The Laffer Curve

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http://www.conservativedailynews.com/20 ... f-slavery/

This is a pretty good article, makes alot of great points.

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article wrote: Laffer’s graph begins with no tax revenue at 0% tax rates. Revenues rise to a maximum as tax rates increase. As tax rates increase beyond that point, revenues diminish until, at the 100% tax rate, there is again no revenue. It looks like an inverted U, having only one maximum. The maximum occurs somewhere between the extremes, and defines the rate of taxation that produces the maximum revenues.
Now this curve has been debated, and modified into a "neo-Laffer curve" giving it more of a turbulent trend than the basic inverse parabola above. The article addresses this.
article wrote: Mathematician Martin Gardner wrote a satirical treatment of Laffer’s theories and introduced the neo-Laffer curve, loosely based on empirical evidence. The neo-Laffer curve only looks like the Laffer curve near 0 and 100 percent taxation; in a wide middle range the curve is a chaotic “snarl”. When in the middle range, revenues can go up or down and do so unpredictably. Here revenue change cannot be predicted based on changes in tax rates. The neo-Laffer curve is generally used to rebut arguments that lowering tax rates will increase revenues. Perhaps deliberately unnoticed by Gardner’s sophisticate readers, the neo-Laffer curve also rebuts notions that raising tax rates will increase revenues.
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A government that relies on Gardner’s thinking to justify increasing taxes is saying that we might as well raise taxes. After all, according to Gardner no one can prove that raising taxes will reduce revenues and it might in fact raise them. However, the taxpayers can say with equal accuracy that we might as well lower taxes; after all, according to Gardner no one can prove that lowering taxes will reduce revenues and it might in fact raise them.
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Lower taxes result in more economic activity and growth: producers retain more and with fewer resources there is less government to interfere. This should be taken into account when reviewing tax policy but is often ignored by those who justify their policies through economic theories like those of Gardner. Contrary to Gardener’s conclusions, we should not have rates that put us into the unpredictable snarl at all; tax rates should instead be below the beginning of the snarl. Above that level, higher rates cannot be relied upon to increase revenues and could lower them. Regardless of where we are on the Laffer/Gardener curve, lower rates positively affect economic growth. If tax rates are above the initial predictable zone in either the Laffer or Gardner curves, we might as well lower tax rates and get the reliable benefit of economic growth. Such simple farmer logic falls on deaf ears among those who privately shun prosperity and freedom, the most notable of whom are social-justice sophisticates.
Social-justice sophisticates ...... for example, Mr. Obama himself, who in an interview acknowledged the existence of the laffer curve based rate/revenue relationship, but ignored its implications by stating that his plan to raise tax rates was NOT about revenues, but about "fairness".

What is interesting is when you couple the effects of this curve, and the fact that the CBO is NOT allowed BY LAW to consider real world market forces when conducting tax policy studies, but holds to the "all things being equal", which is usually only used for raw theory studies, not real world studies.

The article tries to lose you toward the end, as it incorporates roman empire slavery analogies. Even still, there are solid points made.
article wrote: Other research purports to show that if our government lowers taxes according to Laffer’s theories, it will not make up the difference for decades. This is taken as evidence that the government should not lower taxes. The almost immediate effects on revenue observed after past tax reductions belie these claims. But even if it would take decades to recover “lost revenue”, their derived conclusion could only make sense if the government is in a zero-sum game against its slaves, and a dollar spent by government is infinitely better than any dollar used in any other way. This would include any potential use by the slave who earned it. This kind of thinking has crept into the everyday discussion of tax policy; when any of us keeps a dollar that we earned, it is counted as a “cost” to the government.
article wrote: President Obama promotes social-justice sophisticate policies that we know will fail. We have repeatedly learned this through mass suffering when social-justice acolytes impose their core belief systems on populations around the globe. Social-justice sophisticates never seem to tire of the predictable suffering, yet his state of the Union Speech last week spoke of a vibrant future. He enumerated as many desirable outcomes as would fit, and promised that they are all coming to a theatre near you, and you, and you. Like old Soviet 5 year plans, it gave us glowing descriptions of progress somewhere in the future brought to you by the biggest impediments to achieving progress or freedom—its social-justice sophisticate authors and the nature of the plan.


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stebo0728 wrote:This is a pretty good article, makes alot of great points.

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I thank you so much for starting with the image, because that tells me everything I need to know, and saves me the trouble of clicking the link. That article is utter s***.

The point of the Laffer Curve is to illustrate a principle, not to identify a particular fiscal policy. Laffer's Curve does not identify any particular rate - it identifies the notion that if rates are zero, nobody pays taxes. As you increase from there, government collects money. As you raise them further, government collects more money.

At the other end is 100% taxation, where government takes everything. There, nobody works (everybody evades) because it doesn't get them anything to work (at least above the table). As the government lowers the rate, money is collected because working above the table is suddenly worth something. As it lowers the rate more, more money is collected.

Here's where the graph is misleading on a FOXnews-like level: nobody has any idea where the peak is. It's a curve to illustrate a principle. Placing Bush's tax cuts on the right is utter s***, and placing the Clinton-era taxes further right is even more so. In fact, placing them anywhere on that graph is an act of partisanship so transparent as to earn a death sentence from me, were I King.

It's entirely arbitrary, and, frankly, you should be ashamed for spreading nonsense like this.

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Oh snap, we are going to talk about guns and butter? Agreed with that guy ^^ I need hard numbers that compare 1:1 to rank any snapshot and even then it's not an absolute, but rather a figure that must always be accompanied with the others to provide context. It reminds me of a curmudeonly PoliSci Professor I had:

"You have conservative economists and liberal economists, and you call this a science?"

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This image reminds me the caricatures made by Hawking in his book A Brief History of Time...this is to say, absolutely no solid evidence but a divine and sophisticated collection of conjectures and trash...

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Ironic that is called the laugher curve?


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