The ACORN hidden vid thread

[audtatious]

So, filmmaker James O'Keefe, and his partner Hannah Giles, have gone to multiple ACORN locations posing as a pimp and prostitute. They received advice from ACORN workers on how to launder their earnings and avoid detection from law enforcement officials while running a prostitution business consisting of under aged illegals. The money was to be used to help pay for the "pimps" future political career.....

First vids: Baltimore....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UOL9Jh6 ... gqORp48uik

Next vids: Washington.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWRTYD26 ... 9MCk6GvQO4

Then they released: New Yorkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrpRGZq7Z-Uhttp ... e_2_dhh1zo

Today, they released: San Bernadinohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK8ofkvLkUI-- ACORN woman admitted to being in the escort business and killing her husband in this video

Tomorrow they are supposed to release another.

The Senate has now voted that they are pulling all funding from ACORN, not sure if that means all of ACORN or just the main ACORN offices (thus, ignoring their branch organizations and their association with the services union that has been to all the town hall meetings to protest the protesters).

I love the way this is coming down. The first vid gave ACORN the chance to claim it was two rogue members who they fired and said it was simply a scam that the film makers had also attempted and failed in other cities. The second vid they pretty much didn't say anything but let the members go. I'm not sure what they did about the Washington one but now they have this one from San Bernadino that came out tonight after I understand ACORN was claiming the MD office was not really a part of ACORN as their charter had expired last year. Per hannah Giles the one being released tomorrow is going to be shocking as well.

As a side note, after MD was targeted, an ACORN lawyer stated they were going to file charges against O'Keefe, Giles, and probably Fox news, and Breitbart.com. Baltimor City State's Attorney, who ran for office on "protecting children", is also supposed to be investigating bringing charges against the two film makers as it is illegal to tape anyone in MD without both parties consent....

VERY interesting events

[AZhitman]

[nissangirl74]

News talk radio has been talking about this daily since the news broke. The thing they can't figure out, and I can't either, is why the main stream media isn't all over this story.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550602,00.html

(all Fox haters, shut up...it's the only place they are talking about it)

For the majority of the media hounds to basically ignore this situation makes me wonder how many people had ties to this organization. Are they trying to sweep it under the rug so they won't draw attention to themselves?

The truth is that 13 year old El Salvadorian girls are being brought into this country to serve as our politicians' whores. Everybody should be raising the roof, having town meetings, and swinging those involved from the trees. Hell, the ACLU hasn't even said anything; WTF is up with that?

[AZhitman]

Yep.

Where's the ACLU? Where's the Dems? Aren't they supposed to be the party of the downtrodden?

Who's looking out for these slaves? Where is their voice?

And most of all, WHERE is the POTUS's official statement renouncing all former ties to ACORN and demanding its immediate and wholesale dismantling?

Ball is in your court, Mr. President. We're eagerly awaiting an explanation on the organization you so loyally served.

[srellim234]

...(all Fox haters, shut up...it's the only place they are talking about it)...

?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32...itics/

Sorry to break the news to you, but even Fox's archrivals are covering it.

[AZhitman]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32...itics/

Sorry to break the news to you, but even Fox's archrivals are covering it.

Good.

Why is this not front-page news? WHY????

Instead, we're subjected to the "big news" of a Senator yelling out two words during the POTUS's speech.



Incidentally, the left STILL won't let it go, and they're wasting time drafting some sort of consequence for him.

What a bunch of crybaby pantywaist morons.

Here's my new catchphrase: "Obama doesn't care about underage El Salvadoran prostitutes."

[nissangirl74]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32...itics/

Sorry to break the news to you, but even Fox's archrivals are covering it.

Am I supposed to be impressed? I wanna know why it isn't on the front page of every damn newspaper in the country!

[srellim234]

From the Los Angeles Times

http://www.latimes.com/news/na...story

http://www.latimes.com/news/op...story

http://www.latimes.com/news/na...story

Three stories or editorials in the last three days in the L.A. Times. Maybe the news you're reading isn't covering it; that doesn't mean it's not being covered, or covered only by Fox. Specifically what papers have you personally been reading and what networks have you been watching that are not covering the story?

