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Post by **scsi** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

hi, im considering getting a 240sx, fastback...like a 93. i want a brand new sr20det from the factory (the S15 engine w/ 6 spd transmission) and the S15 front end. will both of these fit nicely? what kinda price am i looking at? thanks!

Post by **mattback** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

im guessing probably ~ 10k for the motor alone

Post by **SpeeDDrifT** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

1993 Nissan 240sx....$1500(?)s-13 to s-15 conversion.....$3000 + s/hS15 motor and transmission....$7000 + s/hif you actually do it......priceless

Post by **SpeeDDrifT** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

oh you said new motor from the factory....that would be priceless by itself.....heheh.....yeah i would guess a good $10k motor alone then throw the shipping on top of that from Japan!....so to reviseS13......$1500S15 conversion......$3500S15 motor and transmission straight from factory(do they still make new ones?)plus shipping........$15000the look on your face when you get you credit card statement........priceless.

Post by **SpeedRacer1** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

You do realize that you or whoever installs this S15 will be running into install quandries every five minutes. Though the engine can be purchased, it cannot be purchased from the factory. If you really want a new fastback buy a 1998 180SX from japan and swap out the S13 blacktop SR20DET for the S15 SR20DET.

This thing that really pisses me off about your whole idea is that over here it would cost you about $15000 to do your entire conversion and in japan in the latest SCC they show an S14with a hella tight wide body kit and an RB26DETT under the hood going for about $15600.

Post by **UncleBen** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

SpeeDDrifT wrote:the look on your face when you get you credit card statement........priceless.

lol.

Post by **scsi** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

yikes

i think the engine is a little VERY out of my price range...

i just checked out http://www.afterdark-tuning.com/ and was wondering how good they are. for the engine that i want its $5000.

would the S15 front conversion would the bumper, lights, etc fit pretty easily?

Post by **orange_guy182** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

From what I've heard, Daunt is very reliable. I've never dealt with him personally.

Also, there are some strawberry face conversion that are almost bolt on and some that need a lot of work to make fit. Not sure which one daunt sells though.

Post by **SWIFT_DRIFT** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

scsi wrote:hi, im considering getting a 240sx, fastback...like a 93. i want a brand new sr20det from the factory (the S15 engine w/ 6 spd transmission) and the S15 front end. will both of these fit nicely? what kinda price am i looking at? thanks!

Where did you get this idea? Have you done any research whatsoever? and being that you just turned 16, i would fly to hawaii and shoot you if that was your first car.

Here's my version of YOUR PLAN:buy a 89-93 240, learn to drive a car, save up your money like a normal person, then upgrade slowly as ur cash allows.

the difference between a s15 engine and say an s13blacktop is nothing significant but some factory tuning by nissan. the vvt of the s15 usually is taken away too once you start serious tuning of the motor. For the 5000 you spend on a stock s15 not including install, you could buy a s13 black for half the price and spend the other 2500 on tuning the black top to over 300 hp. This is getting really annoying all these little younguns reading import magazines and saying IMA BUY ME A 240, not even knowing the LITTLEST info about the car at all. they just read and "hear" about an engine swap like dem der hondas and OMG they gotta have it too. grow up with ur little plan, as it will cost you about 20,000 for all that stuff plus install. learn how to drive first, then learn how to control your car, then learn all the aspects of how your car works, THEN start upgrading as ur money allows.

Post by **nametakennow** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Being idealistic is fun, but get a grip man. I agree with SWIFT, to a point. Get your head out of the clouds, come back down, stay on the forums to learn in combination with experience, drive a lot, and save some $, then spend way too much money doing stupid(ly fun) things.

Post by **GodDrivesA240sx** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

SpeeDDrifT wrote:1993 Nissan 240sx....$1500(?)s-13 to s-15 conversion.....$3000 + s/hS15 motor and transmission....$7000 + s/hif you actually do it......priceless

Finding the newest trend in the latest issue of a popular import magizine. Priceless.

Post by **GodDrivesA240sx** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

SWIFT_DRIFT wrote:Where did you get this idea? Have you done any research whatsoever? and being that you just turned 16, i would fly to hawaii and shoot you if that was your first car.

Here's my version of YOUR PLAN:buy a 89-93 240, learn to drive a car, save up your money like a normal person, then upgrade slowly as ur cash allows.

the difference between a s15 engine and say an s13blacktop is nothing significant but some factory tuning by nissan. the vvt of the s15 usually is taken away too once you start serious tuning of the motor. For the 5000 you spend on a stock s15 not including install, you could buy a s13 black for half the price and spend the other 2500 on tuning the black top to over 300 hp. This is getting really annoying all these little younguns reading import magazines and saying IMA BUY ME A 240, not even knowing the LITTLEST info about the car at all. they just read and "hear" about an engine swap like dem der hondas and OMG they gotta have it too. grow up with ur little plan, as it will cost you about 20,000 for all that stuff plus install. learn how to drive first, then learn how to control your car, then learn all the aspects of how your car works, THEN start upgrading as ur money allows.

