Texas schoolkids get your spy chip here

[themadscientist]

Don't say nothing, wear your spychip here
If you don't agree we'll kick you out of here
Cuz now we train youuuuu, to do what your told and never stand up, to authority

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57441 ... rfid-tags/

"We want to harness the power of (the) technology to make schools safer, know where our students are all the time in a school, and increase revenues," school district spokesman Pascual Gonzalez told the Express-News.

Yeah, chip em, like dogs. Get em early enough and they won't have time to develop the wisdom that they are being herded like cattle.

[Bubba1]

that's amusing. I suppose zapper collars to keep the kids on school property might be next.

[bigbadberry3]

I'm OK with it. If they only have the student's name what's the big deal? As a teacher, you can get directly into teaching without having to take attendance

[stebo0728]

Please GOD lets not get so airtight a**hole that we get the same sorta HIPPA laws for education as we do healthcare now!

[WDRacing]

We should only chip "at risk" children. The chip also needs to be able to shock the childs CNS. While we're at it, why don't we chip criminals? Seriously...why don't we? Depending on the crime, sex offender and such on up to murderer. Maybe those neck restraints like in total recall?

[themadscientist]

I would like to see congressmen chiped and have the chip shock them any time they cross into K-street.

[Bubba1]

I would like to see congressmen chiped and have the chip shock them any time they cross into K-street.

I 'd like to see them install zapper collars on all candidates/incumbants that have a dye explode with bright color each time they lie. OF course we'd have a very colorful congress.

[BusyBadger]

I 'd like to see them install zapper collars on all candidates/incumbants that have a dye explode with bright color each time they lie. OF course we'd have a very colorful congress.

The spin would be something like...

"And in other news, In an effort to identify with the common man the once popular suit and tie look on The Hill has taken a back seat to a more laid back look..."

[bigbadberry3]

So, would someone explain why this is a bad thing?

[themadscientist]

Chipping your kids for inventory purposes like products in the supermarket ?

[bigbadberry3]

Chipping your kids for inventory purposes like products in the supermarket ?

Trying to manage and locate young adults is not the same as trying to keep tabs on a delicious carrot.

[themadscientist]

It's called doing your job. When I was in school they never seemed to have any trouble and we were'nt forced to carry invasive techno tags. If teachers and administrators can't manage kids' presence without chipping them like stray dogs then they need to find a different line of work. It sounds more like a prison than a place of learning.

Follow the money.

"We want to harness the power of (the) technology to make schools safer, know where our students are all the time in a school, and increase revenues ," school district spokesman Pascual Gonzalez told the Express-News.

It does seem a shame that money is mentioned in all of this. One might have been able to understand it if this was purely a safety issue, but clearly it isn't. Indeed, in Houston, two school districts already enjoy this technology and it has reportedly brought them hundreds of thousands of extra dollars.

The Northside district, Kens 5 News says, loses $175,000 a day because of late or absent kids.

So, kids ARE a commodity to these people and just like a supermaket RFID chip they want to watch that carrot.

[stebo0728]

RFID chip?!? Its the mark of the beast i tell ya!! LOL

[themadscientist]

That argument carries no weight with me as I don't subscribe to the belief system that would predicate fear of the enumerated prophesies and consequenses. I am concerned first and foremost about personal liberty and tagging a human being like a product or an animal is a terrible precedent to set.

Most important, what is on the card? A name? More? Anything on the card is able to be stolen so what are they proposing to record on these cards? Like your new RFID passport? Better be careful with it. http://www.wired.com/science/discoverie ... ntPage=all

If somebody can capture the info, what can they do with it? Depending on what is on the card they could steal a student's identity or harvest data for the purpose of abducting them.

For these risks they promise accountability of the students. Really? If the teachers are so ****ing dense they don't know when all their kids are in the classroom, just give your buddy your card and "go to school" in his wallet. Tomorrow you do the same. Leave the card at home because you don't want to be tracked or you just forgot and you are now truant. How? Remember those dumb teachers? They can't verify you were they because they are to stupid to know who you are.

We can't have that now. We need some way that they can't defeat. See where we are going now? Ankle bracelet? Implant? Sounds crazy, but how else to you make absolutely sure your nifty system works 100%.

The really creepy thing is, by starting with young, malleable minds you can get them used to giving up their essential freedoms of their persons for the convenience and service of their institutions of authority early. Those kids grow up into adults who come to expect such intrusive bull**** and who demand it for their children who never knew a time without it.

People will make foil hat comments, but think about how much personal information is harvested from you every day. How much of it truly, TRULY benefits you to a greater degree than the privacy you relinquished in exchange. How much of it is voluntary? Not a whole hell of a lot. Think about 30 years ago. How much more privacy did you or, for those too young, someone you know enjoy? How did we get from there to here? Babysteps. It happens gradually.