[AZhitman]

On CNN.com, it was hidden in the Politics subsection.

Same with USA Today.

The Arizona Republic had it 6 pages deep.

Here's some more horse crap:

ACORN will work with its advisory council, which includes prominent supporters of President Obama, such as John Podesta, president of the nonprofit Center for American Progress, and Andrew Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, to name an independent auditor and investigator, ACORN chief executive Bertha Lewis said in a written statement.

You can guess how "independent" that auditor will be.

What a sham.

[AZhitman]

...and just as I suspected...

No statement from the Prez. No uproar. WHERE THE F*** is Jesse Jackson's ignorant mug? Where the F*** is Al Sharpton's fat a$$? Where's the NAACP? Where's the ACLU??? How about it, guys??!!! MINORITIES are being exploited and treated as SLAVES by an organization that YOU supported!!!!

Hypocritical pieces of pigeon crap.

There's a special place in hell for all of them - All the ones who demonized Bush for not pandering to the citizens of New Orleans, and yet they act like this ACORN crap never happened.

Whatever.

[dusred]

Acorn is quite hilarious. They released this "defense" from the lady that claimed she killed her husband:

(San Bernardino, CA) -- Today the videographer James O'Keefe's hidden camera "interview" with San Bernardino ACORN organizer Tresa Kaelke, airing repeatedly on Fox "News", including the Glenn Beck show, and on BigGovernment.com, has been caught out in an obvious set of lies and manipulations.

When the actors approached Ms. Kaelke with their provocative costuming and outlandish scenario, she could not take them seriously. So she met their outrageousness with her own personal style of outrageousness. She matched their false scenario with her own false scenarios.

"They were not believable", said Ms. Kaelke of the two actors. "Somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me. Like Stephen Colbert does – saying the most outrageous things with a straightface." While her sense of humor might not be funny to many people, the fact is that she spun false scenario afterfalse scenario and the videographer ate them up.

For example, in response to the set-up by the filmmakers in which they say they are trying get the young woman away from her abusive pimp, she responds that she was abused by her former husband as well (true) and that she shot and killed him (false). He is very much alive and living near Barstow, CA.

However, this is taken as the gospel truth, not just in the film itself, but also by several "news" personalities,indicating that no journalistic standards were applied to making the video or vetting it for broadcast.

Further, as the actors repeatedly noted how nice she was being, Ms Kaelke responded, also repeatedly, that her"niceness" was just her, not ACORN. "My supervisor would shoot this down like faster than a bat out of hell."

When the actors talked about bringing 12-13 year olds in from another country, supposedly because they needed a lot of money fast for a political campaign, Ms. Kaelke said, "You are going to need it for a lawyer!"

These exchanges, which do not appear in the edited film put on BigGovernment.com, call into question the journalistic standards of the film and of any purported news organization that chooses to run them.

Ms. Kaelke, who did not know she was being filmed, is appalled that her defensive attempts to deal with a troubling experience have been manipulated into an attack on her work helping low- and moderate-income families fight the foreclosure crisis, work for needed health care reform, and face the economic crisis in San Bernardino.

Bright hu?

FAIL!

Howie, where are you? Come and defend Acorn will ya?!Z

Here's another one:

September 17, 2009 "We're disappointed that the House took the rare and politically convenient step of attempting to eliminate federal funding for a single organization, one that has been the target of a multi-year political assault stemming variously from the Bush White House[1], Fox News, and other conservative quarters. Fortunately, ACORN derives most of its income from its members and other supporters, so the decision will have little impact on overall operations. The only real victims of today's vote are the families who have benefited from ACORN's important work."

Blaming Bush. I'm glad their using tactics that no liberals have ever tried before .

[AZhitman]

She's so full of crap.

Then again, that's a prerequisite for working for such an unnecessary and useless agency.

[srellim234]

http://www.postchronicle.com/n...shtml

BTW, I missed any in-depth coverage on Fox seriously focusing on the religious war, excesses and use of underage prostitution conducted by Blackwater as our representatives of the U.S. in the Middle East. How much serious play did it get there, or did they treat it as a sideshow or groundless since the use of Blackwater was instigated by the Bush Administration and therefore could do nothing wrong?

