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It kills the planet, literally.

Methane, in your farts, is the leading cause of global warming, fact. (So in theory, you farts can 'kill'.)

http://www.zeeburgnieuws.nl/nieuws/mb_m ... _melt.html

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A gas so volatile to the ozone, it acts as a UV blanket keeping the heat in and pushing everything else out. It does this as much as 33 times more efficiently than Carbon Dioxide gas does over a period of 100 years.

You know the term permafrost, but have you ever heard of solid methane contained below it? Methane hydrates.

Like an oil field, theres 'pockets' of methane hydrates so large contained below comparably thinner permafrost layers everywhere in the ocean that once the permafrost above it melts, methane gas is released in large bubbles capable of sinking an entire tanker ship. This gas then goes straight into the atmosphere, collecting in the ozone and keeping UV rays inside.


(Keep this in mind, Hybrid cars will do absolutely nothing to help the ozone, contrary to popular belief. The amount of cars on the road today are incapable of providing the amount of geenhouse gasses necessary to deplete the ozone layer, and warm the ocean....thus melting permafrost. If these gases were alone trying to beat an ozone layer, it would take thousands upon thousands of years just to get to a 50% depletion. Even still, factoring in every other greenhouse gas, even if there were no cars on the roads everywhere in the road nothing would or could stop the natural occuring global warming due to currents from the warmer indian ocean flowing into the colder atlantic ocean. My theory is that cars only cause from 1 to 5% of the greenhouse gasses in the current state, as we really haven't had cars that long anyway.)



Thoughts/opinions? Anyone ever heard of these methane pockets?! :gotme


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Dem cows :(

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I have heard of these methane pockets capsizing ships which is one of the things that happen in the bermuda triangle... There are tons of articles on it. A couple of years ago I did a report about the bermuda triangle for school so I had read alot of things which also went into great detail about the methane pockets.

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Methane/CO2 mix killed 1700 people around a Lake Nyos in Cameroon.

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I read something of this sort a couple years back. Actually argued about it with someone that so blindly blamed CO2 as the soul cause of global warming.Earth's atmosphere is made up of 390 ppmv (0.039%) CO2 whereas there is "only" 1.79 ppmv (0.000179%) of Methane, yet, as you have pointed out, that relatively small amount of Methane is 33x more efficient at keeping the UV rays in than CO2

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For some reason, I cannot edit my last post at all ( lets me go in and edit it but wont submit the new post) But the "yes" towards the end was supposed to be "yet"....

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Methane pockets in the Bermuda are also thought to stall airplanes. In fact I think it was proven on Mythbusters just how much it took to stall an engine. It really wasnt that much at all. There was a good show on Discovery about the Bermuda Triangle called... Bermuda... I forget the fact about how much methane cows release from farts compared to humans.

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That's interesting. I've never heard that theory to explain the Bermuda Triangle.

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Catastrophic methane gas releases? Two words.....Taco Bell.

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Taco Bell gives you the sh*ts, not gas (for most people).

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even if double the amount of c02 is in the atmosphere, it still wouldn't do anything.

For example, Let's say you had a bottle of everclear (resembling methane) and you have like 6 beers (resembling c02). That one bottle of everclear could potentially kill you, those 6 beers would just get you drunk. 12 beers wouldn't kill you. 2 bottles of everclear would kill you and the person you vomit on! lol jk.

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TTkickedin wrote:those 6 beers would just get you drunk.
light weight :gapteeth:

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numbnuts240 wrote:
TTkickedin wrote:those 6 beers would just get you drunk.
light weight :gapteeth:
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hannibal wrote:That's interesting. I've never heard that theory to explain the Bermuda Triangle.
I guess that part of the Atlantic releases pockets of methane from the sea floor. When it bubbles up it makes the water way less dense and sinks the ship. I forgot what they said about airplane engines, something like its not combustible with fuel or something and stalls the motor. But it also throws the compasses out of whak which they also explained. It was interesting.

6 beers would get me wasted lol

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numbnuts240 wrote:
TTkickedin wrote:those 6 beers would just get you drunk.
light weight :gapteeth:
:chuckle: That's not what I meant!!!

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alms24sebring wrote:
hannibal wrote:That's interesting. I've never heard that theory to explain the Bermuda Triangle.
I guess that part of the Atlantic releases pockets of methane from the sea floor. When it bubbles up it makes the water way less dense and sinks the ship. I forgot what they said about airplane engines, something like its not combustible with fuel or something and stalls the motor. But it also throws the compasses out of whak which they also explained. It was interesting.

6 beers would get me wasted lol
How does it throw the compass out of whack? I know it messes up the altimeter but the compass works on magnetism???

