Thinking of importing a Rogue from the US into Canada?

[Barney]

Okay, regarding the immobilizers:

Here is the news alert from RIV on the subject:

http://www.riv.ca/english/html/news_alert.html

As to what the CMVSS 114 is all about, well try and decipher this!

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/par....html

The fact that it has an immobilizer should be enough, my best is that this is Nissan Canada scare tactics and nothing else.

[freshtunes]

Barney:

The Canada Gazette link is from 2005. Here's a more up to date link:

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/par....html

Note: "As noted previously, the Canadian safety standard would require most vehicles built for sale in Canada starting September 1, 2007, be equipped with an immobilization system. The U.S. safety standard does not require vehicles to be equipped with such systems nor does it provide for any performance requirements if vehicles are fitted with such systems."

If you read the full text, Canadian standards for the immobilizer are very high and I'm guessing the vehicles made for the US do not meet these standards.

Still....with all this being said, I'm suspicious of Nissan Canada and hoping in the next month or so things are cleared up.

[Msdarkdiva]

According to the Insurance Bureau of Canada:

"An immobilizer is an electronic device that arms automatically when your vehicle is switched off and prevents unauthorized starting of the vehicle. An immobilizer meeting the National Standard of Canada (CAN/ULC-S338-98) cuts three vital circuits: the starter, the ignition and the fuel. This makes it impossible for thieves to start your vehicle without the key."

http://www.ibc.ca/en/Insurance...x.asp

We know the Rogue has an immobilizer- does anyone know the specific type?

[Barney]

Note: The dealership that I've been talking to said that they will cover any warranty work and put this in writing.

Freshtunes - could you let me know which dealership it is? It would be great if you could email it to me (email under my profile). Are you using a Washington or Oregon dealer? You know there is no sales tax in Oregon.

Thanks!

[Barney]

I also just got off the phone with a local Nissan dealer in Vancouver and they would give a replacement 3 year warranty for $2700 + tax. Plus $1000 back if you don't make a warranty claim. Hmmm - it is almost tempting, but the price point seems a touch high.

The funniest thing is the rep that I spoke to there said they were thinking of doing the same thing - even Nissan Canada employees are realising what a joke this price gulf is!

[freshtunes]

Hey everyone.

I hate to drop the bad news, especially those that have already purchased a Rogue, but RIV update their website today and the 2008 Rogue is Inadmissible.

No point talking about warranty, compliance letter or recall letter. Cannot bring this car in...unless something changes on RIV.

sorryJesse

[mr_gump]

I don't see where you see this. I was on the RIV site and also checked out the inamissible vehicles and don't see what you are talking about. Can you post a link?

I talked to a Nissan sales person today from the States and confirmed with me the warranty is void. I am thinking pretty hard on getting one still. He never knew anything about being able to buy one in Canada, but that is interesting to hear from another poster that Nissan offers one for $2700.

Anyways look forward to hearing from any one that actually buys one... Anyone from BC going to Washington state for one? I am currently look for a dealer down there... Any suggestions?

[freshtunes]

Hello Mr. Grump

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety...S.pdf

scroll down to page 21 (Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles Manufactured after Sept 1, 2007). You may be looking at vehicles under "Passenger Cars" which does not apply for SUV's.

Note in the third column under "Inadmissible" and you'll see the 2008 Murano and 2008 Rogue.

One possible positive note: I was reading at another forum (Edmonds) that if you can prove that you put a deposit prior to the changes to this vehicle at RIV (I believe this is the past week) that you may be able to get a special case exemption. It's worth a try.

Note: I did get a quote in the high two thousands from Morrey Nissan in Burnaby, B.C. from the business office (I believe her name was Shelley) for third party warranty on a Rogue. 3 years/60,000km from Co-Operators and it had a 100% premium refund if you don't use. Seems like a good idea....if you can get the Rogue into Canada.

I'm starting to look at the Suburu Tribeca, which i know can get into Canada.

Jesse

[exeunt]

I'm currently talking to my dealership, and the service manager is looking into the issue. Apparently the Rogue does have an immobilizer, I mean the intelligent key itself is pretty much an immobilizer. He's going to look to see what the standards are and see if the Rogue meets them, but he can't see why it wouldn't.

