Teabagers You cannot have your country back

[telcoman]

Not after what you've done twice

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...-back

Telcoman

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Eh, it's DailyKos. They probably staged the whole thing to push their agenda.

[bobotech]

LOL

DailyKos.

Snicker.

[szh]

Maybe the British should come take their country back?

After all, the first Boston Tea Party was against them.

Z

[UpStar]

Its nice to see people who share the same common interest even if it’s a complete waste of time and only cost 4.95 per copy.

I bet the goon with the red cap is still processing the whole thought of his moderate democrat moderate / conservative view idea while still paying the $4.95 for the Palin book. Suckers! If they only knew what Sarah Palin stood for they would not be out there forking over the $4.95 for the book. In all fairness…. I'm sure I'll buy the book and marvel over all the pretty pictures that are in it, but I'll wait 3 months to pick it up at a local garage sale for 25 cents

[telcoman]

Its nice to see people who share the same common interest even if it’s a complete waste of time and only cost 4.95 per copy.

I bet the goon with the red cap is still processing the whole thought of his moderate democrat moderate / conservative view idea while still paying the $4.95 for the Palin book. Suckers! If they only knew what Sarah Palin stood for they would not be out there forking over the $4.95 for the book. In all fairness…. I'm sure I'll buy the book and marvel over all the pretty pictures that are in it, but I'll wait 3 months to pick it up at a local garage sale for 25 cents

Read this instead.

http://www.randomhouse.com/spi...lange/

You'll laugh your a$$ off

[Cold_Zero]

Howie,Why don't you lay off watching Rick Maddow for a while. It is beginning to rot your brain man. I really have no tolerance for your hate-mongering.

[RobPaulson]

wow, full of profound logic and insight. thank you so much.

[HashiriyaS14]

Howie: As I believe I've said before, thread titles like this don't work. You start a fight with the title before anyone even reads the thing.

I don't care that it's the name of the article...call the thread something else.

Oh...and spell it correctly next time or I'll ask an Admin to change your board language to Latvian.

[audtatious]

Maybe the British should come take their country back?

After all, the first Boston Tea Party was against them.

Z

Interesting since Reid recently stated something to the point that "they" (Dem leaders) are trying to get the US to resemble the EU. Strange since the US came to being trying to get away from "them" (English rule), the EU is falling apart and England is in a major financial crisis (worse than ours), and they seem to have far more problems than we have at the moment.

Who knows. I sure don't have a clue WTH is going on anymore.

[smockers83]

The EU is modeled more after us than anything else. Think of us as a 50-country EU with a lot more freedoms.

[AZhitman]

So, it seems the OP (and the thread title) were as backwards as an Arkansas wedding party.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped...lskip

It's only taken the Lefties 10 months to s*** the bed, and already the majority of the country is fed up with the shenanigans of Obama and his motley bunch of looters.

So, here's the failure scorecard, since the Tinfoil-Hat Mafia love to drag it out:

Bush (8 years): Iraq invasionGitmo human rights violations

Obama (11 months):Cash For ClunkersHealthcare "reform"Closing a cleaned-up GitmoBringing terrorists to NYChristmas Day terror attemptStimulus bill ...and counting.

[srellim234]

AZ- You are being overly naive about your scorecard re: Bush.

Warrantless wiretaps and erosion of Americans' civil rights.

9/11 happened on his watch. Although you can argue it happened early in his term, he did not keep us safe for eight years as the right likes to claim.

"No-bid" contracts to enrich his and Cheney's buddies.

Creating a holy war while trying to disguise it as a "war on terror".

Destroying an economy that was showing a surplus and unprecedented deficit spending. Yes, Obama is even worse, but Bush does no get a pass for his irresponsibility.

Really working hard to destroy the middle class in favor of the richest 1%.

It's a matter of perspective, and you can't give him a pass while criticizing only those whose policies you despise.

