The sun was shining and I took some pics... and the rebadging debate...

[Beancooker]

Moderators: Please remove me from membership, or what ever you need to do to delete my ID.

After thinking this all over while I ate dinner, I am glad to grant your wish.

We have plenty of trolls in General Chat and 240 gen. No need for another one here.

Sorry Sean, but he wants gone, fine by me. He was so close to a ban anyways, one more thread about badges, test pipes or clear outs, and he'd have spewed more negativity, and been sent packing anyways. Why prolong the inevitable.

[Slider4105]

Okay so what you've done may not necessarily be a "troll" but it sure sounds a lot like this :

flame bait - An intentionally inflammatory posting in a newsgroup or discussion group, designed to elicit a strong reaction(I like dictionaries)

You said your side, everyone else replied and answered your questions as to why people do it, and you continued to poke and prod.

Besides other people were on your side of, "not normally a fan but it looks good" like SVT and Teflon......but they didn't get into a huge to-do about it, and no one is giving them trouble for having a differing opinion.

So this means your statement

The fact is you cannot stand opinions that don’t fit into the general mod-happy mold so you attack by calling names.

is null and void..........

[WDRacing]

I don’t need to be here at all. I’m really tired of being called names, in this case a troll. The fact is you cannot stand opinions that don’t fit into the general mod-happy mold so you attack by calling names. I don’t belong here. I guess I’m just too old and conservative for you kids, and I certainly don’t need to take any more of your crap. I quit.

Moderators: Please remove me from membership, or what ever you need to do to delete my ID.

Goodbye and good riddance Perhaps now people can feel free to express things that differ from your point of view without worrying about you coming along and constantly ruining threads with your needless negativity.

I think I'm gonna start a new thread about test pipes, body kits and multi colored paint schemes in your honor

WD

[rn79870]

If any of you feel that a person is a troll, the appropriate way to handle it is simply DNFTT. That's simple internet 101A. If you don't know what DNFTT is, google it.

Otherwise, all some of you have done is helped create an unsanitation problem in a member's thread. And leave the comments to Wizzer, Joe, Beano,r and Brian. The Mod Quad can handle it.

Sorry Mod Quad, I had to say it.

[WDRacing]

"Mod Quad"

[joe603]

Damn Beaner...someone is always giving you ****!

First, I like the debadged look, when done properly as you have started. Personally, I like the "Infiniti" look...It's our American version of the Japanese Skyline (even though they're similar to the camaro/firebird pair).

Make sure to pick up a pair of clear corners to make it pop even more!

Next, Magellan...I agree with the other mods. This is an internet forum and the accepted practice when you don't agree with someone or something is to debate, not flame. But, stuff happens, and we lose our cool from time to time...no big deal. I really hope you don't leave the resources of NICO due to an argument in one thread! Oh and you'll have to ignore Brian (WDRacing) he was born to start **** with people! If you can get past his abrasiveness, he's a good guy with decent ideas.

[WDRacing]

I didn't say anything abrasive Joe

The point I was trying to make is that ALL threads don't need to be a debate. In fact, if you don't like something say it once...then STFU about it. In fact, you don't even NEED to say anything at all because it detracts from the quality of the thread in general. There isn't any need to debate anything when Beanor's car is what we're discussing. The thoughts on this were expressed clearly and concisely...so why keep on with the BS? Easy, the dude is a troll and upon review 80% of his posts are in some form expressing negative views. Not just once, but over and over. You can't blame the members for taking the bait either. The answer is simple, control the problem for the betterment of the group.

Negative nanny's need to keep there opinions to themselves. Debate in threads designed to be debates and quit pissing in everyone's Cheerio's otherwise. No one appreciates being told something they worked hard on sucks.

WD

[Beancooker]

Joe, clear corners are being picked up after work today.

EVERYONE, including Brian and myself were polite and non abrasive.

Magellan wanted to be a troll, and he got what he deserved. He crys about people attacking him, for being a troll.

The straw that broke this camels back, is that he admitted that he is premeditated in his trolling, "waiting like a spider..."

He's selling bulls**t, and I'm not buying. I'm all stocked up here.

[rn79870]

I think Joe's point is that there is 2 sides to every coin. And that there are times when we need to look at the other side. I agree with that (obviously).

However, when you are discussing a members car, a members girlfriend, or pictures of his family, it probably is poor form to post at all if you don't have anything good to say. In fact, that's beyond poor form, it's offensive to everyone. I hate reading through train wrecks too.

Maybe this is what you were saying, I dunno...

[AZhitman]

I don’t need to be here at all. I’m really tired of being called names, in this case a troll. The fact is you cannot stand opinions that don’t fit into the general mod-happy mold so you attack by calling names. I don’t belong here. I guess I’m just too old and conservative for you kids, and I certainly don’t need to take any more of your crap. I quit.

Moderators: Please remove me from membership, or what ever you need to do to delete my ID.

