The FX* ... Don't you hate when they call it a TRUCK?

[Thorshammer]

This forum references the FX as a hot rod SUV. I take issue with that description in that the FX is not a SUV.
A SUV is Truck designed to carry passengers, enhanced with car interior.
I don't know about anyone else but all my paper work on my FX referred to it as a "Crossover / special purpose vehicle" in fact It is an insult for someone to compliment me by saying " nice truck".
In a Crossover it's the drive train and suspension that make it an uniquely superior design.
I would never consider owning a truck for a number of performance reasons, ad that to the fact that I don't have a reasonable need to own a truck.
The space and height the crossover offers blinds many to the fact that it is more of a car than a SUV and by no means a TRUCK.
My fully loaded FX has more in common with a computer than a truck, In fact I refer to it as a computer on wheels.
Are other FX owners annoyed by the TRUCK reference when describing your FX.

[BBISHOPPCM]

Are you upset because you feel the "truck" reference is a dig at the social status of being seen in an upperclass sophisticated vehicle? I drive a front-wheel-drive Murano, which is more "crossover" and less "truck" than your rear-wheel-drive FX, and people refer to it as a "truck" all the time;infact, it's classified as a "mid-sized SUV" just like your FX, and registers as an "All-Purpose Vehicle," just like the FX; and no, it doesn't bother me one bit.

[Thorshammer]

Actually the FX is a AWD vehicle and it was the first crossover.
Every thing else including your Maurano is a knock off of the FX.
Introduced at the 2002 auto show and it went into production in 2003.
Unlike the Maurano it shares it's suspension with the M45
The Maurano has a SUV based suspension
And yes to drive a truck just for the sake of driving a truck is a mentality I do not share.
Normally a person who likes trucks like them big, the bigger the better.
To me that represents a mentality that is more focused on image and excess than the technology and performance represented by the FX.
It's like calling your Maurano a hatch back or a station wagon which by definition would fit both.
But the image it would produce in some ones mind would not come close to what the Maurano actually is.
That's why I hate it when they call it a truck

[TurboSauce]

all i have to say is
so what if people call it a truck. so what.
people call it what people call it.
not everyone cares about wither or not it was the "first crossover"
not everyone cares if it has m45 suspension
so why do you drive your vehicle?
is it only because it has a computer?
or is it because it's comfy, has some other things you like about it?
the size? the shape?
your vehicle does things cars can not.
your vehicle is higher off of the ground then most cars.
your vehicle has more space then most cars.
your vehicle is not a car.
your vehicle is a crossover, which by definition means it's a mix of both.
so yes it is a truck/suv, and yes it also shares some similarity with cars.
what i'm trying to say is, don't get butt hurt when someone mislabels a vehicle.
so freaking what, you can correct them, Sure your vehicle isn't heavy
but it is meant to carry some loads.
sure it may share some aspects of a car.
but it's not a car,
or a computer on wheels,

it's a vehicle designed to get you from point a to point b with as many luxuries/wants as you'd like for a reasonable price.

[Otto.]

You're a bit full of yourself. The first (I hate this term) "Crossover" was the Geo Tracker or something along those lines. Now, I know that you're going to get all defensive because I compared your FX to a Geo, but calm down for a minute. You drive an SUV, not a car, not a truck, and most certainly not a "Crossover".

People have always called SUV's "Trucks" because they are larger vehicles. It's just easier to say and some people just grew up calling them that.

BTW, a majority of FX's are RWD. No, I don't care that your AWD model was more expensive, so keep it to your self.

Your inflated ego seems to be blocking your ability to accept other people, even if they don't do everything the same way as you. If they call it a truck, let them. Stop throwing a fit and just enjoy your vehicle.

This forum references the FX as a hot rod SUV. I take issue with that description in that the FX is not a SUV.
A SUV is Truck designed to carry passengers, enhanced with car interior.
I don't know about anyone else but all my paper work on my FX referred to it as a "Crossover / special purpose vehicle" in fact It is an insult for someone to compliment me by saying " nice truck".
In a Crossover it's the drive train and suspension that make it an uniquely superior design.
I would never consider owning a truck for a number of performance reasons, ad that to the fact that I don't have a reasonable need to own a truck.
The space and height the crossover offers blinds many to the fact that it is more of a car than a SUV and by no means a TRUCK.
My fully loaded FX has more in common with a computer than a truck, In fact I refer to it as a computer on wheels.
Are other FX owners annoyed by the TRUCK reference when describing your FX.