That's what I'm talking about. Now everyone is going to be buying a 240 and swapping in an SR with daddy's money. Which means that me, who has paid for my car's down payment, insurance full coverage, and car payements and moding my car with what little money *I* have left over, gets blown away buy a f*** who thinks his car is medium wheel drive! (not to mention probley drinks smernoff Ice cause he can't stand the taste of beer) f*** that, I'm going to smash every ricer I see in a 240. The 240 would rather die then be driven by a ricer, or someone who wants to race it but knows absolutley nothing about the car.

:angryfire

Post by **midnight brother** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

i like rootbeer

Post by **nametakennow** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

midnight brother wrote:i like rootbeer

Good to hear!

Post by **GodDrivesA240sx** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

midnight brother wrote:i like rootbeer

Do you ride the bus that's shorter than the rest??? I think you ment to post that in the ring in master man's thread

Post by **scsi** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

god damn what is with all the hate. this is no trend to me... i LOVE the 240sx, silvias, 180sx, etc. it is my favorite car and it has been for years. ive known about the sr20det about just as long. i was thinking the S15's engine because of the 250hp, 6 speed transmission, and not wanting to do much else to it. i do NOT plan to do ANY of this any time soon i wanted to do this during or after college AFTER saving up my money like a normal person. however, right now im actually doing research for my dad who was interested in my idea.

so FYI im not a ****** little kid that saw a 240 in the latest import tuner. its not a ****** trend to me, i love this car. so if you guys wanna hate and dont wanna help me then thats fine with me.

Post by **nametakennow** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Sorry man, we tend to jump on people with big ideas, next time you've got one, try totally explaining it for us. 240SX.org is the BEST place to learn about the car and find some people with similar interests. I joined a month ago, and already I've easily doubled, tripled (something like that) my knowledge of the car, even learned a bit about cars in general. Stay on, you'll find that we are really nice, informative people. And if you did get your dad interested, more power to you for it!

Post by **MaineExport** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Settle down dude!

You'll just have to get used to that.... some people just get a little sensitive when a newbie comes around talking SR20's and what not. You'd swear some of the members here think they invented the engine swap and no one else is allowed to do it. It is becoming trendy and almost hinting towards a Honda type of scare... but I'll say it again..... AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!! If you're looking for info and doing research for your dad.. use the search button first... it will help a lot and people won't be so quick to jump down your throat. As for your project.... you'll have to "settle" for a used engine.... and After-Dark tuning should have great engines..... the owner is a mod here and a well respected member of this community. Read his website, his warranty is second to none. Good luck.

Post by **APEXi240** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

You got jumped on because you sound like every other kid with their first post. You are not being reasonable.

How can you be talking about an engine swap when you don't even have the car? Take it one step at a time. Do you even have you liscence yet? Take baby steps. I'm not even worrying about what engine to get yet, cause I have like 500 bucks in the bank.

It's nice to have a long term plan, but you're asking for prices like you're gonna buy it now. I'm sure it'll take a while for you to get up money (unless you're rich or your parents are paying for it), prices will change by then, so there is no need asking about stuff like that now.

With all the money you'd be spending to make that thing look like an S15, you could go buy a new Z, and make it fast.

Post by **scsi** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

APEXi240 wrote:
How can you be talking about an engine swap when you don't even have the car? Take it one step at a time. Do you even have you liscence yet? Take baby steps. I'm not even worrying about what engine to get yet, cause I have like 500 bucks in the bank.

It's nice to have a long term plan, but you're asking for prices like you're gonna buy it now. I'm sure it'll take a while for you to get up money (unless you're rich or your parents are paying for it), prices will change by then, so there is no need asking about stuff like that now.

With all the money you'd be spending to make that thing look like an S15, you could go buy a new Z, and make it fast.

like i said, my dad asked me to do a little research because he's interested in my plan too.

i dont want to make it look like an S15. i like the fastback and the S15 front so i want to put em both together to have a car that i like even more. i liek the fastback and S15 mroe than the Z...i dont do whats popular, i do what i like.

Post by **APEXi240** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Well the S15 front will be a boatload of money. You need custom fenders, hood, and bumper, all of which are aftermarket Japanese products, plus you need the lights. If (or more likely when) a part gets broken, or you get into an accident, there will be a lot of down time in getting parts, and difficulty too.