[AZhitman]

Steve, you're not stooping to a telcoman-style argument of attempting to deflect a current wrong by bringing up a past one, are you?

You've always eaten at the grown-up table. No reason to change now.

[srellim234]

Not at all. Those actions are not justified by either organization. I'm merely pointing out how poor our news organizations are by only focusing on the opposition instead of the truth, wherever it falls. We have way too many conservatives around here who follow only conservative "news" organizations and way too many liberals around here that follow only liberal "news" organizations. Although many people think they have an open mind, they really don't because their source information is flawed in their favor. They're not listening to things being presented objectively by both sides.

My question was primarily because I never saw any conservative here present the same indignant tone when Blackwater was doing what it was doing at taxpayers' expense. Either you were not getting that side of the news presented to you or you clearly have a double standard based on whether it was a Republican-sympathetic organization or a Democratic one. I would like to believe that the lack of indignation by conservatives to the Blackwater situation was due to lack of properly presented news and not due to the double standards. I think almost everyone here has ethical standards that are too high for that.

[AZhitman]

I'd tend to agree with you for the most part.

FWIW, I don't follow any news source specifically - If I hear some "buzz" and it's of interest to me, I'll research the topic and read up on it, usually from several different sources.

I'll admit I'm a bit ignorant to the incident you speak of, but I'll read up on it.

Regardless, we could dredge up foibles on all sides - But this is here, this is now, and it's important because of the implications...

Remember, this is the organization that our POTUS served as a "community organizer", and the organization his supporters pointed to when detractors called into question his "experience".

[srellim234]

Here's a starting point. This should be plastered around every bit as much as you would like the Acorn one to be, and I agree with you on the Acorn story.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/20...h=980

[telcoman]

Howie, where are you? Come and defend Acorn will ya?!ZBlaming Bush. I'm glad their using tactics that no liberals have ever tried before .

I am not going to defend ACORN anymore than I could defend Mark Sanford.

What they both did was wrong.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32789277/

A number of ACORN workers were fired so lets move on and fix the healthcare problem.

Acorn is not a major problem facing this country right now.

Why is Fox noise fixated on Acorn?

Maybe if they would have carried Obama's speech when he addressed the joint session of congress they wouldn't be on his s#it list.

I suppose you feel it is okay for the CEO's of the major healthcare companies to earn hundreds of millions of dollars per year in salary and bonus while they act as the "death panels" for millions of Amercans?

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

...lets move on and fix the healthcare problem.

How convenient.

Y'know, when terrorists brought their twisted ideologies and hateful acts to US soil, the Left lambasted the POTUS for not acting sooner.

When a monster hurricane devastated an ill-prepared community, the Left drilled the POTUS and levied charges of racism.

When certain execs looted and pillaged their way to a cushy retirement, leaving investors holding the bag, the Left clumped all capitalists and Republicans together as the "evil cause" of their misery.

NOW, we have an organization that's arguably more corrupt than any we've ever seen in history.

They're funded by TAXPAYER MONEY.

Our current POTUS lists them among his sparse references.

Acorn is not a major problem facing this country right now.

Sure it is. I'd argue we have a MAJOR crisis in this country: CHARACTER (or a lack thereof).

(By the way, don't be fooled Howie - Healthcare is NOT a "crisis", and the numbers bear this out. It's a manufactured "crisis du jour" from the Chicken Little party. It's NO more an issue today than it was 2 years ago, period.)

[AZhitman]

...and as an added twist, we have the POTUS saying things like this:

"Obama told ABC's "This Week" in an interview broadcast Sunday that what he saw on the video "was certainly inappropriate and deserves to be investigated." But the president did not say who should investigate. And he said it is not a major national issue he pays much attention to.

"Frankly, it's not really something I've followed closely," Obama said. "I didn't even know that ACORN was getting a whole lot of federal money."

[srellim234]

Why is Fox noise fixated on Acorn?

Maybe if they would have carried Obama's speech when he addressed the joint session of congress they wouldn't be on his s#it list.