Oh, please. "Crossover" is just a term slapped onto just about every other car or SUV these days. It means nothing. We have always called these vehicles "SUV's". No need to change that now. It's a bad attempt to get soccer moms to feel like they fit in with the rest of these idiots.

I have no idea as to why you take offense to someone calling your SUV a truck. Is it because if you are labeled as a redneck, you won't fit in with your colleagues anymore? Is it because if you show any signs of nonconformity, your "friends" will abandon you? They are complimenting your vehicle... if you get this worked up about someone outside of your social class being nice to you, you need to lighten up.

[BBISHOPPCM]

Otto/TurboSauce; right on! Seriously, who the hell does he think he is?!? I know people who call their trucks "cars." It's like the guy driving the $75,000 Escalade scoffing at his neighbor who owns a Chevy Suburban... even though the Murano and FX do not share a platform, they do share the same class and many of the same parts.

[Chris92SE]

I don't really care what other people call it. It doesn't matter to me if anyone refers to it as an SUV. I have never heard it called a "truck" but maybe I will at some point and it won't bother me. Mostly I hear SUV or crossover from people.

I will say that I generally refer to my FX as a "car" or a "crossover," just because it seems a lot more like a car, it's based on a car platform and it's kind of a cross between a car and a more traditional truck based SUV. Honestly, I don't feel comfortable going off-road with it and I really don't want to pull a trailer with it or take it hunting. Thus "car" in my thoughts.

When I had a QX4, I often referred to it as a "truck" or an "SUV." I guess that's because it drove like a truck and was based on a truck platform. I DID take it off road quite a bit (I live within an hour of two National Forests), I used it to go hunting (not really deep in the woods, though) and I pulled a travel trailer with it.

[Thorshammer]

Man....The truckers will converge on you in a second...
Many took offense to a unchangeable fact.
The FX is not a truck
Somehow that truth bothered people for some reason I have hard time understanding.

Based on the responses I can tell who has or has not driven a FX.
Let me put it another way for the sensitive members..

A person who goes out to buy a truck for hauling stuff is not going to consider a FX. ( FX = No hauling capacity and not designed for off road )

A person who goes out to buy a SUV to transport people is not going to consider a FX ( FX = Only two rows of seats )

A person who goes out to buy a truck has several makers and models to chose from as with the person who buys the SUV.

A person who wants but cant afford a FX may buy a knock off like the Maurano or any of the other knock offs that have sprung up since and bearing the name of crossover.

A person who goes out to buy a FX, will only buy a FX.
Because nothing else compares.

[TurboSauce]

There's just no helping some people

[TurboSauce]

You do realize Infiniti is Nissan's luxry brand right.
So Every Infiniti you see has a Nissan counterpart.
or should i say every nissan you see has an infiniti counterpart.
It's not a f*cking knock off.
How the f*ck could you say nothing else compares.
you're starting to sound like a civic fan boy.
You can't tell what a person is going to do or why they're going to do it.
Maybe they want to haul around their family of four, and they like the styling of the FX so they buy it.
maybe that have a small boat or trailer and like the fx because of it's gas mileage.
maybe there is someone who bought an FX to go off road.
Any vehicle is capable of anything.
Just needs the right modifications.
The FX, is not "a gift from God"
so alot of vehicles compare to and even beat the Fx.
mechanically and aesthetically.
that's the point i was trying to make.

[snwbrdr435]

Your FX is an SUV get over it. FX's are fairly large.YOU CAN TOW WITH THEM!!!!!!!!!!




My EX is more of a crossover then your f*** FX will ever be.

[snwbrdr435]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7aTzZ0z1E4&NR=1

[Thorshammer]

You can use a car to tow with..... does that make a car a SUV?
Before the SUV there was the station wagon. People towed with it too but no one called it a truck.

infiniti has the Q56
If you go to the dealer and ask to see a SUV or a truck they will show you the Q56
Any infiniti dealer will tell you the FX is not a truck.

Sure you can tow with the FX, sure you can drive it off road, but why would you buy a luxury car to drive it off road or attach a trailer hitch to it and haul stuff around with it?

Thats what they make trucks for.
Infiniti will tell you they do not recommend you take the FX off road.
Common sense dictates that you would you get a 4WD truck if you plan on doing a lot of off road driving.