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TTkickedin wrote:even if double the amount of c02 is in the atmosphere, it still wouldn't do anything.

For example, Let's say you had a bottle of everclear (resembling methane) and you have like 6 beers (resembling c02). That one bottle of everclear could potentially kill you, those 6 beers would just get you drunk. 12 beers wouldn't kill you. 2 bottles of everclear would kill you and the person you vomit on! lol jk.
Sort of.

As my environmental science professor put it, "the problem with C02 is Methane." If we pump a ton of C02 into the atmosphere it will contribute to climate change, which then could contribute to things such as the melting of permafrost. Then, as you pointed out, methane gets released into the atmosphere which is a much more potent greenhouse gas. Worst case scenario, the methane then contributes to more melting of permafrost and we have ourselves a nice positive feedback loop.

I say we go all Mad Max and burn methane to produce electricity.

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How does it throw the compass out of whack? I know it messes up the altimeter but the compass works on magnetism???

Oh yes that too. I forget how they explained it. It put the compass in loops so the pilots had to guess at where the Florida coast was. Pilots get lost in the Bahamas because everything around is an island. This is also what killed alot of pilots, running out of gas if the engines kept running.

Couldnt find it on my halfass'd lazy search on Discovery lol. I think it was just call Bermuda

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Would be a great potential energy source...giant plastic canopies covering several square kilometers over the tundra to capture the methane released by the melting permafrost. Would save our asses from certain fart asphyxiation too.

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Methane is a non-renewable resource though, so it would kinda suck to burn it up.

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TTkickedin wrote:The Earth doesn't always fart, but when it does...
It farts Dos Equis?

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No, the methane alarm comes on

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LOL

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Razi wrote:Methane is a non-renewable resource though, so it would kinda suck to burn it up.
While methane is a byproduct of plenty of non-renewable resources, the gas itself is actually quite renewable. The source I often associate with methane is the decomposition of organic material--hence all the fart jokes.

Although I didn't say it, my burning methane comment was directed at anthropogenic sources. Landfills, for example, can emit quite a bit of methane. If this methane begins to build up and/or leak out, it is commonly just pumped out and burned off, which, in my opinion, is a terrible use of resources. If we're just going to burn it anyway, why not get a little electricity out of it?

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Actually, I think I was thinking of helium.
:whistle:

I agree, you could collect some methane and generate some electricity!
I think the Mythbusters once modified a lawnmower to run on methane for an episode once.
They visited a farmer that would collect the methane from all his cow's poop and run some of his equipment with the fumes.

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Most garbage trucks in my area are CNG or Compressed Natural Gas, I think. Also most of the buses are CNG also.
Great article about farts.

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There is a huge dairy farm somewhere in the Midwest that is powered by Methane. The s**** gets loaded onto a conveyor belt which sends it to the incinerator / generator. The owner called it the ultimate example of recycling efforts in the country. It may not be all that, but it's still awesome that he did that.

http://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/?ti ... se%20gases

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^^That's pretty neat.
Razi wrote: I think the Mythbusters once modified a lawnmower to run on methane for an episode once.
They visited a farmer that would collect the methane from all his cow's poop and run some of his equipment with the fumes.
I'd really like to try something like that. I don't personally raise cattle, but I'm (literally) surrounded by them on all sides. If I have to smell their crap in the middle of a 90+ degree July day, I think I should be able to get something out of it :biggrin:
S133P3R wrote:Most garbage trucks in my area are CNG or Compressed Natural Gas, I think. Also most of the buses are CNG also.
Great article about farts.
Yeah, it seems like a lot of trucks like that run on CNG. My uncle works for a local gas company, and all of their vehicles run on it. He actually offered to hook myself or my dad up with an old F-250 they were selling. He said they were willing to set up some sort of fixed price on the gas and everything, but neither of us were really in a position to buy it at the time.
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Razi wrote:Actually, I think I was thinking of helium.
:whistle:

I agree, you could collect some methane and generate some electricity!
I think the Mythbusters once modified a lawnmower to run on methane for an episode once.
They visited a farmer that would collect the methane from all his cow's poop and run some of his equipment with the fumes.
haha yeah thats helium thats ganna be gone by 2020...

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I saw an old Top Gear episode where they raced a methane powered car. The collected the methane from a cow farm. They also compared a car powered by methane made from human waste, but there didnt explain where they got it from. Ewwww...

The cow methane came in second and the human methane came in last to the conventional powered version of the car.

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^ so you're saying we humans have methane that's less of an octane than other methane? :cry:

I wonder if stinkiness has anythign to do with the octane rating of methane gas...


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