In addition, as someone else noted, apparently RIV is issuing some exceptions to those who put down their deposits before a certain date. I've heard that date ranges between Nov 1 and Nov 6. I put mine down Nov 3rd, so I'm seriously nervous. However, I'm equally convinced that this is a bunch of BS and someone is pulling strings to make importing these vehicles more difficult.

In addition, you'll notice that all GM 2008 models are now listed as inadmissible, as well as several Toyota models as well.

More heresay from the Edmunds forums indicates that they may be issuing an update to the list in the next week or so, as they may have been too trigger happy with the inadmissibility gun, but I honestly don't know what to believe these days. All I know is I have $1000 down, a $24000 US bank draft in my hand, I've taken a day off work, booked friends to drive me down, and have a motel booked in Niagara Falls for the trip.

This Rogue is getting into Canada damnit!

[Msdarkdiva]

More heresay from the Edmunds forums indicates that they may be issuing an update to the list in the next week or so, as they may have been too trigger happy with the inadmissibility gun...

To facilitate the lurkers, here’s the Edmunds link:

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.c...c13/0

Note: this is a discussion about importing all makes of vehicles (not just the Rogue). Needless to say, you can narrow down the posts by searching for keywords in the discussion (like RIV, Nissan, CMVSS 114, etc.).

[mrdwighthanson]

I am a Nissan salesman from NH. I would love to help any of our cousins to the north in getting into the Nissan of thier choice at american prices. Reply to me and I will get back to you soonest. We have done several cross border deals in the last year.

[Barney]

This Rogue is getting into Canada damnit!

And we're all rooting for you! Good luck mate.

[lozen13]

So they must have just added this as it wasnt there. So they tell me yes and now its no. I already bought it?
Modified by lozen13 at 4:23 PM 11/7/2007

[lozen13]

Exeunt keep me posted as I am leaving on the 14th and I have paid in full.

Will Phone RIV tom to see about an exemption as I have a bill of sale for Nov 2nd

[exeunt]

Call the RIV and ask them for an exemption form. The person at RIV said I could just tell them that I'm getting an exemption and they'd be fine with it, but I'm obviously very nervous. If you can get an exemption form on paper, I'd love to see it.

[lozen13]

Lets both keep each other up to date on this. I wish it had a PM option.

I will be calling them first thing in the morning. So getting across the border no problem. The problem rests in getting it approved?

[exeunt]

Apparently someone else at my dealership bought a Rogue the day before me and attempted to take it across and was stopped at the border. I don't know the details, and don't know if they had an exemption, or even knew of one. I phoned and faxed the RIV and have requested an exemption letter. I received a verbal exemption, but I'm not sure how far that will fly with Canadian customs, so I'm trying to get a faxed written notice. Hopefully it will come through Thursday or Friday.
Modified by exeunt at 9:53 PM 11/7/2007

[lozen13]

Exeunt read section 5.4 it says only vehicles manufactured after Sept 1st 2007. There is a chance that it was manufactured prior to that date. Remember they came over on a slow boat from Japan

[exeunt]

LOL.. This is getting ridiculous.

They updated their list yet again. This time they took off the Murano and added two Infiniti SUVs:

2008 Nissan Rogue2008 Infiniti FX352008 Infiniti FX45

Perhaps if I wait another day or two the Rogue will be admissible again. What a load of BS!

[lozen13]

Ok Spoke RIV again and dropped a supervisors name. She says the Rogue was added on Nov 6th and any cars purcahsed prior to that are admissable

She says exemption Letters are not required and not being issued

[Msdarkdiva]

I was listening to a local radio station where they were discussing this issue of cars suddenly becoming inaccessible from the US into Canada.

They were speaking to George Iny, president of the Automobile Protection Agency (here in Canada) and someone who purchased a Honda Civic in the US and is now encountering problems. Mr. Iny stated that it’s actually the car manufacturers that make the list of inadmissible vehicles and passes it on to Transport Canada and not the other way around… So in this guy’s case, Honda is basically telling Transport Canada that it is not aware what type of anti-theft system is installed in its US vehicles- which, Mr. Iny believes, is a trumped up excuse since the Civic has been unchanged from last year (now as Canadians flock to the States- it’s being blocked from entry? hmm…)!

