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Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:36 pm
This truck is an object lesson in wrongs that OTHER BRANDS ALREADY LEARNED. Why is Tesla making other people's mistakes after the lesson was already proven? There are two answers: either they're idiots, or--far more likely--THOSE THINGS DON'T MATTER if you're not trying to sell an F150.
This thing is basically an electric, RWD Ridgeline. Let's run it down, shall we?
NOT body-on-frame (stated as a structural exoskeleton, whatever that means)
NO separate bed
Stupidly high bedsides for the sake of looking different.
Obsession with being different from "same old same old trucks"
Sacrificing bed space for cab space
Horrible interior, by any metric
Yep. It's a Ridgeline. A half-ton Ridgeline.
So that leads me to two conclusions:
1: For all the bluster and benchmarking against the F150, this truck is NOT directed at TRUCK buyers. It's directed at pickup, or ute buyers. It's aimed at people who buy Ridgelines, or would have bought a Baja, or an Escalade EXT, or will be watching the upcoming Hyundai crossover ute with great interest. It might have payload and towing specs to brag about, but they're superficial. This thing is intended to do one thing and one thing only: haul the family to the grocery store with the option of picking up a tree or a bike on the way home once a year.
Or, more concisely: it's designed to be exactly what Crossovers are to gasoline sedans: the optimization of packaging on a larger footprint to allow more people space, more cargo space, and more fuel space while offering better all-weather manners.
The Model X might be Tesla's first crossover, but THIS THING is the culmination of their tech. THIS is where the triple-motor tech comes home. THIS is where the battery packaging engineering lessons reach fruition. This thing is THE Tesla. It's built for a market where a go everywhere, do anything, comfy family hauler with no emissions and no range anxiety is king. It's more affordable than even the model 3, especially on a vehicle-for-dollar level. It's more practical. It's more versatile.
2: Tesla has no eye on any commercial market segments. No job site will ever purchase such an impractical truck, regardless of what the towing or payload specs are. Ask anyone who uses a truck for work and they'll tell you bedsides they can't reach over are a dealbreaker. Why do you think you never see brodozers at job sites? They're completely useless status symbols, not workhorses. There's also a reason you never see short bed trucks on work sites. And why a 4.3 V6 is the best-loved engine. And why 2wd is pretty much all you need. Work trucks are used for three things: Hauling smelly, dirty workers with no regard for upholstery, hauling dirty, heavy s*** with no regard for bodywork, and serving as mobile workbenches. This thing does none of those. It's designed for the opposite of all of those. It's designed to be a Ridgeline.
This thing isn't a workhorse. It's heavy-duty, sure, but only by nature of its more modern construction and powertrain. It doesn't NEED to be. But they're gonna brag about it. But remember Mitsubishi bragged about the dents in the Eclipse's door being strength and crash safety bonuses. The fact that it's there doesn't mean it's significant.
Both of which tell us that this truck is for average families who spend way too much on pickups that are frankly horribly suited to the use case, mechanically, but perfectly suited to the use case design-wise. This one lacks the former, and unlike gasoline unibody crossovers, it doesn't trade utility for engineering compromise. Instead of a repurposed Camry with a cramped engine bay and a s***, weak, lightweight AWD system with diff housings that could fit in one of my Corvair's tiny cylinders, you have a purpose-built utility pickup (NOT a truck. It's not a truck.) that is able to, thanks to the electric powertrain, exist as a design study rather than a design compromise. The truck is ALL about the packaging. So much so that styling was sacrificed, which probably led to early design studies that looked crudely like what we saw on stage, at which point Musk decided they should capitalize on that to set themselves apart, because that's absolutely necessary in the half-ton pickup segment.
Except that they're not gunning for the half-ton pickup segment at all. They're gunning for grandma's minivan, your uncle's Escalade EXT, and your neighbor's Ridgeline. AND they're gunning for Model X buyers, Model S buyers, AND model 3 buyers. AND they're gunning for everyone with a Traverse or an Acadia or a Pilot.
It's the only car Tesla needs to make, if they get it right. And their own benchmark of choice proves it: if Ford stopped selling EVERYTHING ELSE, the F150 would still carry them. And a lot of people wouldn't even notice.
Now what's interesting is you CANNOT say that about Toyota, or Nissan. Because they are playing in the half-ton market as newcomers.
Now Honda again proves the point through lessons learned: you have NO ground to gain by fighting the F150. Claiming to be a half-ton, or claiming tow ratings, or claiming to be a big, bad, scary big-boy truck like the others only sets you up to be proven wrong. But playing in your own field? Capitalizing on the appeal of engineering and packaging without the expectations of a Real Truck, and without the handicaps of internal combustion packaging? THAT is an unwritten book. It's free game for anyone with the resources to play.
Honda could absolutely NOT survive on Ridgeline sales alone. Why? Because Honda's game is not trucks, or pickups, or utes. Hell, it's not really even Crossovers. So they can't stand tall enough in any of those categories. But the Civic? That's unchallenged.
This is Tesla's Civic, but it's also Tesla's F150 and Tesla's Ridgeline and Tesla's Escalade and--Hell--it's even Tesla's GTR. Seating for parents and kids. Storage for stuff. Cheap to commute in. Practical when you need it. Able to haul the trailer. Fancy enough to impress. Fast as s***. AND it's cheaper than a goddamn Acura RLX, which does virtually none of that s***.
I'm not sure what to make of the styling, other than it was clearly guided by a combination of unchecked eccentricity and platform optimization. But I am sure that if it works, it's Tesla's mainstay, and while the media talks about them competing with other upcoming electric pickups, Tesla knows none of them matter, because they'll be too busy fighting the F150 to even notice the CyberTruck's buyers.