I believe this is going to be the most important election for our time. This election will fundamentally "choose" what kind of USA we will have for a long time to come. Which candidate will you vote for in November (just 16 days to go!)? Vote now! lol

Fix your poll. It's question begging.

themadscientist wrote:Fix your poll. It's question begging.

What?

You are missing several candidates. Despite that fact you present the argument that anybody who doesn't choose one of the two you chose to list "does not care what path we take."

I did not vote for either of those candidates, but my cognizance of the issues and my convictions about solutions and the candidate who has them are not truthfully represented by the third choice you left me. You are question begging.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/begquest.html

I dont know, I mean if you don't vote for either of the two that can actually win, haven't you decided that it doesn't matter which of the two wins, that either is the wrong choice and you don't care which of their two roads we go down? Seems if you cared, or preferred one route over the other, it would have sequestered your vote.

I get your point, but realistically, there are only two choices. Until our customs change to a more than two party system, voting for a third party candidate is a waste of a vote, and thus you are stating you don't care by not voting for one of two candidates that WILL win the election. In these times, you have to embrace the candidate that supports your fundamental ideology, even if some specific issues don't jive. In this election, it's about socialism vs. capitalism. All other issues are second tier. This is why this election is so important. Because there are two VERY different paths we can take.

Watch 2016. You'll understand why Obama doesn't quite fit the socialist mold. He's an anti-collonialist, who was raised to believe that America was this generations great colonial power. That package comes with some european socialist ideology, but socialism isn't his core. I believe his full intent is to weaken America on the global market, and to help usher in a new one world government. Not in the old christian apocalypse sorta way, I don't think Obama is the anti-christ or anything like that silliness. But just look at what's occurred. He's weakened the dollar, we've taken the first ever ding to our credit rating, and may likely take another ding along the way. Our gas prices are at an alltime high, and are approaching european levels. He and his energy director are on record stating that the goal was to even out the price globally. He's cut oil and gas production on our land, and paid central american countries outrageous sums to start producing and selling more back to us. We simply can't have this nation compromised in strength and resolve. We don't necessarily need to be jumping in everyone's business, but we damn sure need to have the integrity needed to do so should our best interests be served in it.

Also, TMS, didn't intend to imply that you DONT care by my last comment, I know you do, what I mean was, if you cared which of the two major roads that are laid out that we go down, not if you cared about the nation and its integrity.

I have watched 2016. And I agree, but he is using the socialist values of his support group to drive his goals home. So we will become a socialist nation in the process...

He'll use it to the extent that it's necessary. The funny thing is, he IS a capitalist, and will push capitalism on the rest of the world as he pushes socialism more and more on America. This is how he intends to equalize us with the rest of the world. But he knows he can't throw us into a boiling pot of socialism, he has to turn the heat up gradually, thats what the past 4 years have been. The heat will get turned up even higher the next 4 years.

The only drawback I have about Romney, is the prospect of having him 8 years. I'd rather have him 4 years to stop this bleeding, and get a stronger conservative candidate the next time around, but that won't happen. I still prefer that to 4 more years of Obama though.

2_Liter_Turbo wrote:I get your point, but realistically, there are only two choices. Until our customs change to a more than two party system, voting for a third party candidate is a waste of a vote, and thus you are stating you don't care by not voting for one of two candidates that WILL win the election. In these times, you have to embrace the candidate that supports your fundamental ideology, even if some specific issues don't jive. In this election, it's about socialism vs. capitalism. All other issues are second tier. This is why this election is so important. Because there are two VERY different paths we can take.

There is no real practical difference between the two. My fundamental ideology is real change and constitutional governance, you have none of that with those two sock puppets.

stebo0728 wrote:I dont know, I mean if you don't vote for either of the two that can actually win, haven't you decided that it doesn't matter which of the two wins, that either is the wrong choice and you don't care which of their two roads we go down? Seems if you cared, or preferred one route over the other, it would have sequestered your vote.

I care quite a bit so I voted for the guy who has the right ideas. If you decided to vote for one of the guys that is full of s*** and can't do any of the things he says he can because they don't add up and he just decided that's what he believes this week, that's your fault, not mine. You don't care which road we go down because you choose to vote for a stuffed shirt because you do what you are told. That's the fundamental fallacy of the "lesser of two evils" voter. We have been playing that game for decades. How's that workin out for ya?

I present you with the self-fulfilling prophesy America.

We deserve to fail when so many of our people are just stupid as f***. The new national anthem of the United States of America. Sing it while we all burn.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOHwjjhFTac[/youtube]

Americans are 3rd in the world for liking America.
http://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/201 ... ed-states/
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't vote we have in 15 some-odd days. On the one hand you have an arguably ineffective president with the goal of eventually socializing America (Which, in all honesty, is where we are headed, no matter who we pick) With an economy that is recovering slower than people like. On the other hand you have a bigoted sociopath who displays a total lack of understanding of the people he tries to lie votes out of and plans an even greater transfer of wealth to the upper class. And *tinfoil hat on* I believe he intends to create a Mormon State. Plus he's f*** creepy.