That in itself is the difference between the average FX driver and a trucker, The average FX owners have no desire to drive their FX off road.

[TurboSauce]

You're a waste of mental processing.

[Otto.]

I will attempt to address your ignorance in order starting with your first post.

This forum references the FX as a hot rod SUV. I take issue with that description in that the FX is not a SUV.
A SUV is Truck designed to carry passengers, enhanced with car interior.

Wrong.

I don't know about anyone else but all my paper work on my FX referred to it as a "Crossover / special purpose vehicle" in fact It is an insult for someone to compliment me by saying " nice truck".

This is simply marketing doing what it's supposed to do; make people believe that they are buying something "new and fresh". It's an SUV. Deal with it. I hope you feel good about yourself, being another senseless sheep to follow blindly what a company says. If I was driving an FX and someone told me that I have a "nice truck", I would take it as a compliment. You obviously know what they mean. Stop being so uptight.

In a Crossover it's the drive train and suspension that make it an uniquely superior design.
I would never consider owning a truck for a number of performance reasons, ad that to the fact that I don't have a reasonable need to own a truck.

You think that the FX is a performance vehicle? If anything, the [pickup] truck would give you better performance than your SUV.

The space and height the crossover offers blinds many to the fact that it is more of a car than a SUV and by no means a TRUCK.

No your SUV is an SUV. Not a Crossover. As I said before, the term "Crossover" irritates me. It's either a car, an SUV, or a truck. Even if I accepted a Crossover as a valid type of vehicle... it would still be a subcategory of an SUV.

My fully loaded FX has more in common with a computer than a truck, In fact I refer to it as a computer on wheels.

So, disconnected driving feel is a good thing?

The fact that you refer to it as a "computer on wheels" shows what kind of personality you have. You like to brag to your friends, family, and co-workers how much more wonderful your FX is compared to whatever they drive. Even if their car is better in all aspects.

Actually the FX is a AWD vehicle and it was the first crossover.

Not all FX's are AWD. Where are you pulling this information from about how "it was the first crossover"? Even if it was a Crossover... it's certainly not the first.

Every thing else including your Maurano is a knock off of the FX.

They're made by the same company. They aren't direct competitors. It's not a knockoff either. The Murano is designed as a mom-mobile. Completely different target audience.

Introduced at the 2002 auto show and it went into production in 2003.
Unlike the Maurano it shares it's suspension with the M45
The Maurano has a SUV based suspension
And yes to drive a truck just for the sake of driving a truck is a mentality I do not share.
Normally a person who likes trucks like them big, the bigger the better.
To me that represents a mentality that is more focused on image and excess than the technology and performance represented by the FX.

The reason the Murano has SUV suspension is because IT'S AN SUV! So is yours. Just because it doesn't have suspension designed for an SUV doesn't make it something other than an SUV. Your car has an SUV body and that's the main thing that determines what kind of vehicle it is. Get your head out of your butt and realize this.

It's like calling your Maurano a hatch back or a station wagon which by definition would fit both.
But the image it would produce in some ones mind would not come close to what the Maurano actually is.
That's why I hate it when they call it a truck

A station wagon is a type of car... not an SUV... which the Murano is. A hatch back is a term used to describe a body style of a car, like a VW Golf for example. "Hatch back" is not meant to describe a certain feature of a vehicle. You're wrong again.

Man....The truckers will converge on you in a second...
Many took offense to a unchangeable fact.
The FX is not a truck
Somehow that truth bothered people for some reason I have hard time understanding.

WE have a hard time understanding!? WE DO!? WAKE UP!

The FX is closer to a truck than it is a car. As you will see above, I referred to your FX as a "car". Will you take offense to that? It's because cars are for poor people right? You need to get out of your little fantasy world of "crossovers" and all of us being country hick truckers.

Based on the responses I can tell who has or has not driven a FX.
Let me put it another way for the sensitive members..

A person who goes out to buy a truck for hauling stuff is not going to consider a FX. ( FX = No hauling capacity and not designed for off road )

A person who goes out to buy a SUV to transport people is not going to consider a FX ( FX = Only two rows of seats )

A person who goes out to buy a truck has several makers and models to chose from as with the person who buys the SUV.

All you're doing here is degrading the credibility of the FX. You're making it sound like it's a vehicle for a market that doesn't exist.

