well guys it may happen in 24 hours , guy that lives 2 doors down from me got me a deal on a mint 87 fiero GT :
http://www.autotrader.com/find...st=22
the car is the one above , tradeing even for my caddy , the caddy has been a good soldier but the revrend always wanted a 87-88 fiero gt and the revrend will finally have one , it is a automatic but for this car id rather have it that way as a clutch job on a mid engine car would be a nightmare , it has the 2.8v6 sunroof and alot of other gooides but it is no cadillac , but it does handle like a go cart ....
it is alot diffrent than a MR2 and i didnt thinkt hey were that far apart drivging wise , the fiero doesnt have the same "connected to the road" feel as the mr2 but is still a hoot to drive
but before i do this id would like some feedback from you guys on it as it will delay if not cancell all plans for the next G20 as i would sell my turbo kit and all the other goodies i have laying around for a g20 and forget all about another G , there will be another nissan in my stable eventaulyy but im not sure when as this car will be getting all my attention so i can get it ready to take to car shows and autocross meets
The Revrends New Pulpit -87 Fiero GT
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Dude.
The MR-2 vs. a Fiero? I'd take a 150K MR-2 over a low-mileage fiero anyday, and pay someone else to do the real hard work.
Stoney, that thing is a dash fire (or engine fire) waiting to happen. Multiple issues with electronic components going south, and the transmission in that thing is miserable. Keep in mind, the fiero was not a "purpose built" car but rather an amalgam of several parts from the GM warehouse parts bins.
Now, if you were gonna do the 455 Pontiac swap I'd be on board (drove one, loved it). Do what you want, but you'll hate that thing within a month.
Why not sell the Caddidliac outright and use the moolah for a japanese car? Reliability, man - Reliability.
The MR-2 vs. a Fiero? I'd take a 150K MR-2 over a low-mileage fiero anyday, and pay someone else to do the real hard work.
Stoney, that thing is a dash fire (or engine fire) waiting to happen. Multiple issues with electronic components going south, and the transmission in that thing is miserable. Keep in mind, the fiero was not a "purpose built" car but rather an amalgam of several parts from the GM warehouse parts bins.
Now, if you were gonna do the 455 Pontiac swap I'd be on board (drove one, loved it). Do what you want, but you'll hate that thing within a month.
Why not sell the Caddidliac outright and use the moolah for a japanese car? Reliability, man - Reliability.
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I am not a fan of fiero's either. The mr2 on the other hand now I'd glady accept an 89 4agze powered mr2. Also The 2.8 is by far one of the worst engines chevey has ever created. Weak power, horid duribility, and the chevy auto is a pitiful sight as well. I have owned 2 2.8 powered chevys they are sad very sad engines. If nothing else swap it out for a 3.8 at least. Just my thoughts.
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Hope you feel encouraged stoney 
No, actually I dont. I am also afraid that you will think this was a bad decision pretty soon. When the car's newness and funness wears off and it starts becoming troublesome, you are going to kick yourself. Think of which car you could sell for more outright; the caddy or the Fiero. Then, get that car, put it up for sale and drive it until you sell it. Then get a dam G. You belong in one and you know it.
No, actually I dont. I am also afraid that you will think this was a bad decision pretty soon. When the car's newness and funness wears off and it starts becoming troublesome, you are going to kick yourself. Think of which car you could sell for more outright; the caddy or the Fiero. Then, get that car, put it up for sale and drive it until you sell it. Then get a dam G. You belong in one and you know it.
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yah im still a g20 fan , still drool all over them and miss it every day but i dunno ive wanted a fiero for a long time and from amoney stand point i can get more money out of the fiero so if it does turn out to be a heep then off it will go
the fires do scare me alot , i remeber all the fire recalls on them , im pretty familair with them and there quirks , from the chevette front suspension to the complete drivetrain taken from the original chevy citation x-11 , but ill give it a chance to prove itself
ill probably get it and keep it for a few months and if things dont pan out ill do the right thing and pick up a clean used G as there is NO nx2000s around here in decent shape , a clean nx2000 is much harder to find than a g and all the 91-93 SERs are all used up or beaten sensless by some kid that didnt know how to take care of it
im still on the fence tho , i have 2 days to decide what i want to do and i appricate all the comments , as i can go either way on keeping the caddy or getting the firetrap
side note : there were more cases of fires on fireos then there was on pintos , i must have lost it at this point
the fires do scare me alot , i remeber all the fire recalls on them , im pretty familair with them and there quirks , from the chevette front suspension to the complete drivetrain taken from the original chevy citation x-11 , but ill give it a chance to prove itself
ill probably get it and keep it for a few months and if things dont pan out ill do the right thing and pick up a clean used G as there is NO nx2000s around here in decent shape , a clean nx2000 is much harder to find than a g and all the 91-93 SERs are all used up or beaten sensless by some kid that didnt know how to take care of it
im still on the fence tho , i have 2 days to decide what i want to do and i appricate all the comments , as i can go either way on keeping the caddy or getting the firetrap
side note : there were more cases of fires on fireos then there was on pintos , i must have lost it at this point
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Altiman94 wrote:I'd rather have a classic se-r than a g20 anyday. I'm not a huge fan of any infiniti vehicles. I've driven a few se-r's and I must say they are fun. They are no luxary car by any means, but they are fun as all get out to drive.
