The move to remove Rush

[ishkabibble]

That's like saying people who are musicians have no need for a radio.

Showing your age. Who needs the radio? It's mostly just Clear Channel crap.

It's entertainment.

It's not objective, sometimes it's not even factual. It's just partisan hackery, which does nothing to solve problems.

In that vein, we could surmise that there's no "need" for Dr. Phil, Oprah, The View, etc.

There isn't.

"news"

Wait, I thought it was "entertainment"?

When you can show me that nothing that enters your eyes or ears is biased in the least, then I'll buy that argument.

Pretty much everything is biased. The problem is the dittoheads tend to only listen to a certain bias. So, no, it's not independent. Same deal with Kos readers, etc.

Automatically dismissing the capacity for independent thought of anyone who listens to a certain program is ludicrous.

Capacity is different then performance.

Read that last line again. Ludicrous.

Jeez, I must have touched a soft spot. It's ok, I still like you even though you listen to Rush.

[AZhitman]

Showing your age. Who needs the radio? It's mostly just Clear Channel crap.

Stay on topic. Or should I have said, "satellite radio, CDs, iPods and other forms of delivery of audio entertainment"?

It's not objective, sometimes it's not even factual. It's just partisan hackery, which does nothing to solve problems.

Nor is CNN. Or Fox News. Or any other reporting. There's a continuum of "factual-ness", it's not one or the other.

Oh, and I'm sorry, I missed the rule that says every media outlet has a duty to solve problems. Howard Stern missed the memo as well.

There isn't.

Agreed, but they have a right to exist.

Wait, I thought it was "entertainment"?

Note my quotation marks.

The problem is the dittoheads tend to only listen to a certain bias. So, no, it's not independent. Same deal with Kos readers, etc.

So what?

No, seriously. So what?

Capacity is different then performance.

OK, so let me rephrase: "Automatically assuming that anyone who listens to a certain program does not engage in independent thought is ludicrous. "

Jeez, I must have touched a soft spot. It's ok, I still like you even though you listen to Rush.

Never gonna happen. You've had ample chances.

Oh, and by the way, I haven't listened to a RL broadcast since 1996. Nice try brotha!

[CakeDaddy]

Wrong! Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but keep in mind that too much of a good thing in the wrong hands can be dangerous. In this case… he has abused his “freedom of speech” As for what he said about President Obama…. Rush is an A$$ clown and I wish people would realize that and stop signing up to be a foot soldier for this radio head. He said what he said and then said it again in detail “I need four: I hope he Fails” 67Million Obama supporters vs. his 10Million ear jockeys. Hmmmmm… He may wanna shut the Fkcu up. He has already offended M J Fox, Called an Albuquerque woman “fat” & he has recently offended some school kids in Wisconsin and now this.

[Cold_Zero]

Wrong! Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but keep in mind that too much of a good thing in the wrong hands can be dangerous. In this case… he has abused his “freedom of speech”

I thought the old adage was "Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing." But In the wrong hands?? How elitist?? of you. The way I read that line is that, for some people, the exercising of too much freedom of speech is ok.. Say like the people that attempted to use their position (as with Hollywood) to take down President Bush by maligning him and slandering him with no cause. But now that apparently ‘the wrong person’ does it and to be honest is not that mean about it, its an ‘abuse.’ If it is SO much of an abuse, why doesn’t Obama take Rush to court? Or use the full weight of the FCC or the Executive Branch to censor Rush? Maybe because Rush has done and said NOTHING wrong. But what absolutely baffles me, is that for the past 8 years Democrats, Liberals and people suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, kept running around this country proclaiming that “Dissent is the HIGHEST form of Patriotism.” But apparently, that does not hold true? What changed? That is right; now that they are in “Control” the old paradigm doesn’t apply. I see how it is, Dear Supreme Chairman.

Quote »As for what he said about President Obama…. Rush is an A$$ clown and I wish people would realize that and stop signing up to be a foot soldier for this radio head. He said what he said and then said it again in detail “I need four: I hope he Fails” 67Million Obama supporters vs. his 10Million ear jockeys. Hmmmmm… He may wanna shut the Fkcu up. He has already offended M J Fox, Called an Albuquerque woman “fat” & he has recently offended some school kids in Wisconsin and now this.[/quote]Read my lips. Personally, I hope that Obama fails to implement any of his Socialist and Collectivist programs and ideas because they are of a FAILED Ideology.

But it would be 69 million supporters as, that is how many people voted for Obama in the 2008 Presidential Election. But hey, if Obama rolls with 69 million people, why the screw is he so worried about a radio talk show host who has an average listenership of 13.5 million? Could it have anything to do with the fact that those 13.5 million listeners might be passionate about excercising their democratic rights? Yes I know we have a Constitutional Federal Republic, as our system of government which does embody democratic principals.And if this all about the numbers, it appears that Rush gets paid 37.5 million a year.. You get paid what? $100k a year, so maybe you can shut the screw up.

