The 2011 Formula 1 Thread

[sbird1]

I hope I'm the first to start this thread...

Anyway, so last night was the season opener for F1 in Australia. Red Bull Racing and their affiliate, Infiniti, are looking really good this year. The DRS rules are kinda making me angry, especially with the DQ of both the Sauber cars. Good to see the return of Pirelli and KERS. Should be a good season. I just don't want to have to wait two weeks for Malaysia.

Thoughts?

[RCA]

II am soo excited someone created this...

I am a football fan, I don't care about basketball until it's the last few games of the finals and every other sport makes me yawn (except hockey and Portugal's national soccer team). This year I got sick for about a 2 week period; with out school or work I was looking for entertainment and boy did I find it... I stumbled on a Justin.tv channel streaming F1 racing. The channel broadcasted from the early 80's to the 2009 season as well as documentaries covering F1's history to the 50s. I was immediately hooked and said to myself that I will start following F1. Just the other day I saw an ad on the Speed channel advertising the times to watch and so I had no excuses. So I added the 2011 F1 season calendar to my Google calendar and set aside my Saturday night to watch the season's first race...

To say the least I am excited...

As for the Aussie GP, what happened with the Sauber cars? I saw that they DQed but what happened? Also did any thing come about the Hamilton's aero issues from under his car? The announcers mentioned that it not be a certified and might cause a DQ for him.

[sbird1]

I'm going to have to look into justin.tv, sounds awesome.

Here is the official word on the Sauber's DQ: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 11874.html

As for Hamilton, I don't think there were any technical issues with his car. I don't see anything about it on the F1 site. Also, I thought this was a car enthusiast site... does no one watch F1 in this sad excuse for a country?

[simmode1]

Also, I thought this was a car enthusiast site... does no one watch F1 in this sad excuse for a country?

I do, I just haven't had time to download & watch the BBC torrent yet...

[PEZi]

I was mad about the Sauber DQ as well... the rookie, Perez, made a hell of a debut run!

But... as usual, my man Vettel takes the win!

[flohtingPoint]

Also, I thought this was a car enthusiast site... does no one watch F1 in this sad excuse for a country?

Unfortunately car enthusiast != racing fan. Honestly, I blame SPEED/Fox's HORRIBLE coverage of F1, bad commentary and piss poor production for lack of American interest. I either stream an Italian feed or watch the BBC version (BBC's production is unparalleled).

So yea, lets look at the bad about this season so far:
-KERS: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. KERS was fairly worthless the first time around, seems round two is a repeat. I genuinely hate this silly thing, bring back turbos and a boost button if you want to do it right.
-NO RETURN OF REFUELING! You want overtaking, you need more variables, which refueling gives you. Also, prepare for another boring round of qualifying each race, as without fuel strategies you're guaranteed to have a Red Bull on the front row.
-More stupid money saving. Racing is expensive, stop trying to make gearboxes last an asinine amount of races.
-Cars are about as slow as they were last year. The last REALLY good year of F1 was 2005, back when they had V10's and the cars were behemoths compared to the silly things on the grid now.
-Martin Whitmarsh is still a p***y. Crying about the stewards taking too long to get back to him... Where was that whining last year when the stewards took HALF A DAMNED RACE to give Hamilton a drive through in Valencia after passing the Safety Car???

Now, to focus on the good:
-RACING IS BACK!
-Regardless of the fact that I completely loathe McLaren, they did an amazing job on their car. Their pre-season form was total crap, but they went back to the lab and came out with the cure for Polio.
-My "PLEASE KILL ADRIAN NEWEY" fund is now up to $10.72. Only about 50,000 more dollars until I can hire an assassin to get rid of him and put Red Bull back at the end of the grid.
-The new graphics are awesome! I like the new gauge display and the head to head graphics.
-Malaysia is next. Get your slickers out, kick back with Kimi and have some ice cream cause it's going to be a wet one.

[sbird1]

I was waiting for you to get in here.

Yes, I must agree, the KERS system does seem very insignificant. Hell, Vettel didn't even use it in his qualifying run. I don't know if I like the 107% rule either. It keeps the non contenders out, but it's ridiculous to spend all of that time and money and not be able to be in the race. I'm hoping Alonso and Massa can get in the game in Malaysia as their debut was rather poor. I'm looking forward to a great season.

