 15 minutes...

You first take out the clip and the pin from the pedal to disconnect the rod. Then you take out the master cylinder (fluid drain) and lay her down. THere is a C clip holding the rod assembly in. SImply take it out (dont damage it cause you need ot reuse it), clean it out a little, install the new assembly and then put the clip back in. Install MC back on firewall, clip/pin rod to pedal then bleed the clutch and drive away happy.

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alright thnx man, i'm going to try and do that right now. one question though is that i never bled anything, so this would be my first time. what kinda hose do i use to connect to the bleeder hole. do you have to bleed it from the clutch connector and the slave cylinder? or just the slave? and about how mdo i know if there's no more air in there? just no air bubbles?thnx again

~swave

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hehe, you are full of questions :p

Ummm well if it were my car I would use this as a time to eliminate the clutch dampener (http://www.240sx.org faq) to make it easier. I would guess its about a 3/8 hose. If this is the first time you have bled it then FLUSH IT. Get rid of ALL the old fluid. Use some fresh fluid and bleed it until you start to daydream abotu midgets flying aruond or something... cause it will take a while to flush all the old stuff out. This also is a good time to install a SS clutch line if you ever had that planned... that way you can install the line and completely eliminate the dampner system and bleed it really quick.

You only bleed from the slave... that whole gravity master bleed thing doesnt work suffciently. Just make sure its tight and full of fresh fluid and have a patient person pumping the clutch cause they will be there a while

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thnx man, but it turns out thats not the problem. i checked all that and the U type of clip is all fine, i jacked the car up and looked at the slave cylinder while someonepushed in the clutch, and to my suprise the slave worked fine. then i took of the little dust boot and found pieces of the actual clutch in there, i quess it just broke apart, i mean when i put in my newer KA i used the old clutch, so now i'm in the process of changing that, i took off all the bolts that hold the engine to the transmission, now i have to disconnect the driveshaft, and the transmission mount and lower it and replace it. do you know how much clutches usually go for? just regular clutches, no pressure plates or anything. and just a regualr one not a performance one? Thnx man i appreciate the help.

~swave

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You can get a clutch kit for about 100 bucks. Keep in mind though, the cheap clutches are kind of ****. Naturally, it'll work, but it won't last as long as a more expensive kit. PEACE. Tek.

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how long do the cheap ones last on average.thnx

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I'd say a cheap one will last you about 10k. A good one should last about 40k although there are a lot of variables involved. I've heard of people's clutches lasting them since the car was new all the way till 90k. So, I don't really know. My knowledge is limited. Am I right guys? PEACE. Tek.


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