[Bubba1]

And Howard Stern with Robin's News

My favorite part of his show...

[HashiriyaS14]

All this quoting back and forth is missing the point.

Limbaugh will not be taken off the air as a result of this, nor should be be. The discussion of whether or not he has the right to exist or broadcast is not an interesting one. He can say whatever he wants, we're not debating the first amendment here.

The real question is whether or not the statement helped or hurt him, his image, and his popularity. By extension, the question is also whether or not his statement hurt or helped the GOP, as he is now arguably it's most visible figurehead, he can materially aid or damage the party with his statement.

I think it'll sort of help him (personally and financially) to become even more reactionary, but I think that now his image is more directly tied to that of the party and I think he will ultimately be hurting the GOP if he becomes more reactionary.

[CakeDaddy]

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wrong!!!!!!! Go back and re-read what you typed. wrong wrong!!!

All this quoting back and forth is missing the point.

Limbaugh will not be taken off the air as a result of this, nor should be be. The discussion of whether or not he has the right to exist or broadcast is not an interesting one. He can say whatever he wants, we're not debating the first amendment here.

The real question is whether or not the statement helped or hurt him, his image, and his popularity. By extension, the question is also whether or not his statement hurt or helped the GOP, as he is now arguably it's most visible figurehead, he can materially aid or damage the party with his statement.

I think it'll sort of help him (personally and financially) to become even more reactionary, but I think that now his image is more directly tied to that of the party and I think he will ultimately be hurting the GOP if he becomes more reactionary.

Ummm hmmm.. True. Like I mentioned earlier, 67miliion Obama supporters vs. his so called 10m ear jockeys. I think 10mil people is exaggerated, but... anyhow. Yes, his image will be hurt by this, but like you said.. Financially, $$$. There isn't anything that can help the "Grand Old Party”, especially Rush. He doesn't care about his party anymore and that is the killer. He even vowed not to vote republican this past election... imagine that.

[OriginalWheelman]

Side note, Why id the Republican party called the GOP when the Democratic party is older?

[Cold_Zero]

All this quoting back and forth is missing the point.

Limbaugh will not be taken off the air as a result of this, nor should be be. The discussion of whether or not he has the right to exist or broadcast is not an interesting one. He can say whatever he wants, we're not debating the first amendment here.

Agreed. He is not going anywhere. His contract extension is evidence of that.

Quote »The real question is whether or not the statement helped or hurt him, his image, and his popularity. By extension, the question is also whether or not his statement hurt or helped the GOP, as he is now arguably it's most visible figurehead, he can materially aid or damage the party with his statement.

I think it'll sort of help him (personally and financially) to become even more reactionary, but I think that now his image is more directly tied to that of the party and I think he will ultimately be hurting the GOP if he becomes more reactionary.[/quote]Personally, I think it helps him and the party (or at least his vision of what the party should be). The biggest complaint about republicans going back to the election in 2006 is that no one could really tell the difference between how the Republicans had been acting and the Democrats. This not only came from independents and people not aligned with a political party, but from conservatives. I think that Rush’s words and stance is an attempt to be a firebrand for conservatives in the Republican Party and conservative politicians serving in Congress to change course (back to conservatism) and to stand their ground on principles. Basically, to shift the mentality of the Party away from consolidation and preservation of power and back to core principles. I am reminded back to when Congress was trying to push for a Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill that was not only supported by President Bush, but most Republican Senators. It was talk radio that mobilized people to call their House Representatives to push back on McCain-Kennedy and for it to be defeated. The rally cry was to focus the reform efforts away from Amnesty and a path to citizenship for foreign workers to securing the border and building the fence. And it was ironic, we saw on the Major News Networks urban centers in the US with people marching for support of Comprehensive Immigration Reform and very little people against. Yet, magically the McCain-Kennedy bill was defeated by the House.

I think it has already been established that Rush, with all of his gaffs and his problems with drugs, is not going to have his imagine trashed so easily, by this incident. I honestly think that Rush’s interview with Hannity was an attempt to motivate the troops (so to speak) to stand their ground during this administration.Bud

[Cold_Zero]

wrong!!!!!!! Go back and re-read what you typed. wrong wrong!!!

You will have to give me a little bit more of the quote than just a period. Not sure which period in the conversation you took exception to.

[Cold_Zero]

Side note, Why id the Republican party called the GOP when the Democratic party is older?

Weren't the predecessor of the current Republican Party and the current Democrat Party the same party up until the mid 1800s? I thought that Lincoln was the first Republican President after the party split into two parties.

[Cold_Zero]

Yes, his image will be hurt by this,

Wait, his image will be hurt by this? Or you are just hoping this will hurt his image, in some vain hope to take him down. Seriously, why does the left and people hostile to the ideals of the Republican Party feel so threatened by talk radio programs and hosts?

