This made me GIGGLE today - TOMEI CA20 GENISIS Engine for sale ~$6,000

[CA19DET]

ok browsing Yahoo Japan Auction came across this:







hahahaha, ok now that you have stopped giggling too here are the parts i can make out from the parts list..

Although before purchased at the auction, since it did not use after all, it sends. In Tomei, since CA20 kit was put on the market for 290,000 yen those days, I think that it is very worthy. The pure part (except a water pump) of the 3rd photograph is also attached. Since parts are also attached in large numbers, I think that it is profit. I need your help by the no claim no return. CA18 ËÇ ->2, 0§¤ boa It is full CHUN. although it is head contents -- field correction polish, valve guide processing, a new article valve, valve sheet expansion, IN port polish, expansion, OUT port polish, expansion, and a high cam east name -- original 80 degree processing x2, a cam, RISESU processing, an east name strengthening valve spring, a pulsar, and the contents of an GTI-R strengthening valve RIFUTA (SIMM adjustment 驪¹ for GTI-R) block East name CA18 ËÇ -> 2, 0§¤ kit new article <<crank & piston & flywheel one-off (6 inch clutch 驪¹)>> KONRODDO (weight ùêªïª»), an oil pump new article

from that i can gather its a monster

http://nifty.amikai.com/amiweb...nifty

[JDMSIL80]

That is sweeet...........

I wonder how much boost it can handle and what kind of power it can make?

[r34 gtr]

a lot and a lot. with proper cooling/fuelling/etc.

that engine is soooooo sweet. if i had that i would absolutely rule the friggin universe! too bad i dont have the ludicrous amount of money it costs.

- Tim

[boost_boy]

Good find "Aaron". To you newbs and those who just don't know any better, you had best to pay attention to what the parts list included and what's involved in building such a head-banger. So in short, just because you buy high lift cams from ebay doesn't mean it's okay to go throw them in your car and rev as high as 10,000rpm. I can assure you this, try it and let's see what really happens. It's alot involved in building such a motor. I know because I built one for myself with the help of two different machine shops and a crap load of cash. Mine rang in at over $4,000 in parts for the physical motor, over $2000 in machine work, and let's not even get into what the accessories cost (ie custom intake and exhaust manifold, turbocharger, wastegate, injectors, blah, blah). So unless you're prepared to dump nearly $10k into an engine, keep what you got and take notes from those who have been where you're trying to go. BTW, that price is not bad .

Dee

[tyrannix]

a steal considering that just the CA 1950 tomei pistons are almost $2000 by themselves ... then add the crank and rods and thats about $6000 right there ( + machine work to prep the block for them.... ) .... you would even have a great deal there if it was just the bottom end

[rico05]

Damn. Get a ND Fast Road and save some $$$.

[silvia_ca18det]

its not 6000 bucks! its more like 3800 well 3800 without shipping and if u have a good contact in japan it should land for around 4500....damn its a sexy motor

[oldschoolsilvia]

That would be a very awesome swap for my s12, if I had the money.

[cortina-mk1]

seller wont ship international

[tyrannix]

anyone else have a rinkya account? .. i signed up twice, gave up on trying to communicate with them

edit> almost forgot, to those who dont know, you need a japanese bank account to get a yahoo japan auction account

[biosehnsucht]

I have a yahoo jp aution acct and don't have a bank acct there..

I just signed up w/ yahoo japan email and my login works there, at least to watch things and see things after they end (unlike ebay they become login-required after they end)

[Nismo_Freak]

I could get that engine.

[themadscientist]

A similarly built 1.8 or 1.9 would be better. The 2.0 is overkill.

[float_6969]

I've got to agree with TMS here. That long stroke would put a lot of extra stress on the main caps and rod caps. I like that the 1.8L is essentially square. (Mine is square with the new pistons) With that stroker kit, you'd loose some the "smoothness" of the revving of the motor. It's be a nice drag motor, outside of that, I'll stick with the CA with a nice turbo and wicked cams....

[boost_boy]

ok browsing Yahoo Japan Auction came across this:







hahahaha, ok now that you have stopped giggling too here are the parts i can make out from the parts list..

Although before purchased at the auction, since it did not use after all, it sends. In Tomei, since CA20 kit was put on the market for 290,000 yen those days, I think that it is very worthy. The pure part (except a water pump) of the 3rd photograph is also attached. Since parts are also attached in large numbers, I think that it is profit. I need your help by the no claim no return. CA18 ËÇ ->2, 0§¤ boa It is full CHUN. although it is head contents -- field correction polish, valve guide processing, a new article valve, valve sheet expansion, IN port polish, expansion, OUT port polish, expansion, and a high cam east name -- original 80 degree processing x2, a cam, RISESU processing, an east name strengthening valve spring, a pulsar, and the contents of an GTI-R strengthening valve RIFUTA (SIMM adjustment 驪¹ for GTI-R) block East name CA18 ËÇ -> 2, 0§¤ kit new article <<crank & piston & flywheel one-off (6 inch clutch 驪¹)>> KONRODDO (weight ùêªïª»), an oil pump new article

from that i can gather its a monster

http://nifty.amikai.com/amiweb...nifty

Here's a real life version of that minus stroking. Over $6000 of stuff sitting on a jackstand in the back of peformance shop. One day in the near future, it will go in it's new home

It will not have these cam gears come time for installation. I now have the Tomei adjustable cam gears which are a pretty tight looking as well as appearing to be very functional. I want my money back

Dee

[CA19DET]

it may have 6000 in parts in it, but no offence D, i would take the TOMEI built one anyday, even it it wasnt bored and stroked.. TOMEI like TODA has a great rep for building great crate motors. and with they attention to detial and precise machining, knowledge of parts etc, i would think there is allot more in this engine than jsut parts.. i think the headwork and GTiR valves, and porting etc is worht allot..

