The debate over Mosques in the US takes a shocking turn...

[heliochrome85]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arson-suspecte ... d=11508018
http://www.salon.com/news/ground_zero_m ... 29/mosques

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/arch ... to-muslims

appalling.

its nice to know that the Lt. Governor of TN does not believe that Muslims are protected under the Constitution.

[vikesfankevin1986]

Well of course they aren't...This is a nation under God...Oh wait, they worship God too...back to the drawing boards.

[WDRacing]

No matter what my views are concerning the NY Mosque and Islam in general, acts of violence make those people no better then the extremists we're at war with. Religious extremism should be stomped out at all costs in all religions. I can't even imagine how nice the world would be if we could simply remove extremism and senseless violence.

I wonder if we're truly using all of our resources to eliminate both domestic terrorism as well as abroad?

[heliochrome85]

No matter what my views are concerning the NY Mosque and Islam in general, acts of violence make those people no better then the extremists we're at war with. Religious extremism should be stomped out at all costs in all religions. I can't even imagine how nice the world would be if we could simply remove extremism and senseless violence.

I wonder if we're truly using all of our resources to eliminate both domestic terrorism as well as abroad?

our greatest ally in the fight against domestic terrorism is also our greatest hindrance...
The First Amendment.


unless we want to throw it out for the sake of the threat of hate "thoughts" we have no other option than to wait and catch people in the act of violence, or after they have commited acts of violence.

I just dont see how the US government could do anything more than what it is already doing to prevent acts of domestic terrorism. That being said, it is fairly easy to see how the arguments stated in the articles, against building a mosque in the area, are direct talking points being repeated every hour on the hour by FoxNews, Limbaugh, Beck, Laura Ingrahm, Michelle Malkin, Sarah Palin, Eric Cantor, John Boehner, Michelle Bachman as well as the National Review, The Washington Post, and RealClearPolitics.

The reality is that whatever threat there may be, is being used for profit, both politically, and financially, by the above mentioned people. Who is paying the price?

[WDRacing]

When people get all of their news from one source they're basically brain washing themselves. Reminds me of one of those movies where the Gov only allows people to see what it wants so they can maintain control of the Gen Pop.

Having a Mosque built in NY close to the towers doesn't personally bother me. What does bother me are the people that think the protesters have no right to protest. They are just as bad as the people making a grand spectacle of the event in the media.

People protest everything from animal testing to gun rights, it's what we do. Companies still murder rats by the thousands and people are still buying guns, life goes on.

Life will go on once the Mosque is built. I just hope no one is hurt when someone tries to burn it down. Like I said in the other thread though, I won't feel bad if it does get burnt, only because the signs were there. Loss of life would be awful and I'd feel genuine sorrow if an innocent person was injured or killed. But I'd have to sit back and think to myself, it's not like we didn't see this coming. That's not a justification mind you, I'm just a realist.

People suck Helio. Not all of us, but a great number...

[heliochrome85]

When people get all of their news from one source they're basically brain washing themselves. Reminds me of one of those movies where the Gov only allows people to see what it wants so they can maintain control of the Gen Pop.

Having a Mosque built in NY close to the towers doesn't personally bother me. What does bother me are the people that think the protesters have no right to protest. They are just as bad as the people making a grand spectacle of the event in the media.

People protest everything from animal testing to gun rights, it's what we do. Companies still murder rats by the thousands and people are still buying guns, life goes on.

Life will go on once the Mosque is built. I just hope no one is hurt when someone tries to burn it down. Like I said in the other thread though, I won't feel bad if it does get burnt, only because the signs were there. Loss of life would be awful and I'd feel genuine sorrow if an innocent person was injured or killed. But I'd have to sit back and think to myself, it's not like we didn't see this coming. That's not a justification mind you, I'm just a realist.

People suck Helio. Not all of us, but a great number...

i understand better now where you are coming from than say a few days ago.

We do tend to get our panties in a twist dont we?

[stebo0728]

Ive never understood the demonization of talking points. Is it so bad to have a clear and consistent message? Now if someone is taking the message and regurgitating it without holding the position themselves that is addressable, but if you truly feel the same way as others and your message is the same, is that so bad?

[IBCoupe]

Talking points in and of themselves aren't a bad thing; Stebo's right.

The problem comes when talking points (a simplification by definition) becomes the entirety of the argument/discussion. Bumper stickers are certainly catchy and easy to remember, but they neither demonstrate nor provide a clear and full understanding of the issue at hand.

If you buy into the idea that any given issue can be broken down into basic parts, talking points are fantastic. If you're of the opinion that nothing can be broken down into black and white, talking points are simply an obstruction to real dialogue.

[WDRacing]

i understand better now where you are coming from than say a few days ago.

We do tend to get our panties in a twist dont we?

Who me? ... Never

[AZhitman]

Don't lie - That's all you wear.

Freak.

[heliochrome85]

Don't lie - That's all you wear.

Freak.

you republicans do have your predilictions dont you

us hippies have no use for clothing. we like to be free and uninhibited.
plus, clothes can get caught on the fence, when crossing the border at midnight

[C-Kwik]

No matter what my views are concerning the NY Mosque and Islam in general, acts of violence make those people no better then the extremists we're at war with. Religious extremism should be stomped out at all costs in all religions. I can't even imagine how nice the world would be if we could simply remove extremism and senseless violence.

Couldn't agree more. I think, to at least some extent, there is a perpetuation of hate that occurs on both sides. That is, the more action we see from these small groups of extremists on both sides, it becomes easier for each extremist group to validate their cause to others. The more I see of this, the more I see the terrorlst write another notch on the win side of their scoreboard. It may not have been an intentional part of their "plan" but certainly isn't hurting them any when it comes to having ammo for recruitment. It would be rather ironic if the hate stemming from the arguments of "they are building terrorlst recruitment centers" actually end up being a catalyst for real recruitment of Muslim terrorists.