Also, I agree 100% about going back to the V10's. They V8's are still awesome pieces of engineering, but they leave something to be desired.

[alms24sebring]

Its funny cuz RCA was just talking about this. I haven't watched F1 since early 2007 I think, when the rules changed drastically to using only 1 set of tires the entire race(except blown tires were acceptable, but I think only even 1 was allowed). 2004-06 were some of the greatest racing seasons ever, but the rules have just gotten way out of hand IMO.

The reason why they change so much is to make the cars slower for safety. They were making like 800hp+ with the V10s so they dropped it to V8, but technology brought the power back. I can understand slowing the cars down but using only 1 set of tires, very limited aero, and now only 1 tank of fuel!? (I know they change every year). It just doesnt make it as fun for me knowing they cant go as fast as they could be. Why can't they just limit the power to <650hp or so or add weight restrictions?? The idea of no refuel just turns me off instantly.

As far as the KERS, I hate the idea. I know when it first came out it weighed the car down ALOT, so the small boost of energy was meaningless. I think it hurt the times overall. If it was small and/or more efficient, then maybe, but I dont think it belongs in the first place.

Like I said I really havent watched it in a couple years. I will have to disagree and say that SPEED does a good job, but FOX does suck lol. I will try and check it out since apparently Sundays are now a waste of 24 hrs because of the Football lockout.

And what's this I hear about Michael coming back and not winning, hurting his legacy what, last year? Superstars really need to quit doing that.

[flohtingPoint]

Like I said I really havent watched it in a couple years. I will have to disagree and say that SPEED does a good job, but FOX does suck lol. I will try and check it out since apparently Sundays are now a waste of 24 hrs because of the Football lockout.

SPEED and Fox are the same broadcast, Fox owns Speed. The people that host it, Bob Varsha and David Hobbs, are total morons. Last year, Hobbs literally confused the Ferrari garage for the Williams garage and also thought Frank was in there himself.

The reason why they change so much is to make the cars slower for safety. They were making like 800hp+ with the V10s so they dropped it to V8, but technology brought the power back. I can understand slowing the cars down but using only 1 set of tires, very limited aero, and now only 1 tank of fuel!? (I know they change every year).

Very wrong, the cars dont change so much to make them slower for safety. Safety is always a concern and has been since the double death weekend in '94, but they change so much because of cost cutting, trying to add parity and the want for more overtaking. The cars produce too much dirty air that overtaking is excruciatingly hard at this moment in time.

BBC's broadcasts and production are top notch. They do such a great job with their edits and content that they never cease to impress... They massively put every other broadcast to serious shame.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXThxzl_ciw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkzMQv9nfI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYTwmKOHcGY[/youtube]

[RCA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXThxzl_ciw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYkzMQv9nfI

At first when reading your "FOX/Speed rant" I thought, "It couldn't be that bad?"

That first video gave me some serious goosebumps. Insane.

The second made me nearly cry when listening to Vettle bellow out every ouch of emotion after winning the driver's cup... Stunning, just stunning.

[alms24sebring]

I didnt know that Fox and Speed were one in the same. I think Ive only seen a race or 2 on Fox, years ago so I cant quite recall. At the same time I have never watched a race on BBC network but I dont doubt you. They may be dry in the comedy area, but one of their greatest specialties are knowing machines on wheels.

Idk, I still wanna disagree on the argument of safety vs ability to overtake. Its up the the drivers' skills and mechanics of the car to overtake. Limiting to only 2 sets of tires, 1 being a low grip hard compound, and only 1 full tank screams indirectly restricting balls to the walls, dont give an F about anything but first racing to me. I think these cars are plainly just getting too fast for comfort from officials. Drivers may be able to handle it to a cartain point and maybe want more, but the bottom line is that if something goes wrong at a high speed, and it does, the most valuable part is the human life at the center. The drivers know the risk of high speed racing, its always been a factor in all kinds of racing.

Great vids too, the 3rd one was sexy.

[Bubba1]

I didnt know that Fox and Speed were one in the same. I think Ive only seen a race or 2 on Fox, years ago so I cant quite recall. At the same time I have never watched a race on BBC network but I dont doubt you. They may be dry in the comedy area, but one of their greatest specialties are knowing machines on wheels.