What does "old and conservative" have to do with anything?

I think you meant "boring, with an arse full of sticks".

I'm "old" compared to most of the membership here, and VERY conservative.

But I don't own a single car (all 10) that's not heavily modified (or in the process of being modified).

I'll use your own post to make this clear as a bell for you:

The fact is I cannot stand opinions that don’t fit into the general "cars are only transportation" mold so I attack by calling names. I don’t belong here.

[WDRacing]

I think Joe's point is that there is 2 sides to every coin. And that there are times when we need to look at the other side. I agree with that (obviously).

However, when you are discussing a members car, a members girlfriend, or pictures of his family, it probably is poor form to post at all if you don't have anything good to say. In fact, that's beyond poor form, it's offensive to everyone. I hate reading through train wrecks too.

Maybe this is what you were saying, I dunno...

I agree 100% Bob. Everything has several sides and various points of view. I also don't mind if someone has a negative opinion about mine or anyone elses stuff. This is a car forum and we should all expect to hear and see both positive and negative comments alike. However, if you're going to offer something negative you don't have to do so in an offensive manner. A simple, I liked your car better before you rebadged it would have covered his opinion. He didn't have to say it was "underbadged" or anything more then saying he simply didn't like it. The fact that he went on and on voicing the same negative view, and in an offensive manner IMO, goes beyond the simple offering of opinion and into the realm of thread crapping.

Everything I said came from the heart. If people would simply be slightly less negative the world as a whole would be a better place. If Magellan would have said his piece once and in a manner that wasn't obviously meant to be offensive then this thread would have never had turned into a debate at all. The fact that Noah re-titled it speaks volumes of how far off track it went.

Look at the first page, you'll see another member made a single line post that voiced his opinion about the car being rebadged. Nothing bad came of it because it wasn't meant to cause tension. Or when I told CYO in his thread that his green calipers looked gay but I loved the rest of the car. Nothing bad came from it. It's all about how you communicate with others.

In this case Magellan was clearly causing trouble for the sake of causing trouble and I for one will never regret seeing someone who never has anything good to say leave Nico.

WD

[AZhitman]

I was thinking of posting a thread asking him why he wears his pants up under his armpits.

Hey, fair is fair.

[Beancooker]

The fact is I cannot stand opinions that don’t fit into the general "cars are only transportation" mold so I attack by calling names. I don’t belong here.

I was thinking of posting a thread asking him why he wears his pants up under his armpits.

Hey, fair is fair.

Greg, you PWN

[ArizonaG35]

I've kind of just lurked on this thread for a couple days to see what transpired, but I'd like to throw my $.02 in now...

First off Beanor, the car looks amazing... taking pride in your car is the foundation of this forum. We are all here for good natured conversation and general knowledge about the cars for which we are passionate. This may be where our problem lies... Ever since the first horseless carriage rolled off the line, man has had a passion for his automobile. There are some of us in the world that take our passion for cars a bit too personally and allow ourselves to become too emotionally attached to the car of our choice. Never has a product influenced so many as the car. Many liken a man's relationship with his car to his relationship with a lover.

We all need to remember that what you do with your car is your choice and what another man chooses to do to his car is HIS perogative. I'm not saying that we need to censor ourselves so that we limit ourselves to happy shiny comments, but we need to be cognisant of offensive comments when addressing another persons personal choices.

I pride myself on being an ambassador of communication, however, I sometimes say things that are offensive and off color to others. If I ever do this, then i'm sure one of you will be there to put me in my place and keep me in check. I don't think this is a valid reason for quitting the forum though... everyone deserves an opportunity to redeem themselves. I say that if Magellan's sole purpose here was to instigate negativity, then be gone with him. However, if he so chooses to continue participating with valuable and supportive input, then we should all give him another chance to redeem himself. Either way, I support the decision of the "Mod quad"

Dave

[telcoman]

Well, you did mention hanging out on the wall like an angry spider waiting to pounce......not sure if that's the definition of a troll, but might be close.

Hate to see you go, but sounds like you don't appreciate the other views here either.

How much is a badge from a 1958 Ford worth?Just curious?

[rn79870]

How much is a badge from a 1958 Ford worth?Just curious?

If you've got to ask, you can't afford it.

[brizanden]

sry just messin.
Modified by brizanden at 2:23 PM 5/19/2008

[Beancooker]

However, if he so chooses to continue participating with valuable and supportive input, then we should all give him another chance to redeem himself.

Too late, I gave him many occasions to STFU. Then he came back and said the "spider on the wall..." comment. That's premeditated trolling. Not to mention that 90% of what he has posted that I have read, was either negative, provocative, or just plain trolling.

Magellan has been banned permanently.

Brian, Joe, Sean,When I get home tonight, I will be cleaning up some of this thread. I will leave all of the debate for future reference. I would prefer if you let me cleanse the BS, because there are a few statements made that I would like to keep.