Quote »There isn't anything that can help the "Grand Old Party”, especially Rush. He doesn't care about his party anymore and that is the killer. He even vowed not to vote republican this past election... imagine that.[/quote]Rush or Hannity or what have you wont save the party, as they are not the party. What will save the party is a return to the fundamentals and principles of what makes the Republican Party, Republican. So in a sense, I agree with you. But even if you ‘take down’ all of the Talk Radio shows and hosts, you will not kill or even placate the Republican Party.

[CakeDaddy]

that entire post is WRONG. I opted not to tag it in my quote, because it was too much of the wrong thing said to even bother quoting, so I entered the "period" I'll let you figure it out.

[smockers83]

^ You, sir, are delusional.

[Cold_Zero]

that entire post is WRONG. I opted not to tag it in my quote, because it was too much of the wrong thing said to even bother quoting, so I entered the "period" I'll let you figure it out.

Well, there you go. King CakeDaddy has decreed that Bud is wrong, just plain wrong....

Thanks, now I can be freed up to move on to bigger and brighter endevors.bud

[OriginalWheelman]

Weren't the predecessor of the current Republican Party and the current Democrat Party the same party up until the mid 1800s? I thought that Lincoln was the first Republican President after the party split into two parties.

Well it seems to get quite confusing. I'm reading trying to figure this out. There are conflicting times. I thought the best way would be to go to the source so I did.

The Republican Party was born in the early 1850's by anti-slavery activists and individuals who believed that government should grant western lands to settlers free of charge.

Thomas Jefferson founded the Democratic Party in 1792 as a congressional caucus to fight for the Bill of Rights and against the elitist Federalist Party.

So...

[CakeDaddy]

Well, there you go. King CakeDaddy has decreed that Bud is wrong, just plain wrong....

Thanks, now I can be freed up to move on to bigger and brighter endevors.bud

Its OK.. you will recover. We are all wrong at some point in time, especially on this forum and when it comes to politics. I've read so much wrong here its un-real. I gain more knowledge from the animated cartoon “The Boondocks” than I get from this political side of the forum and it’s mainly because most of you here are one-side and hateful toward our new president for whatever reason. So, you may ask the question: “Why do you visit here then” Answer: Because it entertains me.

Just to stay on topic…………Rush L needs to pick his words better. Thats all.My work is done here. Have a nice day

[Cold_Zero]

Its OK.. you will recover. We are all wrong at some point in time, especially on this forum and when it comes to politics. I've read so much wrong here its un-real. I gain more knowledge from the animated cartoon “The Boondocks” than I get from this political side of the forum

Maybe you reading Boondocks is part of your problem, not the solution? j/k

Quote »and it’s mainly because most of you here are one-side and hateful toward our new president for whatever reason. So, you may ask the question: “Why do you visit here then” Answer: Because it entertains me.

Just to stay on topic…………Rush L needs to pick his words better. Thats all.My work is done here. Have a nice day[/quote]I always thought that it was the other way around. This forum was for a bunch of people suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome. But I appreciate the perspective that you bring, I just may not agree with it.

[OriginalWheelman]

Its OK.. you will recover. We are all wrong at some point in time, especially on this forum and when it comes to politics. I've read so much wrong here its un-real. I gain more knowledge from the animated cartoon “The Boondocks” than I get from this political side of the forum and it’s mainly because most of you here are one-side and hateful toward our new president for whatever reason.

If you've read so much wrong why not take the time to correct it? Isn't that what we're here for?

People trash a lot more then Obama here. I bet if you total it there are WAY more threads hating on Bush than on Obama. Someone even started a thread trashing Palin for how much the GOP spent on her wardrobe.

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Such inconsiderate people on this forum.

[HashiriyaS14]

I always thought that it was the other way around. This forum was for a bunch of people suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome. But I appreciate the perspective that you bring, I just may not agree with it.

Everyone is predisposed to thinking that they're the underdog.

I think that at least in terms of headcount, both sides are about equal in here. You could pick another metric though, as in which side has the highest post output in the subsection, which has the most mods/admins, which has the most troll posts, et cetera, and it would skew the distribution any number of ways.

Bud: Cake posts on MBWorld.org under the same name. I urge you to get Vidalia/TOR and some public wifi access and troll his face off.

[AZhitman]

Wrong! Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but keep in mind that too much of a good thing in the wrong hands can be dangerous. In this case… he has abused his “freedom of speech” As for what he said about President Obama…. Rush is an A$$ clown and I wish people would realize that and stop signing up to be a foot soldier for this radio head. He said what he said and then said it again in detail “I need four: I hope he Fails” 67Million Obama supporters vs. his 10Million ear jockeys. Hmmmmm… He may wanna shut the Fkcu up. He has already offended M J Fox, Called an Albuquerque woman “fat” & he has recently offended some school kids in Wisconsin and now this.