A person who wants but cant afford a FX may buy a knock off like the Maurano or any of the other knock offs that have sprung up since and bearing the name of crossover.

A good example of your "rich man" attitude. News flash, the Murano isn't a knockoff of the FX. I believe that the Murano actually came out before the FX did. According to the way that your mind works, that would make your beloved FX a knockoff of the Murano. What ever will we do now?

A person who goes out to buy a FX, will only buy a FX.
Because nothing else compares.

This makes no sense at all. I love the Infiniti FX. It's not as good as youre making it sound though. You think it's some sort of ultra-exclusive luxury car. They're fairly common.

You can use a car to tow with..... does that make a car a SUV?
Before the SUV there was the station wagon. People towed with it too but no one called it a truck.

infiniti has the Q56
If you go to the dealer and ask to see a SUV or a truck they will show you the Q56
Any infiniti dealer will tell you the FX is not a truck.

I don't care what the dealer says. The FX is an SUV, plain and simple.

Sure you can tow with the FX, sure you can drive it off road, but why would you buy a luxury car to drive it off road or attach a trailer hitch to it and haul stuff around with it?

There are plenty of luxury cars out there that are off-road capable. If you have the money, why wouldn't you want a truck that can both, make it's way through the woods, while also doing it in comfort and luxury.

Thats what they make trucks for.
Infiniti will tell you they do not recommend you take the FX off road.
Common sense dictates that you would you get a 4WD truck if you plan on doing a lot of off road driving.

That in itself is the difference between the average FX driver and a trucker, The average FX owners have no desire to drive their FX off road.

Whatever I could put here has already been said.

[TurboSauce]

P.s.
Dealers don't make the cars.
Half of them don't even know the cars they're selling.
And a Dealer will say ANYTHING if it will make you buy the vehicle.
dealer credibility is like driving with your eyes closed.
You may be able to do it for some matter of 5 seconds, but that doesn't make doing it any less stupid.

[Thorshammer]

I don't know how they do it in the state of confusion where some of you seem to drive but in my state we don't put truck plates on cars, crossovers, or station wagons.
Plates are assigned to the vehicle based on the manufactures description. I doubt you will go any where and find a FX with TRUCK PLATES on it.
Amazing how the truth makes some people angry.

[Otto.]

No one called it a truck aside from the people you told us about in your first post. Everyone in this thread has disagreed with you so far. Stop being so full of yourself and thinking that you're better than everyone else. Accept it as a compliment, change you attitude and people might like you.

[sultan]

i dunno about you guys but i'm going to put 38's on my fx and take it rockcrawling

[Thorshammer]

No one called it a truck aside from the people you told us about in your first post. Everyone in this thread has disagreed with you so far. Stop being so full of yourself and thinking that you're better than everyone else. Accept it as a compliment, change you attitude and people might like you.

Calm down and read back through the post.
My point is that there are
Cars
Station Wagons
vans
hatchbacks
SUVs
Trucks
Crossovers

It is a point of definition about a vehicle not the shallow issue you want it out to be.
I don't need to act as if I am ignorant of the facts to get along with anybody else....

You want me to agree with people who have no idea what they are talking about?

I have seen a lot trucks laid over on their side because the driver tried to drive it like a car.
You cannot drive a Truck or a SUV like you can a car.
True Crossovers can be driven and cornered like cars because they are built on Car platforms.
The FX uses performance suspension in a car platform,
The only resemblance the FX has to a SUV is it's size.
Outside of it having 4 wheels, there is nothing about a truck that resembles a FX.
So Stop Hating
You might want the FX to be a truck but it's not.

[Otto.]

You're STILL missing my point. Good job.

[Thorshammer]

You're STILL missing my point. Good job.

For those who can see case closed, for those who don't want to see look the other way
Yeah, like I'm gonna hitch a trailer hitch up to this and drive it over the mountains.
They make TRUCKS for stuff like that.
Based on your opinions, Maybe if you had a FX you would tear yours up like that.
You want to go off road pulling trailers in luxury?
There's a oxy moron in there somewhere but, in my opinion the Range Rover would the ideal vehicle to buy and yes it is a TRUCK and like the FX based on what the Range Rover is designed for Nothing else compares.
It's not a car nor a crossover or a van or a hatchback or a station wagon it is a TRUCK.
A person who goes out to buy a Range Rover will not consider FX because that person wants a TRUCK.
As an additional point a person who wants a Range Rover and can afford one will buy a Range Rover because nothing else compares.