Idk, I still wanna disagree on the argument of safety vs ability to overtake. Its up the the drivers' skills and mechanics of the car to overtake. Limiting to only 2 sets of tires, 1 being a low grip hard compound, and only 1 full tank screams indirectly restricting balls to the walls, dont give an F about anything but first racing to me. I think these cars are plainly just getting too fast for comfort from officials. Drivers may be able to handle it to a cartain point and maybe want more, but the bottom line is that if something goes wrong at a high speed, and it does, the most valuable part is the human life at the center. The drivers know the risk of high speed racing, its always been a factor in all kinds of racing.

Great vids too, the 3rd one was sexy.

I personally don't have that much of a problem with David Hobbs. As a former driver, he has plenty of knowledge and insight making him a decent analyst. I think the bigger problem is the races themselves are boring, which requires more of an entertainer to make it interesting than an analyst.

I also think technology is ruining the ability to overtake and making F1 more painful to watch. From downshifts measured in milliseconds, to non-fading ceramic brakes, to extreme airflow management have made on track passing more rare in F1, Pit stops have become the primary way to change positions. to me, F1 might feature some of the world's finest drivers and technologically advanced cars, but a dang low budget Spec miata race is more entertaining to watch.

[flohtingPoint]

Idk, I still wanna disagree on the argument of safety vs ability to overtake. Its up the the drivers' skills and mechanics of the car to overtake. Limiting to only 2 sets of tires, 1 being a low grip hard compound, and only 1 full tank screams indirectly restricting balls to the walls, dont give an F about anything but first racing to me. I think these cars are plainly just getting too fast for comfort from officials. Drivers may be able to handle it to a cartain point and maybe want more, but the bottom line is that if something goes wrong at a high speed, and it does, the most valuable part is the human life at the center. The drivers know the risk of high speed racing, its always been a factor in all kinds of racing.

They're not limited to only two sets of tires. Last year the only difference between the two sets was about .3-.5 seconds per lap, the hard compound is far from a low grip.

Overtaking is a massive concern of F1, they even have an organization which it's only purpose is to produce more overtaking in the sport (google OWG F1). Read up on the changes in 2009 (which were massive), 2010 and 2011, just about every one of them circle around wanting to bring back more overtaking.

I personally don't have that much of a problem with David Hobbs. As a former driver, he has plenty of knowledge and insight making him a decent analyst. I think the bigger problem is the races themselves are boring, which requires more of an entertainer to make it interesting than an analyst.

Like I said, the guy literally thought the Ferrari garage was the Williams garage AND that Frank Williams was in there. Lets just say that even if he cant tell the difference between red and blue, the total lack of wheelchair in the picture might be a good clue that Frank wasn't in the shot. Hobbs makes these monstrous gaffes all the time. He calls drivers "Phil Massa" and "Bob Kubica", he NEVER knows the difference between the cars in the midfield to back of the pack (when all you have to do is simply memorize who is running a red "T" and who is running a yellow "T", not that hard, especially since I already memorize them during the first FP) commonly saying Buemi when Jaime is in the car or Trulli when it's actually Heikki, he's always making up extremely bad responses to questions he doesn't know the answer to, etc. The thing that's worse is that Varsha has to correct him from time to time when he makes REALLY big mistakes...

Now, you look at the BBC, they have Martin Brundle and David Coulthard. One guy who went toe to toe with Senna for his entire career (was even a rival of his in the lower Formula's) and the guy who actually got a seat in F1 because Senna died. Between them you have over 300 GP's logged, a man that's an agent in F1 itself (and a legend in F1 broadcasting) and someone that has been a key part in bringing home three championships for McLaren. They're both there all race weekend, they know all the backstories of everyone and they very ingrained with the teams in terms of getting interviews with the Race Engineers or Team Principals. Hell, last year in Japan, when they had massive rain, McLaren even let the BBC crew setup shop in their facility at the track.

If I have to watch a race on Speed, I'll DVR it, then mute the sound and play my MP3 of whatever the 5Live radio broadcast is for that weekend.

[Bubba1]

Oh, I agree Brundle and Coulthard are probably more familiar with the current F1 technology and current crop of F1 drivers, and Hobbs has not raced competitively in 30(?) years, as he's 70+. But that does not make Hobbs any less an expert. His resume is impressive. Coultard may have competed against Senna, but Hobbs competed against Sir Jackie Stewart and Dan Gurney. The man has credentials.