NO. **** your chip.

You want to check the classroom and see if my kid is there, look up mother****er!

I'm not going to allow you to chip them so they can be scanned like groceries going across the check out aisle.

Trust me. You would know if they were there. Look for the kid questioning your knowledge and not mindlessly doing what their told if it's friggin stupid, possibly taking their desk apart to combat boredom.

I'll let the ACLU have their take.
http://www.aclu.org/blog/content/dont-l ... -your-kids

[BusyBadger]

RFID chip?!? Its the mark of the beast i tell ya!! LOL

Actually, this would be the one thing that will almost certainly get this whole idea tossed out, conscientious religious objection. Because, face it, the only way this works is if you actually chip the person - if you chip the ID there's nothing to prevent a student carrying another student's ID to class. The teachers are obviously too busy to actually take attendance and get involved with the students at an individual level (hence the chip reducing them to a number), and since computers never make mistakes no one would dare question the validity of the attendance roster.

Besides the overly obvious "Mark of the Beast" reference for Christians, both Judaism (and Christianity if they're following the Old Testament, Lev. 19:28) and Islam prohibit marking the body as in both religions it's seen as modifying God's creation. There is also the Islam prohibition against self-inflicted pain as well...

...I wonder if you live long enough to feel pain from a suicide vest.

[themadscientist]

No pain, just curiosity as it goes off. "wait, am I an ***hole?"

[Bubba1]

Chipping your kids for inventory purposes like products in the supermarket ?

Assuming there are no physical side effects of the implants, knowing exactly where a child is can be good thing in certain circumstances, like for truancy. But not so good if the wrong people have access to the it, like predators. For example, 0ne bad experience like that could translate to a bankrupt school from a victim lawsuit for providing a molester exact id (or perhaps location depending on the type of chip) for his victims.

I think two other big questions include

1. does the "solution" fix a significant problem to warrant the expense? (like the state issued photo voter id silliness). How many actual cases of missing children from school are there in a year? I imagine very few.
2. If lojacking kids is being used to compensate for lazy/incompetent school employees, those same people would be using the new equipment. What makes one think they won't use it as incompetently? would it be easier and less expensive to train/hire more dilligent and competent employees?

[themadscientist]

I'm not for lojacking kids either. Human beings are not products, commodities or property to be tagged, period.

[stebo0728]

I remember the religious outrage when barcode scanning came about, "oh they're gonna make us all get a barcode tattoo!!"

All that silly stuff aside, I am with TMS on this one. I think he's enumerated the opposition pretty well. Carry on good sir.

[themadscientist]

I saw people in the Corps getting what were called "meat tags" which were tattoos with personal information on them like you might find on dog tags. that s*** really creeped me out.

[Marenta]

Human beings are not products, commodities or property to be tagged, period.

Anybody who has ever served in the military knows that this is a line of BS. Never once in my 8 years was I treated like a person, always like a sheep or robot, there to do a job, nothing more.

[WDRacing]

You're a human until you willingly sign away your rights. Don't put it on the military, you were never forced to sign anything.

[stebo0728]

Also, in terms of employment, you are an asset. No you personally, but what you offer the company that employs you is the asset, but that value is inextricably tied to you as a person. I don't know that I would agree with companies RFID'ing their employees, but then again, if you don't want that treatment you dont HAVE to work there. That becomes a bit tougher to sell though when an entire industry adopts this method, and you can't find work in your expertise without giving in. Still, people recalibrate themselves and their abilities all the time. I wont say its exactly the same, but its quite similar to companies taking out insurance policies against the death or disability of a nearly irreplaceable employee or executive.

[themadscientist]

Human beings are not products, commodities or property to be tagged, period.

Anybody who has ever served in the military knows that this is a line of BS. Never once in my 8 years was I treated like a person, always like a sheep or robot, there to do a job, nothing more.

And where do you think my outrage and readiness to draw a hard line in the sand comes from?

[bigbadberry3]

It's called doing your job. When I was in school they never seemed to have any trouble and we were'nt forced to carry invasive techno tags. If teachers and administrators can't manage kids' presence without chipping them like stray dogs then they need to find a different line of work. It sounds more like a prison than a place of learning.

Back in the old days

Anyways, with schools now clearing over 5000 students on a single campus, being able to track down specific students using trips would be good even for such trivial things such as passes. Being able to make sure no one is in the locker room un atteneded is a good thing or during a fire drils or school emergency / lockdown.

As to putting things on the chip, all I would want is a name. Students are already REQUIRED to have a school ID on them at all times.