PS - i got the TOMEI gears too theya re hot.

PPS - whats in your motor thats worth over $6000 USD??

[boost_boy]

it may have 6000 in parts in it, but no offence D, i would take the TOMEI built one anyday, even it it wasnt bored and stroked.. TOMEI like TODA has a great rep for building great crate motors. and with they attention to detial and precise machining, knowledge of parts etc, i would think there is allot more in this engine than jsut parts.. i think the headwork and GTiR valves, and porting etc is worht allot..

PS - i got the TOMEI gears too theya re hot.

PPS - whats in your motor thats worth over $6000 USD??

Personally, I wouldn't buy anything from overseas that if something went wrong, I couldn't go back and argue about workmanship because no one is perfect. But Tomei's reputation is what it is and of course a little man on the block such as myself can never and will never try and upstage their quality. When I saw your cam gears, that's what made me get me a set. They are well made and look 10x more sturdy than the HKS new school pieces.

Okay, what's in my motor is only around $4000, but over $2000 in machine work is what makes me call this long block a $6000 work of art. Include in this engine is:

JUN Camshafts 272 intake w/10.5mm lift and 272 exhaust w/10.5mm lift

JUN racing valve springs

Jun Solid lifter kit

Titanium retainers

Head is meticulously machined so that the camshafts' lobes can clear the head.

Head is meticulously ported and polished

Valves are ground and reseated

Wiseco Pistons (stock bore)

Pauter Rods

Rotating assembly is balanced

Crank is polished

New oil pump

New water pump

New seals

Modified oil pan

New timing belt

Tomei Adjustable timing gears

NISMO 1.2mm headgasket

ARP headstuds

ARP mainstuds

What's sitting in garage:

MSD 95 lb/hr injectors

SDS engine management system

Custom sheetmetal intake manifold heavily polished

Custom fuel rail

Ford Mustang 73mm T-body (modified)

Adjustable fuel pressure regulator (not NISMO fpr)

Custom turbo manifold

HKS big wastegate

Blitz dual SBC boost controller

K-sport coilover kit with adjustable pillowball upper mounts

Brembo drilled and slottet rotors

Nissan Maxima brake booster

Custom rubber over stainless steel brake lines

NX2000 big brake set-up (new)

Nissan maxima gearbox with helical LSD

Custom CV axles

Walbro 255lph fuel pump

Vital Gauges

Custom strut tower brace

And a few other riceboy things that have consumed my hard-earned $$$s

Dee

[tyrannix]

looks like you can still get a tomei built engine... a new genesis crate stage 4 engine only goes for around $11,500 with the os giken twin plate clutch flywheel that it needs

only 11500

[silviadrifta]

can't wait till i move to japan this summer, so many goodies are gonna come back home with me

[slownslurious]

you know that **** is still real expensive in japan too right?

[Akihisa]

I would trade my left nut for that.

[tyrannix]

but HIGHLY available

..besides being able to just go to stores and get performance parts, the junkyards are goldmines there....

when a car wrecks, or anything, it just gets towed to the junkyard... the owner usually doesnt get to take anything back off of it. they just get money or whatever

so you can pickup almost brand new parts in junkyards... i wasnt even really junkyard active, and i came home with an easy $10,000 worth of parts, and i spent no more than $3500 on car stuff while i was there, and thats including the car and insurance

so its like i got a 60%+ discount just for living there (no ebay or middlemen for used stuff)

you know that **** is still real expensive in japan too right?

edit> killed double quote

[fraz]

You can see from the flywheel that it only has the ca20 6 bolt crank. In order to run this you need to run a modified timing belt pulley and run pretty short rods as its also a ca18 block.

I found this crank this morning in my travels Its a forged ca20 one with full counterweights, 8 bolt flywheel flange, de/det oil pump drive and large snout so it can run the de/det timing belt pulley.

[fraz]

top one is ca18de/det bottom is ca20

You can see below that it also fits under the crank girdle

[slownslurious]

well if you go junkyard diving in japan keep me in mind, I'm looking (still) for S15 hood hinges, S13 silvia trunk lock, S15 silvia headlights, S13 silvia headlight brackets.... I think thats it. I would also like an s15 silvia front bumper but I doubt you could ship that.

[tyrannix]

you want to sell that counterweighted crank?

You can see from the flywheel that it only has the ca20 6 bolt crank. In order to run this you need to run a modified timing belt pulley and run pretty short rods as its also a ca18 block.

I found this crank this morning in my travels Its a forged ca20 one with full counterweights, 8 bolt flywheel flange, de/det oil pump drive and large snout so it can run the de/det timing belt pulley.

[fraz]

Im not sure, i got it from a friend who used to be in a nismo backed rally team a few years ago.I get the impression that they made a few of these cranks for the ca18. At the moment i want to keep it, but im trying to get hold of another for a friend.You realise shipping would be pretty steep as im in new zealand and its pretty heavy.

[tyrannix]

yeah, it will cost a few pennies to ship that, but not prohibitively so,

email me? and we can talk some numbers [email protected]

[sideways danny]

You can see from the flywheel that it only has the ca20 6 bolt crank. In order to run this you need to run a modified timing belt pulley and run pretty short rods as its also a ca18 block.

the CA20 crank isn't the same as the Tomei kit though, it runs standard timing belt pulley. also the standard CA20 crank is pretty weak.

the tomei kit uses pistons with an altered gudgeon pin height rather than short rods

[niscort]

FWIW.. the yahoo engine went for the sum of 201,000yen / 1,750.00us / 2,320.00au