[snwbrdr435]

IB4TL

[TurboSauce]

IB4TL

[Otto.]

You're STILL missing my point. Good job.

For those who can see case closed, for those who don't want to see look the other way
Yeah, like I'm gonna hitch a trailer hitch up to this and drive it over the mountains.
They make TRUCKS for stuff like that.
Based on your opinions, Maybe if you had a FX you would tear yours up like that.
You want to go off road pulling trailers in luxury?
There's a oxy moron in there somewhere but, in my opinion the Range Rover would the ideal vehicle to buy and yes it is a TRUCK and like the FX based on what the Range Rover is designed for Nothing else compares.
It's not a car nor a crossover or a van or a hatchback or a station wagon it is a TRUCK.
A person who goes out to buy a Range Rover will not consider FX because that person wants a TRUCK.
As an additional point a person who wants a Range Rover and can afford one will buy a Range Rover because nothing else compares.

You're going on about the same thing. I told you that you're missing my point. I'm not calling your FX a truck... It's not... I'm saying that you need to accept what other people do. If someone wants to compliment you, let them. Don't get all nit-picky about how you're correct and they aren't.

By the way, I am fully aware that Land Rovers are very capable vehicles, I have seen more soccer moms driving them than anyone else.

[MinisterofDOOM]

This forum references the FX as a hot rod SUV. I take issue with that description in that the FX is not a SUV.
A SUV is Truck designed to carry passengers, enhanced with car interior.

I actually tend to agree.

Trucks are exclusively body-on-ladder-frame vehicles. This makes them well-suited to offroad activity and towing.
SUVs are exclusively truck-based. Which means SUVs must also be body-on-ladder-frame. Unibody vehicles cannot be trucks or SUVs.

The FX is a crossover or a wagon (which are the same thing, it's just that the American public developed such a hatred for the word "wagon" in the 80s that manufacturers are afraid to use it...which is why you see so many alternate terms for wagons these days).

If it doesn't have a separate ladder frame, it isn't a truck, and it isn't an SUV.
The Forester is not an SUV.
The Pilot is not an SUV.
The Ridgeline is not a truck.
Highlander is not an SUV.
Murano's not an SUV.
Acadia is not an SUV.
Those are all crossovers or wagons or "utes."

QX56 is a truck.
Sequoia is a truck.
Expedition is a truck.
THOSE are SUVs.

And yes, I realize that in the past manufacturers have built unibody pickups (Datsun, for example). That was a long time ago in a very different automotive world. Cars were largely body-on-frame back then, too. These days, the divide between trucks and cars is pretty clear-cut. Unibody is a car. BOF is a truck. The only real remaining exception is Ford's relic, the Crown Victoria.

I blame the automotive media. C/D's "5 Best Trucks" comparos are composed almost entirely of cars, and moronically mixes drastically-differently-purposed SUVs and crossovers in the same set of rankings. You can't tow jack with a Pilot, and anyone who claims otherwise is lacking critical information. You can tow quite a lot with a Pathfinder. The two are not competitors and people who NEED the unique features of one don't cross-shop the other.

That said, I rarely hear anyone outside the automotive media misusing those terms. For the same reasons people who need a Pathy don't buy a Pilot, shoppers generally know what they're buying and why.

Actually the FX is a AWD vehicle and it was the first crossover.

Actually, Nissan's own Murano (which beat the FX to the market by a model year) is generally considered to be the car that started the crossover craze.

[Thorshammer]

I could be mistaken but it is my understanding that the Murano as introduced in 2003 the same year the FX45 hit the market.
That Murano also offered a 2WD vehicle. I have heard the Murano referred to as one of the first crossovers.
The FX45 was a concept car in the 2001 auto show.

It was redesigned in 2002. These concepts were loaded with technology and were AWD.
The FX45 has never been a 2WD vehicle that option was offered in the FX35

The name FX referred to the term Special Effects. The FX was enhanced with effects beyond anything on the market at that time.
It was released in 2003 with The FX was one of those rare instances where a concept vehicle will come to market within a year of it's introduction.
a option package that allowed you to choose a 6 cylinder FX35 instead of a 8 cylinder FX45
The FX35 gave you a choice of AWD or rear wheel drive.
allowed you to opt out of virtually all of the technology.
18 inch wheels instead of the 20'
A suspension option
And gave you the option of cloth seats.
A step below the stripped down FX was the economy version from Nissan.
Same basic concept with renault styling.

