The Secret Iraq Files

[RCA]

Part 1
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU718vXkrwY[/youtube]


Part 2
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QMQKcVCJxs[/youtube]


Well done documentary discussing what is going on and what the 400,000 pages of the biggest leak of military secrets ever.

Some scenes are graphic but nothing outlandish.

[OriginalWheelman]

I gave up watching after the first half hour because they way they string things together is such a way as to make it seem worse than it is. They talk to the Pentagon about soldiers reports of evidence of torture, not eyewitness accounts, and the pentagon says policy is to report and send reports to the Iraqis to deal with. This sounds like a reasonable policy. They then immediately talk to someone from London about what the soldiers should do and all he talks about are what soldiers should do if they WITNESS torture, and how the soldiers are obligated to stop it. This is just one example of the deceptive way this is put together. I'm not going to waste my time watching the rest of it since I'm sure they will continue to string things together like that.

[Chaotic_Warlord]

Propaganda by and for all the anti-establishment puppets running around. Not gonna watch it, and you guys who believe this crap can call me a war mongerer and a puppet of the system in denial, I can accept that, it's far better than being hypocrite hippie.

[RCA]

I gave up watching after the first half hour because they way they string things together is such a way as to make it seem worse than it is. They talk to the Pentagon about soldiers reports of evidence of torture, not eyewitness accounts, and the pentagon says policy is to report and send reports to the Iraqis to deal with. This sounds like a reasonable policy. They then immediately talk to someone from London about what the soldiers should do and all he talks about are what soldiers should do if they WITNESS torture, and how the soldiers are obligated to stop it. This is just one example of the deceptive way this is put together. I'm not going to waste my time watching the rest of it since I'm sure they will continue to string things together like that.

Why does it matter how "they were stringing things together to make it seem worse than it is"? They went through the 400,000 files and they are reporting on it. I watched with a grain of salt. The issues reported weren't based on a ratio, so for instance, 50% of the coverage isn't roadside IED's because 50% of the documents are IED controversies. They covered the least controversial to the most controversial. At the end of Part 1 and Part 2 things get a little upsetting. I just watched this so I can get a understanding about what is going on in the files. I am not as worried about the torture as I am about Blackwater. But again I take these things with a grain of salt and put my interpretation on it instead of what point Al Jazeera is trying to get across. They are an Arabic-language news network so one could expect that they put add a certain bias to it, but for the most part I felt that it was well done.

Propaganda by and for all the anti-establishment puppets running around. Not gonna watch it, and you guys who believe this crap can call me a war mongerer and a puppet of the system in denial, I can accept that, it's far better than being hypocrite hippie.

True, you're just going to read the documents yourself and make a judgement. When discussing a topic I like to listen to many people's opinions and so I can grasp as many ideas from all parties as possible; I have listened to the government's take and the media's take and it was sad because that is what most America's will see. You close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA". I'll accept any one's view points as long as they are backed up by facts. Give it a try, or just ignore everything.

[OriginalWheelman]

Why does it matter how "they were stringing things together to make it seem worse than it is"? They went through the 400,000 files and they are reporting on it. I watched with a grain of salt. The issues reported weren't based on a ratio, so for instance, 50% of the coverage isn't roadside IED's because 50% of the documents are IED controversies. They covered the least controversial to the most controversial. At the end of Part 1 and Part 2 things get a little upsetting. I just watched this so I can get a understanding about what is going on in the files. I am not as worried about the torture as I am about Blackwater. But again I take these things with a grain of salt and put my interpretation on it instead of what point Al Jazeera is trying to get across. They are an Arabic-language news network so one could expect that they put add a certain bias to it, but for the most part I felt that it was well done.

It matters because the source is obviously bias. That means they will leave out things that make their target viewpoint look bad, and focus on things that make it look right. I couldn't take the one "reporter" seriously when he threw away the soldiers report without finishing reading it because ti didn't line up with what eyewitnesses had told him. If he were as serious a journalist as they claimed, he would know that eyewitness reports are often different. But for him to throw it away half way through without finishing reading it because it didn't tell the story he wanted to hear, was ridiculous. They are just trying to make the US look bad, and I refuse to sit here and watch propaganda stretching the truth.

[RCA]

It matters because the source is obviously bias. That means they will leave out things that make their target viewpoint look bad, and focus on things that make it look right. I couldn't take the one "reporter" seriously when he threw away the soldiers report without finishing reading it because ti didn't line up with what eyewitnesses had told him. If he were as serious a journalist as they claimed, he would know that eyewitness reports are often different. But for him to throw it away half way through without finishing reading it because it didn't tell the story he wanted to hear, was ridiculous. They are just trying to make the US look bad, and I refuse to sit here and watch propaganda stretching the truth.

Ahh, I see.

I can agree with that; what time frame in the video does this occur?

[OriginalWheelman]

It's the guy that is pictured on the still of the first video. I don't remember the time stamp but it was around the 25-30 minute mark. That was what made me turn it off.

[ILOVESILVIA(S13)]

Our "government" makes me LOL!! I'm going to take a dump now, later.

[Chaotic_Warlord]

Propaganda by and for all the anti-establishment puppets running around. Not gonna watch it, and you guys who believe this crap can call me a war mongerer and a puppet of the system in denial, I can accept that, it's far better than being hypocrite hippie.

True, you're just going to read the documents yourself and make a judgement. When discussing a topic I like to listen to many people's opinions and so I can grasp as many ideas from all parties as possible; I have listened to the government's take and the media's take and it was sad because that is what most America's will see. You close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and scream "LA LA LA LA". I'll accept any one's view points as long as they are backed up by facts. Give it a try, or just ignore everything.

I'm not closing my eyes and ignoring everything. I served in the Army during Bosnia and the fallout of Somalia and Desert Storm, I know how the government work, about all the red tape, about the lies and cover ups to "protect" the civilians and about the BS that the troops are fed and the bad intel that we had to deal with on a regular. My issue is that between the media's spin on events and press statements, and the crap that all the anti-establishment retards and conspiracy theorists spit out along with the sheep that follow anything that that either of those and the sentiment of the general public who just jump to conclusions piss me off. Everyone is quick to judge based on partial intel. Getting every side of the story is fine, but unless you're actually involved in some aspect or know from experience how the story comes together you can't really say you have the full story. Hearsay and rhetoric is does not make any opinion legit.