I think part of what makes Hobbs entertaining are the gaffes that you take issue with. I guess you take F1 coverage far more seriously than me.

For example, If you ever watched/listened to NY Mets baseball, one of their most beloved color commentators was Ralph Kiner, an old former player (Hall of Famer, but not many people outside NY seem to know who he is). He was not a good orator and made frequent embarrassing mispronunciations and errors to the point they became known as "Kinerisms". There were many purists that took issue with Kiner, but there was no question the man knew baseball and it was always entertaining to listen to his experiences, even more so with his blunders.Sound familiar?

[flohtingPoint]

Oh, I agree Brundle and Coulthard are probably more familiar with the current F1 technology and current crop of F1 drivers, and Hobbs has not raced competitively in 30(?) years, as he's 70+. But that does not make Hobbs any less an expert. His resume is impressive.

Yes, it definitely makes Hobbs a far less of an expert. Hobbs competed in 6 F1 races, just 6 (only two more than Yuji Ide, who is perhaps the worst F1 driver of all time), none of that is impressive. Scott Speed is more of an expert than Hobbs.

I think part of what makes Hobbs entertaining are the gaffes that you take issue with. I guess you take F1 coverage far more seriously than me.

I just have a very hard time listening to someone that knows far less about F1 than I do. He brings nothing to the table that I didn't already know. It's very clear that he doesn't take his job seriously in the least. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsports, it's not a place for hacks.

[Bubba1]

Let's see. He won the Trans-am series championship in 1983, he won the US Formula 5000 Continental L&M series by winning 5 of the 8 races in one year, he was invited to drive in the 1976 IROC, has qualified/competed at the Indy 500, competed in the 24 hr LeMans about 20 times, where he finished 8th overall in his first attempt. he's also raced in IMSA, Can-Am, and even NASCAR Winston Cup. You must agree it takes some serious skills to qualify for just one of those series. He was good enough to do them all. He also worked for 3 F1 teams, (BRM, Honda, McLaren), and has known most of the major players in F1 personally over the last 30 years. But since he started only 6 F1 races in particular, you conclude he's the sport's 2nd worst driver and that you know more about the sport than he does? Uh, BZZZZT. It's not surprising you know what he talks about on TV. As a tv commentator, he has to make F1 understandable to fans of ALL levels, not just knowledgeable ones like you.

I get it that you don't like him. That's fine. My point is if you look impartially at his resume and experience, and compare it to yours, a rational person will conclude he knows more about the sport than you do. He's clearly not a hack. I'm sorry. But if it's any consolation, I will happily admit you know more about F1 than me.

[sbird1]

Just finished watching the Malaysia GP and... wow, what a race. The FIA wanted more passing and whatnot and it sure happened this time. I'm really impressed by the Renault team. That start for Heidfeld was amazing. And, as before, the Red Bulls look amazing. Vettel is the man! Also, I'm overjoyed at Lewis Hamilton's misfortune. That guy bugs the hell out of me.

[RCA]

I'm really impressed by the Renault team.

Also poor Mark Webber... again.


Like a Boss:

[sbird1]

That pic of Petrov's car in midair is my current Facebook pic. :-)

[RCA]

I stumbled on a Justin.tv channel streaming F1 racing. The channel broadcasted from the early 80's to the 2009 season as well as documentaries covering F1's history to the 50s....

I'm going to have to look into justin.tv, sounds awesome.

I found it. The original was taken down. Replaying Malaysia 2011 as of now.
http://www.justin.tv/bwass244_3#/w/1069796080/8

Also:
This is pretty cool...
http://sportscararchives.com/

[flohtingPoint]

Vitaly is MASSIVELY lucky that no suspension broke or he'd have been in for a ghost-ride from hell.

I can definitely tell you that I HATE DRS. The overtakes look massively forced...

[D1SR240]

-Malaysia is next. Get your slickers out, kick back with Kimi and have some ice cream cause it's going to be a wet one.

Haha, that made me laugh.

So far this season has been pretty interesting. And it looks very promising for an exciting season.