Possibly affordability and design made the Murano more recognizable as the first crossover.

[BBISHOPPCM]

Man, from your elitist descriptions of your FX, I'm inclined to believe Nissa... sorry; Infiniti, has a special factory in the land of Oz (in the suburb of Infinitiland) where only master craftsmen descending from the Samurai caste are allowed to enter; but once beyond the grand, platinum-plated doors an amazing sight beholds you; thousands of specially-bred 1' tall craftsmen build each FX35/45 by hand using tools handed down by their ancestors (who used to build Datsun 1600 roadsters). Each part is driven to the factory by limousine (no big mean trucks are allowed in Infinitiland) from their respective suppliers (Visteon, Calsonic, Johnson Controls, Hitachi, Delphi, Bosch, and Niles... the same parts suppliers for the FX's evil stepbrother; MURANO!), then each part is kissed by a unicorn, and inspected by leprechauns. Once the FX is assembled (a four-month process for each vehicle), they are tested, inspected, and certified for sale by a team consisting of Santa Clause, Jesus Christ, Bill Gates, and Zsa Zsa Gabor. Once an FX is born, it is then transported to an Infiniti dealer near you by rickshaw (pulled by a team of Murano owners) to be sold to only the most discerning of auto buyer. Gotta go cash my welfare check... the Murano payment's due tomorrow. I only hope I have enough money left over to rent a tuxedo so I'll be allowed to see how rich folk live and test-drive a new Infiniti.

[Thorshammer]

Man, from your elitist descriptions of your FX, I'm inclined to believe Nissa... sorry; Infiniti, has a special factory in the land of Oz (in the suburb of Infinitiland) where only master craftsmen descending from the Samurai caste are allowed to enter; but once beyond the grand, platinum-plated doors an amazing sight beholds you; thousands of specially-bred 1' tall craftsmen build each FX35/45 by hand using tools handed down by their ancestors (who used to build Datsun 1600 roadsters). Each part is driven to the factory by limousine (no big mean trucks are allowed in Infinitiland) from their respective suppliers (Visteon, Calsonic, Johnson Controls, Hitachi, Delphi, Bosch, and Niles... the same parts suppliers for the FX's evil stepbrother; MURANO!), then each part is kissed by a unicorn, and inspected by leprechauns. Once the FX is assembled (a four-month process for each vehicle), they are tested, inspected, and certified for sale by a team consisting of Santa Clause, Jesus Christ, Bill Gates, and Zsa Zsa Gabor. Once an FX is born, it is then transported to an Infiniti dealer near you by rickshaw (pulled by a team of Murano owners) to be sold to only the most discerning of auto buyer. Gotta go cash my welfare check... the Murano payment's due tomorrow. I only hope I have enough money left over to rent a tuxedo so I'll be allowed to see how rich folk live and test-drive a new Infiniti.

WOW!
Thats deep!
So that's what you got out of me saying the FX is a crossover not a truck.......
Man......
I almost don't know how to respond to that...
Either you are a excellent fiction writer or
You got inner issues dealing with money and class.
You don't like people with money
You don't like crossovers ( but you drive one )
You don't like people who you cannot bring to your level of thinking
You don't like people who say the FX is not a TRUCK.
You don't like recognizing the fact that there is a difference between a luxury model and a economy model and buyers suited for each.
in a nut shell you have a hard time dealing with reality.
I did not know this when I made my post....
It was not my intention to cause you mental anguish, or to offend your choice of Vehicles,
However this forum is for FX owners......
Though It is open to everybody, even children but it is really a forum for adults who know something about the FX.
FX owners would not have a problem with discussing factual information about the vehicle and they would not be arguing about if it is a TRUCK or not nor would they think that you had to be rich to own one.
You should probably stay in the Murano forums where you won't get so upset.

You were the first respondent who set the tone for most of the comments that followed.
In all of your statements your focus was to insult not discuss. You were joined in by individuals of similar mentality. All of you have another thing in common.
None of you knew what you were talking about so you all resorted to insults.
SAD.....

[BBISHOPPCM]

I wish I COULD stick to the Murano forum, but it seems to have disappeared. This forum is FAR more entertaining.