[AZhitman]

Call it generalization. I'm far from naive.

Wiretaps? Supported, and continued. Therefore, I don't view that as a "failure". Something to whine about, sure - but not a "failure".

9/11 - Preventable? Maybe. Remember, we didn't have the TSA before then. I'd say it was the wake-up call that was long overdue. I don't give a "free pass" there, but I also don't lay that one on his shoulders. We were unprepared as a country.

Contractual issues are nebulous as well. I'm an auditor, and I'm suer the naysayers have some valid concerns. But that's more "business as usual" in Washington, and certainly didn't begin (OR END) with W. Therefore, rather than marking it as a failure for both, it's left out.

"Holy war" and other rhetorical, emotionally-charged words: See my scorecard, I didn't forget it.

"Destroying an economy"? I'm not assigning that to any ONE administration. Remember, the left is to blame for promoting the idea that home ownership is a "right", the lobbying and badgering of banks to make loans to people with no money, and the "perfect storm" of easy credit and its convergence with a cyclical economic downturn, are to blame - Not either Prez.

Extrapolate 11 months out to 8 years and the future looks even bleaker for this administration.

Still pretty lopsided, isn't it?

[sean@z1]

Ok well how about the fact that Obama wasted more tax payers money in the first couple of months with the stimulus and cash for clunkers and other non sense social programs Than Bush did in 8 years; and what the country did in 200 years of the national debt


Modified by sean@z1 at 3:44 PM 1/5/2010

[srellim234]

I'm not defending Obama or his policies. Blame for failures and continued failures gets worse with each administration and does not matter which of the two major parties is sitting in the Oval Office.

I have a firm belief that history will judge Bush a lot harsher than anyone on the right is willing to admit.

[AZhitman]

I'm not defending Obama or his policies.

I know.

I have a firm belief that history will judge Bush a lot harsher than anyone on the right is willing to admit.

Since I'm neither R or L, I don't know what the R is "willing to admit". But I think the opposite is true.

I think the biggie for GWB will be the failed intel on Iraq, and the results thereof.

But I don't think history will be too harsh on the rest of the "war on terror", given the current administration's following of the "Bush Doctrine" to a T thus far (despite the pre-election stance to the contrary)... Interesting how quickly BHO adopted the position he previously railed against once he took up residence on Pa Avenue.

Like I said, if you look at the 10 months vs 8 years, it's STILL terribly lopsided.

[telcoman]

AZ- You are being overly naive about your scorecard re: Bush.

Warrantless wiretaps and erosion of Americans' civil rights.

9/11 happened on his watch. Although you can argue it happened early in his term, he did not keep us safe for eight years as the right likes to claim.

"No-bid" contracts to enrich his and Cheney's buddies.

Creating a holy war while trying to disguise it as a "war on terror".

Destroying an economy that was showing a surplus and unprecedented deficit spending. Yes, Obama is even worse, but Bush does no get a pass for his irresponsibility.

Really working hard to destroy the middle class in favor of the richest 1%.

It's a matter of perspective, and you can't give him a pass while criticizing only those whose policies you despise.

+1

My 401K plunged under Bush and lost 33% in 2008

Under Obama I'm up 28% in 2009

Ruining our economy took Bush eight years.

It may take longer than eight years under Obama to restore it

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

Econ 101 - Take it.

I'm sure there's a community college in New Jersey that offers it.

[telcoman]

Econ 101 - Take it.

I'm sure there's a community college in New Jersey that offers it.

I took it years ago.

Thats where I learned not to trust republicans.

[sean@z1]

it was 4 years into the great depression before the US hit rock bottom in 1933.

But you can not blame only Bush for runing the economy what about all the deals the Clintons had set up with Alan Greenspan to create this artifical bubble from the 90's

I am a firm beliver that if you reinstate a hard currency policy that we have fewer crashes in the economy. example of the 1964 removal of Silver from US coinage if you study

:Gasoline in 1964 was 35 cents

:Gasoline in 2009 was avg 2-3 dollars for the year

and this applies to other goods as well I think the troubled economy and an inflationary rate of 2% every year has to due with the lack of hard money in our system.

