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http://www.examiner.com/finance-examine ... t=33589026

And for those of you to lazy to click the link...
Beginning in June of 2011, all new cars manufactured and sold in the United States will be required to have a mandated black box device installed, which can be used to monitor several different physical and technical data points.

On May 24th, a report on the new regulatations to be implemented by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) next month expands the program that in February was just in a consideration phase.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is expected to issue new regulations next month, that will require a black box style data recorder be fitted in all new cars.

Similar in concept to the familiar black boxes used in commercial aircraft for decades, the boxes are expected to record information about speed, seat belt use and brake application in the final seconds leading up to an accident, the data can be retrieved for later analysis. – Dvice.com

The installation and use of these black boxes can have infinite possibilities for local, state, and federal governments to monitor and record data for a number of other revenue programs that are currently under consideration. In March, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) issued a proposal to institute a tax on mileage to help pay for the federal budget deficit. Additionally, local cities and counties can download information from these black boxes, and they can be used to issue driving citations after the fact in the case of speeding or not wearing a seat belt.

While the concept of installing a black box in new automobiles has several good points in assisting law enforcement and emergency services as to the location and circumstances of an accident or road emergency, policies currently underway by many municipalities and states show that public safety personnel are now being used more as revenue collectors than as first responders to incidents as they occur.
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In addition, current mobile devices outside the automobile black box such as androids and tom-toms are being used by law enforcement to retrieve data on customer travel.

That’s a theoretical problem, a real problem is the fact that the data is being used to setup police revenue sources such as speed cameras. A Dutch firm has openly admitted that they use TomTom customer data to setup speed traps. So this anonymized data is actually being used to cost you money for something that isn’t actually dangerous as currently implemented (in other words speed limits aren’t actually a safety limit but an arbitrarily selected number). – blog.christopherburg.com

Selling the public on safety for new policies and provisions, while using the programs to create new revenue streams is becoming more the norm than simply isolated incidents. When the tax on cigarettes became enlarged under the guise of helping users stop the addiction, expanding the tax soon turned into the first concession by local legislatures when they needed new money for programs. Add to this, the creation of red-light and speed devices on local streets and highways to monitor safety quickly became massive revenue streams for municipalities.

With mandatory black boxes being installed in all new cars sold in the US starting next month, the public needs to be aware of the potential these devices can have as means to collect revenue for states and the federal government outside the reported use by the NHTSA as a safety device.

Continue reading on Examiner.com New car purchases starting in June will have a mandatory black box installed - National Finance Examiner | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/finance-examine ... z1OJhosFFf
Cliff Notes:
-Starting in this month, all new cars bought with have mandatory black boxes installed that the US Gov. wants to use to charge you a per mile tax to fund the deficit

-State and local municipalities can use the information to ticket you for any speeding or seat belt laws that break after the fact if you are pulled over.

-On the plus side the police can use the information figure out what happened during accidents and road emergencies.


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They shouldn't be able to record my speed, at all.

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Chaotic_Warlord wrote: -Starting in this month, all new cars bought with have mandatory black boxes installed that the US Gov. wants to use to charge you a per mile tax to fund the deficit

-On the plus side the police can use the information figure out what happened during accidents and road emergencies.
-The tax has been talked about forever. It is NOT included in this.

-Many cars have had black boxes since 1996:

EDRs record the following data:

Vehicle speed (five seconds before impact)
Engine speed (five seconds before impact)
Brake status (five seconds before impact)
Throttle position (five seconds before impact)
State of driver's seat belt switch (On/Off)
Passenger's airbag (On/Off)
IR Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Ignition cycle count at event time
Ignition cycle count at investigation
Maximum velocity for near-deployment event
Velocity vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum velocity
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within five seconds)

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Nothing I didn't predict years ago. You are surprised that government wants to stick its nose deeper into your life? Is that cash for clunkers program that created an artificial shortage of used cars starting to make more sense now? :poke:

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I wonder what the fine/penalty is for removing it...