You're 100% WRONG, Telco. I watched it on Fox. Immediately after the speech in which Obama said the healthcare CEOs were NOT bad guys, Sean Hannity stated he almost came unglued when the President said they WERE bad guys. When wil the conservatives wake up and get that lying SOB off the air? He hurts their cause with the lies he tells every bit as much as Glenn Beck with his. They only play to a base that doesn't care whether they tell the truth or not and instead blindly accepts what they say.

[dusred]

A number of ACORN workers were fired so lets move on and fix the healthcare problem.

Lets ignore the problem (ACORN) and fix the thing that is working fine (health care), should we?

Quote »Acorn is not a major problem facing this country right now.[/quote]ORLY? Helping 13 year old girls get into the country illegally to be prostitutes to fund a future congressman's campaign fund? NO PROBLEM AT ALL!! I'M ALL FOR IT. Just kidding. That shows that their OK to support corruption in our government and corruption leads to howie's pockets getting emptier and emptier.

Quote »I suppose you feel it is okay for the CEO's of the major healthcare companies to earn hundreds of millions of dollars per year in salary and bonus while they act as the "death panels" for millions of Amercans?[/quote]Yup, I think it's just fine as long as they don't break any laws. And if you were the one making the millions of dollars I would feel fine about it too. I'll tell you a secret, howie, they've given a hell of a lot more money to the government than you have or will in your lifetime. As soon as you get over the "poor picked on me health care guys are making more money than me" attitude then you'll start making progress in your finances. Ignore them and make your own fortune.

[AZhitman]

That's the lefty way, though.

See, they're just coming from their own frame of reference... No one they know EVER made any significant money through hard work and self-sacrifice, so they ASSUME that if you have, you HAD to do it illegally or unethically.

You can't blame the lefties, they're just speaking from their own past experiences and the culture that spawned them.

[srellim234]

Your observation on frame of reference isn't correct, AZ. Many lefties are born into money or recognize that the opportunities don't exist for everyone that existed for them. They simply want to allow others to have the same opportunities. Ted Kennedy was a good example.

Other lefties see situations like Bob Nardelli, who destroyed Home Depot while laying off thousands of rank and file workers in order to pad his own paycheck. By cutting those jobs it looked good on the short term balance sheet and he collected $120 million over six years while actually hurting the company. They finally ran him out in early 2007 but threw him another $210 million payoff on the way out. Those are the CEOs that have done things legally but very unethically in order to pad their own pay at others' expense. Many view the healthcare CEOs and insurance CEOs as doing the same thing as Nardelli right now.

Lefties are not all socialists with totally skewed views of things any more than a stereotype that righties are all nuts who want a Christian based theocracy that will dictate and force their views on others, all the while claiming that if you disagree with them you are un-American.

[dusred]

unethically

Go and look up the meaning of that word and then report back.

[srellim234]

I don't appreciate being addressed like my fifth grader, but if you want the ethics, here it is from page 576 of the Tormont Webster's Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary:

ethics- "the study of the general nature of the morals and of the specific moral choices made by the individual in his relationship with others."

ethical- "In accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong governing a profession."

What Nardelli did was wrong and demonstrated poor morals in his relationship with thousands of employees of his company. Unethical.

What many (not all) of the insurance people are doing in the relationship with their customers would fall into the same class. I guess you could argue that cutting off people in the middle of treatment, denying 1 out of 5 claims and raising rates at exhorbitant rates just because you can in order to inrease profits at your customers' expense is now the accepted principle regarding right and wrong in the healthcare profession, but that's why the healthcare reform issue is on the table. The majority of Americans see it as the wrong behavior and want it changed.

[dusred]

Looks like Acorn is into more sh1t.

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...tnews

More voter fraud.

[audtatious]

Nah, they are simply misunderstood.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

How many ACORN centers are in each State? How many employees do they have?

[n00b240]

O'keefe and his friends commited a slew of felonies while doing all of this. Im shocked he hasnt been made an example of.

...didnt realize this section existed in these forums. Many interesting opinions in here
Modified by n00b240 at 8:50 PM 3/16/2010