So basically, Honda is not saying that its immobilizer in the Civic does not meet Canadian specifications- what they are telling Transport Canada is that they cannot say if it does!

Nice eh?

[exeunt]

For those listening in, several of us have managed to find a loophole in this process. Rogues that have been manufactured before September 1st, 2007 are not barred by this new list. Have your dealers check their lots for these gems

Mine happens to be one of the lucky August babies, so I should be able to get through. Additionally, I purchased as of November 3rd, so I'll get mine in through one lucky hole or another.

[lozen13]

Mine is made in 09/2007 but I did get an exemption from RIV. They would not give me a letter but did create a file and gave me a reference #. In the maentime my Vegas dealer found same model same options on his lot that was manufactured in 08/2007 which isstill ok as it is any vehicle after 09/2007 that is the issue. So looks good for me too. Funny thing was the guy at RIV said same thing manufacturers are telling the government oh our vehicles are different. i sent an e-mail to mu MP and Finace minister

[Indiana Jones]

Wow, all this info is so overwhelming. I am from Alberta and put a deposit on a 2008 Rogue on Oct 28th at a dealership in Montana. From what I have read in this Forum, I understand I can get an exception as I initiated the deal prior the the Rogue showing up on RIVs inadmisable list. Where can I get this exception letter?

Another question. As Montana has no Rogues available on dealership lots, my sales guy had to factory order my vehicle from Japan (estimated delivery, 60-90 days). Given the order date, obviously my Rogue will be made after the Sep/01/07 date that everybody keeps talking about. What is the meaning/imoortance of this date??

Thanks, Kim

[exeunt]

I'd be a little nervous about that, as they seem to want to get all the "exemptions" across ASAP.

However, if you're really interested, you can invest $300 or so in an aftermarket immobilizer which will bring it up to spec. You have 45 days to do this after importing it.

[lozen13]

Indiana contact RIV and explain your case to them . I say start a file but you have no VIN. Have you paid in full or just put a deposit. You may have problems. Though I have a sneaky suspicion these lists will change dramatically in the next 30 days

[Indiana Jones]

Thanks Lozen. RIV just created a file for me. I explained to them that I have put down a $1000 deposit charged to my credit card which will prove date of verbal contract/intent, however, I have not signed anything at all. I also told RIV that due to my vehicle being a factory order from Japan, I will bring it across the border in January. He said it would be honoured. Should I take their word for it? He asked me if I would get my deposit back if I backed out of the deal and I said no, which is likely the truth. What do you think??

[Msdarkdiva]

As Montana has no Rogues available on dealership lots, my sales guy had to factory order my vehicle from Japan (estimated delivery, 60-90 days). Given the order date, obviously my Rogue will be made after the Sep/01/07 date that everybody keeps talking about.

I think this is a problem that a lot of us will be experiencing, finding that needle (the Rogue manufactured before Sept 1st), in a haystack. It seems common that dealerships never had the Rogue available on their lots and recent posts also seem to indicate that dealers now won't be receiving their Rogues until December, January, February, etc. with a manufacturing date after Sept 1st.

[Barney]

I think this is a problem that a lot of us will be experiencing, finding that needle (the Rogue manufactured before Sept 1st), in a haystack.

Yep, my dealer has found me five such models - if I can get a file opened with RIV that they promise they will let in a pre-Sept 1st 2008 Rogue, I will buy one of the five this morning - presuming someone else in my situation hasn't done exactly the same!

[Eikon]

I've been reading along with this thread, and I just can't contain myself anymore..

I have to post and compliment you folks on the awesome work you're doing and for sharing all this info on this thread.

It's incredible that you can save upwards of 10k for the same (if not better equipped) vehicle here in the US. With the price tag being higher in Canada and the value of the dollar also being higher North of the border... it really does make sense to pick one up down here in the states.

Nice work with the import investigations.. keep up the good work.

If there's anything I can do to help, let me know! I'll stop by the local Nissan dealer here in town and see what they have on the lot and check the production dates for you guys..

A question? Are the import and warranty regulations any different for used cars vs. new cars? Once the supply of pre- Sept. production vehicles dries up would it be possible for a person here in the US to purchase, then sell across the border to help out a Canadian who wants a Rogue from the US?