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Chaotic_Warlord wrote:http://www.examiner.com/finance-examine ... t=33589026

And for those of you to lazy to click the link...
Beginning in June of 2011, all new cars manufactured and sold in the United States will be required to have a mandated black box device installed, which can be used to monitor several different physical and technical data points.

On May 24th, a report on the new regulatations to be implemented by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) next month expands the program that in February was just in a consideration phase.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is expected to issue new regulations next month, that will require a black box style data recorder be fitted in all new cars.

Similar in concept to the familiar black boxes used in commercial aircraft for decades, the boxes are expected to record information about speed, seat belt use and brake application in the final seconds leading up to an accident, the data can be retrieved for later analysis. – Dvice.com

The installation and use of these black boxes can have infinite possibilities for local, state, and federal governments to monitor and record data for a number of other revenue programs that are currently under consideration. In March, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) issued a proposal to institute a tax on mileage to help pay for the federal budget deficit. Additionally, local cities and counties can download information from these black boxes, and they can be used to issue driving citations after the fact in the case of speeding or not wearing a seat belt.

While the concept of installing a black box in new automobiles has several good points in assisting law enforcement and emergency services as to the location and circumstances of an accident or road emergency, policies currently underway by many municipalities and states show that public safety personnel are now being used more as revenue collectors than as first responders to incidents as they occur.
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In addition, current mobile devices outside the automobile black box such as androids and tom-toms are being used by law enforcement to retrieve data on customer travel.

That’s a theoretical problem, a real problem is the fact that the data is being used to setup police revenue sources such as speed cameras. A Dutch firm has openly admitted that they use TomTom customer data to setup speed traps. So this anonymized data is actually being used to cost you money for something that isn’t actually dangerous as currently implemented (in other words speed limits aren’t actually a safety limit but an arbitrarily selected number). – blog.christopherburg.com

Selling the public on safety for new policies and provisions, while using the programs to create new revenue streams is becoming more the norm than simply isolated incidents. When the tax on cigarettes became enlarged under the guise of helping users stop the addiction, expanding the tax soon turned into the first concession by local legislatures when they needed new money for programs. Add to this, the creation of red-light and speed devices on local streets and highways to monitor safety quickly became massive revenue streams for municipalities.

With mandatory black boxes being installed in all new cars sold in the US starting next month, the public needs to be aware of the potential these devices can have as means to collect revenue for states and the federal government outside the reported use by the NHTSA as a safety device.

Continue reading on Examiner.com New car purchases starting in June will have a mandatory black box installed - National Finance Examiner | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/finance-examine ... z1OJhosFFf
Cliff Notes:
-Starting in this month, all new cars bought with have mandatory black boxes installed that the US Gov. wants to use to charge you a per mile tax to fund the deficit

-State and local municipalities can use the information to ticket you for any speeding or seat belt laws that break after the fact if you are pulled over.
You realize the same scare tactics were floated about EZPass when it first came out? That is to have a computer calculate your speed between your entry/exit points based on elapsed time and then mail you speeding tickets, or to charge highway usage fees to "reduce the deficit". Shockingly, that hasn't happened after several years of EZPass.

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That's cool...I don't want any new cars anyway.

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I've actually already heard about this, but I didn't know they were considering putting a "mileage tax." Seems counter-intuitive for the bad economy to charge people to who commute to work.

Another reason why the next car I buy won't be brand new.

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krimsonviper wrote:I've actually already heard about this, but I didn't know they were considering putting a "mileage tax." Seems counter-intuitive for the bad economy to charge people to who commute to work.

Another reason why the next car I buy won't be brand new.
If any of you guys seriously think our government is actually planning to prey on just new car owners and nail only them with a black box calculated mileage tax, I have a bridge to sell you in NY.

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Which one of the 2027 are you selling? Lmk

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Bubba1 wrote:
krimsonviper wrote:I've actually already heard about this, but I didn't know they were considering putting a "mileage tax." Seems counter-intuitive for the bad economy to charge people to who commute to work.

Another reason why the next car I buy won't be brand new.
If any of you guys seriously think our government is actually planning to prey on just new car owners and nail only them with a black box calculated mileage tax, I have a bridge to sell you in NY.
Not planning, but considering, yes.