[Sentientbydesign]

Beanor,

Car looks great. I'm glad you posted pix. It served a great personal purpose for me. I've figured out what I don't care for about the rebadge.

The Skyline, 350GT are minimalistic and clean, but the Nissan logo is what sets me off.

Disclaimer, I'm happy that you're happy with your car. This is just my POV.

The Infiniti Logo is a brand. It is a recognition symbol that doesn't need a company name to make it recognizable. The Nissan logo require "NISSAN" in order to be a logo. Without it, it's just a chrome circle.

I'd rebadge to "Skyline" and 350GT, if it weren't for the fact that I'd get flamed on here and in person for it.

The only aspect of "The Troll's" argument that I have to support is that having an Infiniti assures the owner and those "in-the-know" that the car is 100% quality Japanese.

Having a USDM Nissan means that the car was engineered in Japan and partially or mostly built here in the US. Though I'm am very patriotic, my feeling towards US car building is right there next to my opinion of FURDs.

Hopefully my opinion will be taken as intended and not as support of the "Banned Troll"

BTW, who the F*&$ said "wisdom comes with age"?

There are plenty wise youngsters and plenty dum A$$ old people!

[Beancooker]

Thanks, glad you think it looks great, but feel free to dislike it. You don't have to like it... let's just not make a 2 page debate out of it. LOL.

I know you're not supporting prune ****, I've put up with your crap long enough to know you poke fun, and are free spirited, but not a ***hole.

I agree with you to a point about the fact that Infiniti shows that it is made in Japan, and 0% US parts/labor. But those "in the know" that will know that, also know that it's a rebadge when they see the "Skyline" emblem, and then also know that it was made in Jqapan 0% US parts/labor.

Whoever said wisdom comes with age, never met my grand dad. He was a miserable, mean, stupid geezer. Much like Magellan.

Oh, thanks for your support in the post you deleted.

[SVTCOBRA]

QUOTE=telcoman]

How much is a badge from a 1958 Ford worth?Just curious?[/QUOTE]

TelcomanThe mustang was badged as a T5 in europe....I know you'll go google it, so I'll leave the details to you to find. My neighbor had one.

Beaner, I'm liking re-badging the more I see it!! Maybe I'll do one of the sedans.

[Beancooker]

Beaner, I'm liking re-badging the more I see it!! Maybe I'll do one of the sedans.

Nice, if you decide to, let me know. I scored a great deal from the guys at nismoparts.com. It's the Olympia/Tacoma Nissan dealership's site, and since I picked them up, they cut a good deal (-10% the internet price). Their shipping of $9.95 per item is outrageous also. I can ship all the badging for about $3.00

[Sentientbydesign]

Oh, thanks for your support in the post you deleted.

Was this directed towards me? I'm so active on here I can't remember what I've created or deleted.

[Beancooker]

Yeah, but you deleted it before I could quote it.

[lucidd]

Cool! Nicely done... -Everything looks stock, andI love a clean shiny detailed car.

Just for my info... How does your G handle with the different tire type from front to back? I've always wanted to do this, but Tirerack warned me the last time I tried to do this and then I ended up changing the order to conform all 4 tires.

The fronts look like Yoko ES100's and the backs are the new BF all seasons [hope I'm right ]... which sounds like a good mix of all season capabilities and high performance and good tread wear.

L

[lucidd]

ps. The exhause looks awesome.

I have the 07sedan and would love to have that stainless steel / larger exiting pipes --- but may I ask how much? - and also how much louder does it get? -I'm sure it sounds great - L

[WDRacing]

All sorts of performance designed cars have run different sized tires on the front and back for generations. Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette on down the line have different width and different wim size.

I was reading something about the factory tire height needing to be maintained or you'd have some kind of problem with one of the ride systems. But I'm not up to speed there. Width however shouldn't be an issue. More tire = more traction

[Beancooker]

Yeah, the car handles fine. Make sure you use the tire size calculator to get the correct size.

As far as the exhaust, it was $1100. and I had to install it myself. Quieter at idle and freeway, but screams at WOT.

Here's the thread about the install, and there is a sound clip it that thread.

http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread/331127

[Sentientbydesign]

Cool! Nicely done... -Everything looks stock, andI love a clean shiny detailed car.

Just for my info... How does your G handle with the different tire type from front to back? I've always wanted to do this, but Tirerack warned me the last time I tried to do this and then I ended up changing the order to conform all 4 tires.

The fronts look like Yoko ES100's and the backs are the new BF all seasons [hope I'm right ]... which sounds like a good mix of all season capabilities and high performance and good tread wear.

L

I'm also running different tires front to back (different brands). I haven't had a problem, I think it would only affect the G35X because of the AWD. Even then, you would probably be ok.

I think I'm going to burn through these Ventus K104s so I can mount some nicer tires.

[RED_DET]

Rice, Rice, Baby!!