Boo-Effing-Hoo.

The "wrong hands"? Who are YOU to decide which hands are the "right hands"?

Libbys offend me all the time. I still defend their right to say what they want, and I sure as hell ain't lobbying to "silence" them.

MJ Fox is a big boy, he's not losing any sleep over it.The Albuquerque woman IS fat, that's a fact. Wah.School kids in WI are not likely to listen to RL.

Howard Stern offends people all day long. Go attack him.

Oh, wait. You won't. Because you don't disagree with his politics.

[AZhitman]

that entire post is WRONG. I opted not to tag it in my quote, because it was too much of the wrong thing said to even bother quoting, so I entered the "period" I'll let you figure it out.

Gee, I can't hang with this level of intellect and critical thinking.

You've been pummelled, son. Backing down is no way to gain ground.

Defend your position or GTFO.

[OriginalWheelman]

Howard Stern offends people all day long. Go attack him.

Oh, wait. You won't. Because you don't disagree with his politics.

I hate Howard Stern. You know what I do about it. I DON'T LISTEN TO HIM. The guy could be slandering me by name all day long, I'll never know. If you don't like Rush, I suggest you do the same to him.

[CakeDaddy]

Bud: Cake posts on MBWorld.org under the same name. I urge you to get Vidalia/TOR and some public wifi access and troll his face off.

why bother? yeah I post there. I own a couple of Benzs. I also post on hotstockmarketforums as well. Troll there as well. What is the benefit of your suggestion besides being a hater.
Modified by CakeDaddy at 12:06 PM 2/4/2009

[AZhitman]

too much of a good thing in the wrong hands can be dangerous.

Kinda like wealth? Yes, by all means, let's infringe on people's personal freedoms. Can't have anyone making too much money, or having too much freedom... You'd make a good dictator if you could get anyone to follow you.

he has abused his “freedom of speech”

Really? Like, burning the flag? Shouting "fire" in a crowded theater? Publishing pornography? Making "art" that depicts nude children? Only ONE of those things has been deemed "illegal" - So what's the problem?

Oh - I see. He disagrees strongly with the new POTUS's positions. Hmmmm. So, all those Bush-bashers abused their freedom of speech as well?

You can't have it both ways. Put on your big-boy pants.

As for what he said about President Obama…

I hope certain policies of his fail as well. Sue me.

Last I checked, BO never claimed to be worthy of worship, yet some of the Obamallamas are ready to elevate him to a deity.

Maybe Obama is abusing HIS freedom of speech, making promises he can't keep? Hmmm? Maybe? THINK HARDER.

I wish people would realize that and stop signing up to be a foot soldier for this radio head.

I can see you stomping your foot and throwing a tantrum as you type this.

Click your heels together three times, maybe you'll get your wish.

Since we're wishing, I wish people like you would stay the hell out of people's business.

If two gay guys can make out in public in front of my kids, and some actor can say "*****" and "pu$$y" and "whore" on network TV, and Larry Flynt can publish p0rn all day, then what SPECIFICALLY is your problem here?

Wish in one hand and poop in the other - Let's see which one fills up first.

[CakeDaddy]

Since we're wishing, I wish people like you would stay the hell out of people's business.

ahhhh, people like me. Typical Typical Typical! You don't know me and there is no ones business here on this forum that Im interested in getting into.

[AZhitman]

Typical of what?

Typical of someone who can dismantle your ill-advised ranting piece by piece?

Your ENTIRE rant consisted of interfering in other people's lives and restricting basic freedoms.

So you're either schizophrenic, or you're backpedaling.

Note: I respect one far more than the other.

[audtatious]

The real question is whether or not the statement helped or hurt him, his image, and his popularity. By extension, the question is also whether or not his statement hurt or helped the GOP, as he is now arguably it's most visible figurehead, he can materially aid or damage the party with his statement.

You mean the partial quote of his statement, right?

""So I shamelessly say, "No! I want him to fail." If his agenda is a far-left collectivism -- some people say socialism -- as a conservative heartfelt, deeply, why would I want socialism to succeed?""

[OriginalWheelman]

My god, the man wants things his way?

Seriously, I hadn't heard what he said, but THAT is all that this is about? Wow. Just wow.

[CakeDaddy]

Typical of what?

Typical of someone who can dismantle your ill-advised ranting piece by piece?

Your ENTIRE rant consisted of interfering in other people's lives and restricting basic freedoms.

So you're either schizophrenic, or you're backpedaling.

Note: I respect one far more than the other.

Now, that is what I call some serious jaw jacking!!! You talk a serious game on this internet!!! What ever son! If you want the last word... you got it. I still say Rush needs to pick his words better or just shut up.