Obviously you've not driven many. My Civic Si would run alongside an SE-R. :rolleyes
That's like saying, "I really don't like supermodels - I think fat ugly chicks are so much more fun."
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your civic SI would run with an SE-R? must have been a tired SE-R or an auto. I've got a 93 SE-R, and I destroy honda products on a daily basis. as well as other nissan products and a slew of GM v6 FWD powered crap. MMMMmm berettas are good for dinner.
on the Fiero note, oh my god. do those suck. A roommate was into those at one point. helped him with 3 engine swaps. first was a camaro 3.4L V6. its easy, all you need is a template for the starter mounts and you just dress it with all the 2.8 stock manifolds. big increase in torque, about the same HP. My SOHC powered '89 coupe could keep up with him, even with the rattle o'death. another fun one was a NA 3800 with the 5 speed. I think it ended up eating the transmission tho. too much torque.
There is a guy in one of the fiero forums that junkyard engineered his S/C 3800 powered fiero into the 11's. then there is always Archie V8 conversions. but the guy that runs it makes many of the fly by night operations we see on these boards look straight as arrows. and he is very immature to boot.
If you want to know more, shoot me an email and I'll give ya my ex roommies email address, he'll tell ya everything you ever wanted to know and then some.
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p.s. the 84's were the only ones that lit on fire (*a lot) and the 88's have a completely redesigned suspension that actually works. theyr were a lot better than the 84 to 87's .
on the Fiero note, oh my god. do those suck. A roommate was into those at one point. helped him with 3 engine swaps. first was a camaro 3.4L V6. its easy, all you need is a template for the starter mounts and you just dress it with all the 2.8 stock manifolds. big increase in torque, about the same HP. My SOHC powered '89 coupe could keep up with him, even with the rattle o'death. another fun one was a NA 3800 with the 5 speed. I think it ended up eating the transmission tho. too much torque.
There is a guy in one of the fiero forums that junkyard engineered his S/C 3800 powered fiero into the 11's. then there is always Archie V8 conversions. but the guy that runs it makes many of the fly by night operations we see on these boards look straight as arrows. and he is very immature to boot.
If you want to know more, shoot me an email and I'll give ya my ex roommies email address, he'll tell ya everything you ever wanted to know and then some.
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p.s. the 84's were the only ones that lit on fire (*a lot) and the 88's have a completely redesigned suspension that actually works. theyr were a lot better than the 84 to 87's .
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Well now that the Fiero ain't gettin' any love in this thread, I gotta defend its honor.
If we're talking about the previous gen, non-convertible you have to be careful in which year you buy. 91 and earlier models are plagued with rear suspensions that seem to lack grip at the limit. The boxier late 80's MR2's were particularly bad bordering on dangerous in the hands of an inexperienced driver. I've asked grassroots racers and it looks to be bad rear suspension design.
Between the two, I'd take a Fiero because they're generally cheaper. Hot Rodders have swapped in everything and the kitchen in the Fiero's- LT1, LS1, Oldsmobile Aurora DOHC and Ford SHO engine swap kits are all over the place for this thing. With the MR2 you're pretty much limited to swapping in a turbo it isn't already equipped or drop in a 3.0 Camry V6. After some researching, power-to-price wise the Fiero V8 is much more cost efficient. The all-aluminum IRS from early 80's Vettes can be welded easily to reduce weight to account for the added heft from a V8.
If we're talking about the previous gen, non-convertible you have to be careful in which year you buy. 91 and earlier models are plagued with rear suspensions that seem to lack grip at the limit. The boxier late 80's MR2's were particularly bad bordering on dangerous in the hands of an inexperienced driver. I've asked grassroots racers and it looks to be bad rear suspension design.
Between the two, I'd take a Fiero because they're generally cheaper. Hot Rodders have swapped in everything and the kitchen in the Fiero's- LT1, LS1, Oldsmobile Aurora DOHC and Ford SHO engine swap kits are all over the place for this thing. With the MR2 you're pretty much limited to swapping in a turbo it isn't already equipped or drop in a 3.0 Camry V6. After some researching, power-to-price wise the Fiero V8 is much more cost efficient. The all-aluminum IRS from early 80's Vettes can be welded easily to reduce weight to account for the added heft from a V8.
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McAdam wrote:your civic SI would run with an SE-R? must have been a tired SE-R or an auto. I've got a 93 SE-R, and I destroy honda products on a daily basis. as well as other nissan products and a slew of GM v6 FWD powered crap. MMMMmm berettas are good for dinner.
He was being sarcastic, hence the "rolleyes" smiley. See --->:rolleyes
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I know, its easy lunch. sometimes the best meal is a free one. There is nothing I hate more that the tinny, crap sound of a GM v6 being pumped thru fart pipes.
the SE-r's aren't the best thing to roam the streets, but they are quick. 0 to 60 in low-ish 7's. you can take that number down to the mid 6's with intake and exhaust.
I hope you find a decent car, stoneage.
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the SE-r's aren't the best thing to roam the streets, but they are quick. 0 to 60 in low-ish 7's. you can take that number down to the mid 6's with intake and exhaust.
I hope you find a decent car, stoneage.
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