Have you seen the S13 front end for your car? That is much cheaper, and a lot easier to find.

Also if you end up wanting to drift, a 6-speed isn't the best idea, they fit more gears into the same bellhousing, making the gears thinner, and easier to break. A common trend in Japan is to swap out the 6-speed and drop in an S14 5-speed transmission. Or if you are big dog like Signal you just drop in the sequential transmission.

The S15 doesn't have HUGE advantages over the other engines, just a better turbo and VVT, and I assume a couple of other little things, but for the price difference you can easily match performance with an S13 engine, using the leftover money for other modifications......

Post by **scsi** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

wow, its ppl like you, APEXi240, that make me glad to be here

i was also considering the s13 front which was my original idea. i think i will probably go back to that idea. the thinner gears is going to be a problem too... thanks for the help man

Post by **SpeeDDrifT** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

maineimport wrote:You'll just have to get used to that.... some people just get a little sensitive when a newbie comes around talking SR20's and what not. You'd swear some of the members here think they invented the engine swap and no one else is allowed to do it.

so true. of couse if anyone has seen option2 video vol 34. 180sx/silvia super tuning...Nobi gets a S-15 swap in a S-13 Q's Silvia (full on nismo 6-speed transmission, S-15 sr20det, cusco diff, the list goes on) and smokes the Koguchi World 180sx(drift-wise).

OF COURSE, this is a OPTION funded car.

p.s. every 240 owner should own that video. option2 vol 34

Post by **GodDrivesA240sx** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

scsi wrote:god damn what is with all the hate. this is no trend to me... i LOVE the 240sx, silvias, 180sx, etc. it is my favorite car and it has been for years. ive known about the sr20det about just as long. i was thinking the S15's engine because of the 250hp, 6 speed transmission, and not wanting to do much else to it. i do NOT plan to do ANY of this any time soon i wanted to do this during or after college AFTER saving up my money like a normal person. however, right now im actually doing research for my dad who was interested in my idea.

so FYI im not a ****** little kid that saw a 240 in the latest import tuner. its not a ****** trend to me, i love this car. so if you guys wanna hate and dont wanna help me then thats fine with me.

My post weren't directed at you, it was at the crowd that does what I was saying. I wasn't sure if you were one of them or not, just take everyone's advice here about further post and you'll do fine

Post by **Daunttless** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Well, since no one decided to chime in for me. : ) I tend to think I"m reliable, if you want, I can get you a brand new S15 engine and transmission and whatever else you want from the car for like 25-30 thousand dollars. Yes, thats right, the only way to buy that engine would be to buy one of the few remaining brand new S15s from a dealer in Japan. However, if you're going to do that I'd rather just import the car for you for like 40,000 dollars, and then you can hack it up yourself or do with it what you will. There is a slim possibility that a dealer in japan can get the engine new, but its extremely slim. As far as the S15 conversion I sell, it says in the description that the kit I sell is complete and bolt on. However, I can't get a conversion until November, if you wanted the whole car I could have it in November, if you wanted a brand new engine and what not it would probably take till December. However, I would take the advice of some of the other guys and do a different SR20 engine, or at the very least a used one, however when I could come up with one is beyond me, as they are extremely rare. If you have that kind of money I'd rather put a RB26 in for you or something. : ) Enjoy your day and let me know if you have more questions, you got me at a time that I'm extremely slow to respond though, so enjoy your day and I'll do what I can.

http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....ber=2

Post by **MAXIMUS Nismo** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

damn u dauntt, give me a chance to give u some props will ya!!???

anyway, waht daunt just said is true.....I'll vouch fer his knowledge/skills/board hogging skills.

Post by **MaineExport** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Daunttless wrote:Well, since no one decided to chime in for me. : ) I tend to think I"m reliable,http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....ber=2

I'm not even one of your little desciples and I had your back you ungrateful bastard!!!!

"and After-Dark tuning should have great engines..... the owner is a mod here and a well respected member of this community. Read his website, his warranty is second to none. Good luck"

So I didn't call you bay name.... geeeez, what does one have to do to earn brownie points!!! (or that s14 strawberry face you promised me!!)

Post by **Daunttless** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Sorry buddy, its hard for me to read thru everything. : )

Thank you to everyone who's got my back. : )

Post by **scsi** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

what gives the S15's engine the extra 45hp? bigger turbo? ive decided maybe an s13 blacktop would fit in easier but i wanna know where the other 45 hp is from

thnx for the help guys

Post by **SpeedRacer1** » Sun Sep 22, 2002 2:33 am

Better wastegate design, ball bearing turbo, higher boost possibility, different materials used in the turbo and 444cc injectors.

Basically get the Garret T28 off an S15 engine.

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