Personally, I don't like KERS nor DRS. I understand where they are coming from in regards to F1 being on the technological forefront, and implementing F1 technology in everyday road cars. In that regard the implementation of KERS makes sense. However, from an enthusiasts stand point I would much rather see a the return of turbocharged engines and a "boost" button instead of a "KERS" button on the steering wheel. Speaking of the steering wheel, let's get rid of the "DRS" button as well. I agree with floathingPoint, it makes overtaking look much too forced and too easy. If I want to see race cars passing each other on a straight a dozen times a race I'll go watch Nascar.

Exciting overtaking isn't getting a slip stream and then sling shooting past the guy in front of you on a straight away. Real overtaking isn't hitting a button to adjust the angle of your rear wing and passing the guy in front of you on a straight. Exciting overtaking isn't about hitting a button to get an extra 80bhp from some batteries in your car. Overtaking is much more than that. Exciting overtaking happens when a man and his machine become one. When perfect harmony hits, and the right opportunity is created. Buttons aren't pressed, instead testicles turn into steel. The move is planned many moments before, and the driver creates the right opportunity to strike. Limits aren't reached, they are exceeded. This is real overtaking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2o1klPy5dU

I would rather see one overtake like this per race, than dozens of artificially created ones.

With that being said, like many of those who follow F1, I think the biggest contributor to the excitement this season is the switch to Pirelli tires. No re-fueling, and having to change tires only once per race (like last year) doesn't require great pit strategy. Now though, we're seeing anywhere between 2 to 4 pit stops a race, and pit strategy is once again becoming important. Let's bring back re-fueling while we're at it.

The Chinese Grand Prix was very exciting. I'm glad someone besides a Red Bull finally took the top step of the podium, and even though I'm not a huge Webber fan, I must say his drive from 18th to 3rd was impressive. Can't wait to see what Turkey will bring.

My biggest disappointment with the 2011 season is that Kubica is not in it. He is an absolute joy to watch and is by far my favorite driver. A real racer, who doesn't get involved with all the political BS but just brings motor sport passion to the table. I wish him a full and speedy recovery, and hope to see him on the grid again next year.

[flohtingPoint]

This is real overtaking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2o1klPy5dU

For all intents and purposes, that's not real overtaking anymore. The aero on those cars is so far from what we have today and the motors are so far different to this day and age, that may as well be ethereal. There is also a MASSIVE technological difference between those two cars. Nobody is going to get overtaken at oppo-lock these days, wont happen. BUT, lets not forget, those are cars from the turbo monster era, the had an "I win" button in the boost button. Buttons for enhancements have been around for decades already.

My problem with buttons for things is that they dont have a drawback. The boost button had a massive drawback in that you could destroy your whole race. With KERS and DRS, there is no drawback to hitting that button. They're also all pretty much the same. The FIA gives a set regulation for what the max/min incline of the wing should be and how long KERS can be deployed that it's offsetting at best. The thought behind it is a step in the right direction, the deployment of it, however, is not.

I share your same view on Robert, especially given the product that Renault/Lotus/whatever they want to call themselves, has put on the grid. Robert has been a favorite of mine for a while now, he's one of the few drivers not wearing red that I pull for. Also, given the fact that he's one of the few drivers on the grid that Fernando can be friendly with is a plus.

[D1SR240]

For all intents and purposes, that's not real overtaking anymore. The aero on those cars is so far from what we have today and the motors are so far different to this day and age, that may as well be ethereal. There is also a MASSIVE technological difference between those two cars. Nobody is going to get overtaken at oppo-lock these days, wont happen. BUT, lets not forget, those are cars from the turbo monster era, the had an "I win" button in the boost button. Buttons for enhancements have been around for decades already.

Oh yea, today's aero and technology make a pass like that impossible. I was just being a little nostalgic : )

My problem with buttons for things is that they dont have a drawback. The boost button had a massive drawback in that you could destroy your whole race. With KERS and DRS, there is no drawback to hitting that button. They're also all pretty much the same. The FIA gives a set regulation for what the max/min incline of the wing should be and how long KERS can be deployed that it's offsetting at best. The thought behind it is a step in the right direction, the deployment of it, however, is not.

Once again, I agree. It's not a variable cost/benefit situation. Everyone can use KERS for the same amount of time, and everyone can slot their wings the same amount, in the same location of the track. Even limiting the number of times per race (not per lap) that you can use each button would require more strategy.