I'll take that pile of sticks you call a bridge for about tree fiddy.

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Dittoz7 wrote:Which one of the 2027 are you selling? Lmk
The Brooklyn Bridge. Still in decent shape.
krimsonviper wrote:Not planning, but considering, yes.

I'll take that pile of sticks you call a bridge for about tree fiddy.
Sold! :bigthumb:

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It's mandatory installation for cars "manufactured and sold in US", what about the manufactured in Japan or Germany and sold in US?

How much more will cost to the car buyer such an implementation? Will the black box be used solely for accident investigations?

Removing it from my car will increase my insurance policy? Removing it from my car will mess up its computer system?

You can trick the dumb device just by connecting the seat belt lose by itself and you keep be free to play and even dance sitting inside the vehicle, and in case of an accident the black box will show only that you were wearing the seat belt, something that was not true....because your body will be found glued to the windshield...

Face it, "democracy" is not working anymore, the authorities won't listen the people, and the famous words "we the people" have been changed by "we the government"... black box...ha ha ha... I bet you will even have the chance to choose a different color of box... cool...

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carloslebaron wrote:
It's mandatory installation for cars "manufactured and sold in US", what about the manufactured in Japan or Germany and sold in US?

How much more will cost to the car buyer such an implementation? Will the black box be used solely for accident investigations?

Removing it from my car will increase my insurance policy? Removing it from my car will mess up its computer system?

You can trick the dumb device just by connecting the seat belt lose by itself and you keep be free to play and even dance sitting inside the vehicle, and in case of an accident the black box will show only that you were wearing the seat belt, something that was not true....because your body will be found glued to the windshield...

Face it, "democracy" is not working anymore, the authorities won't listen the people, and the famous words "we the people" have been changed by "we the government"... black box...ha ha ha... I bet you will even have the chance to choose a different color of box... cool...
If you want to know what's really driving this, it's more about litigation/recall prevention than a rampant government. Think about it. With a black box, you will likely see fewer media fanned lawsuits like what Audi and Toyota went thru. In both cases, it was determined later that the primary cause was driver error. The black boxes would make that determination quicker and easier.

Face it, we live in a lawsuit crazed society, and there are costs associated with that behavior.

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Then they come for us anarchists with clutches and roll up windows. Soon life will be downloaded into babies brains and then they will be euthanized. It's better that way. People can't be trusted with the keys to their own lives; government can help. :rolleyes:

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themadscientist wrote:It's better that way. People can't be trusted with the keys to their own lives; government can help. :rolleyes:
Almost that simple, but it isn't just their lives. It's also the lives of other people that are affected too.

Government mingling in peoples lives always scary business. A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. -Thomas Jefferson

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Bubba1 wrote:You realize the same scare tactics were floated about EZPass when it first came out? That is to have a computer calculate your speed between your entry/exit points based on elapsed time and then mail you speeding tickets, or to charge highway usage fees to "reduce the deficit". Shockingly, that hasn't happened after several years of EZPass.
i never go under 35 when going through ezpass (and have yet to get any citation)...lol

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Bubba1 wrote:
krimsonviper wrote:Not planning, but considering, yes.

I'll take that pile of sticks you call a bridge for about tree fiddy.
Sold! :bigthumb:
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Now gimme my bridge! :argh

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Don't trust him he dat damned loch ness monsta!

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Didn't someone actually buy the Brooklyn Bridge and move it out to Lake Havasu? I could have sworn I read that somewhere, that it's sitting next to the London Bridge or something like that.

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Chaotic_Warlord wrote:Didn't someone actually buy the Brooklyn Bridge and move it out to Lake Havasu? I could have sworn I read that somewhere, that it's sitting next to the London Bridge or something like that.
No. While I'm sure several gullible dopes have purchased the Brooklyn Bridge over the years, it's still sitting where it was built. The bridge you're thinking about is London Bridge (London England) which was sold to an American in the 1960's dismantled, shipped then reassembled in Lake Havasu City AZ as a tourist attraction.


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