I share your same view on Robert, especially given the product that Renault/Lotus/whatever they want to call themselves, has put on the grid. Robert has been a favorite of mine for a while now, he's one of the few drivers not wearing red that I pull for. Also, given the fact that he's one of the few drivers on the grid that Fernando can be friendly with is a plus.

If I recall correctly Fernando was the first driver to visit Robert in the hospital. The good thing is that his recovery seems to be going well, at least according to the reports. Doctor's are impressed by his quick progress. It's still too early to tell when/if he'll be back, but I'm definitely rooting for him. I would have loved to see him maximize the R31, that he so much helped to develop, to the fullest potential.

Anyone going to any races this year? I'll be attending the race in Montreal in June if anyone wants to meet up.

[flohtingPoint]

For all intents and purposes, that's not real overtaking anymore. The aero on those cars is so far from what we have today and the motors are so far different to this day and age, that may as well be ethereal. There is also a MASSIVE technological difference between those two cars. Nobody is going to get overtaken at oppo-lock these days, wont happen. BUT, lets not forget, those are cars from the turbo monster era, the had an "I win" button in the boost button. Buttons for enhancements have been around for decades already.

Oh yea, today's aero and technology make a pass like that impossible. I was just being a little nostalgic : )

I'm Mr. Nostalgic, so I can totally relate. I have dreams probably once or twice a month that Prost didn't get cut off by Senna and took home a title from Ferrari.

If I recall correctly Fernando was the first driver to visit Robert in the hospital. The good thing is that his recovery seems to be going well, at least according to the reports. Doctor's are impressed by his quick progress. It's still too early to tell when/if he'll be back, but I'm definitely rooting for him. I would have loved to see him maximize the R31, that he so much helped to develop, to the fullest potential.

Anyone going to any races this year? I'll be attending the race in Montreal in June if anyone wants to meet up.

You recall correctly. Alonso is a s***head that very little people like (aside from myself), but he was first in line to visit Robert in the hospital. Fernando is a bastard because the job demands you be one, in real life he is a different person.

I was planning on going to Montreal this year but I have a two day karting event to attend during that time. Next year I plan on doing Canada and Austin.

[sbird1]

<<< SOOO excited for Austin. I fully plan to go.

[D1SR240]

You recall correctly. Alonso is a s***head that very little people like (aside from myself), but he was first in line to visit Robert in the hospital. Fernando is a bastard because the job demands you be one, in real life he is a different person.

I always kind of liked Fernando, and now that Robert is out this season Fernando is the main driver I root for on this year's grid. Personally, I think Fernando has such a bad rap partly because of the heavy British presence and influence in F1 media and coverage. When Fernando and Lewis had their moments in 2007 Fernando was always painted as the villain because Lewis is British and Fernando is not. Think about when great engineers are mentioned, Brawn and Newey are always in the spot light (both British and both great engineers), yet Rory Byrne's name is hardly ever mentioned because he's South African. That's partially why I think Fernando has such a negative image in English speaking countries. I do think as a professional he has grown. Off the track he appears much more professional and mature today than he did 3 - 4 years ago. Just my $.02.

I was planning on going to Montreal this year but I have a two day karting event to attend during that time. Next year I plan on doing Canada and Austin.

I will be at both races next year.

On paper Ausitn looks like a good track. The elevation change going into turn 1 is appears similar to Eau Rogue. Turns 3, 4, and 5 remind me of Maggots/Becketts at Silverstone. And turns 16, 17, 18 look to mirror the neck snapping turn 8 in Instanbul but going clockwise instead of counter-clockwise. However, more than one Tilkes track has been a dissapointment before, so I'm not getting my hopes up about the actual layout of the track until I see the actual race.

[alms24sebring]

Ahh I will die to see an F1 race. I would also die a second time to watch and ALMS race

Speaking of overtaking, I can recall once where M. Schumacher overtook for 1st in one of the last chicanes of the last lap. It was a tight chicane and soooo close but dam if the master didn't get it. Another one was a race where I dont remember if it was MS or not (dont think so), but the VERY LAST chicane of the whole race, they overtook and landed the checkered flag. I couldnt find either on youtube nor could I remember the tracks. Thats was some good F1 right there!

[flohtingPoint]

Alonso speaks on the beginning of the season

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0uAP_XxjXk[/youtube]

[sbird1]

Thanks for posting that. I'm expecting the rest of the season to go better for Ferrari. Should be fun.