[srellim234]

I agree with you on the hard currency issue.

As for Clinton and his deals, as I pointed out it doesn't matter which party is in "the seat." Voters perpetuate the issue and allow it to escalate by allowing the two major parties to conspire to perpetuate it. Partisan gerrymandering is the biggest detriment to the United States of America. No third party can get enough of a foothold because the people who do vote are hoodwinked into believing that their party will change things, when in fact al they are doing is allowing this cycle to continue.

[srellim234]

I believe a lot of BHO's adoption of Bush policies, such as the wiretap program, are merely an extension of trying to maintain and consolidate all the executive power Bush grabbed now that BHO has it. You know the old adage about "power corrupts."

Because one administration started a policy that the next one fought to maintain doesn't mean it is necessarily right or a long term success. It may well be a failure that hasn't been recognized yet.

Another huge Bush failure- the handling of Hurricane Katrina.

[S13_love]

I took it years ago.

Thats where I learned not to trust republicans.

I took it within the past year.

Thats where I learned Obama is a moron...and his administration as well.

Sorry, but I had to.

Really working hard to destroy the middle class in favor of the richest 1%.

Isn't Obama doing the same thing but instead, in favor of the poorest whatever % it is?

Another huge Bush failure- the handling of Hurricane Katrina.

Sorry...but I have to agree with him on this.

[audtatious]

Sorry...but I have to agree with him on this.

The initial failure was the Dem controlled city and state Gov. This was followed up by FEMA stumbling and not expecting such wide range destruction nor how many people would be stranded and confined (based upon the city and states failures). Then, Bush had to go and blow the damn levy's......

[srellim234]

What also added to it was how ineptly they handled the situaton with the blatant reading of the script that was passed around the Republican Party. Bush made the comment that "On Tuesday morning we thought we had really dodged a bullet" regarding the levees. For the next few months that Tuesday morning bullet dodging line was repeated by vVirtually every Fox commentator as well as every Republican politician asked about the New Orleans situation. Not using it to refer to Bush, but using it to refer to their own personal assessments of what happened.

Problem? The levees had cut loose on Monday! They never checked dates or anything, just read the script verbatim. Basically admitting they were out of touch with the facts and not capable of saying anything they weren't told to say. That includes my local Representative, Dave Dreier.

I expected Bush to react that way. His lack of curiosity and failure to read anything related to news was already well known. But all the other morons supported his screwup.

[smockers83]

I am a firm beliver that if you reinstate a hard currency policy that we have fewer crashes in the economy. example of the 1964 removal of Silver from US coinage if you study

:Gasoline in 1964 was 35 cents

:Gasoline in 2009 was avg 2-3 dollars for the year

and this applies to other goods as well I think the troubled economy and an inflationary rate of 2% every year has to due with the lack of hard money in our system.

Not true.

In fact, the very opposite could be very much true.

Inflation serves a purpose in an economy. Inflation is not only driven by government policies, whether fiscal or monetary, it's also driven by the increase in income. The more money there is to go around, the more producers can charge due to an increase in money supply and the resulting increase in demand, thus inflation. The purpose inflation serves is that it produces incentive for producers to produce. If prices were falling year after year, would you produce more year after year or less? Producers would actually produce less, thus a contracting economy.

As gold and silver prices fluctuate, the money supply would fluctuate with those prices and the government would have less control over inflation and deflation. As those metals' prices rise, they're more expensive for the government to acquire, so the money supply may not grow fast enough to keep up with the economy. The opposite is true as well. The other factor to that is that as those metals' prices rise over time, in order for a $0.25 piece to be worth $0.25, the amount of silver present would become smaller and smaller. Or, if it were kept at the same quantity, the coin would either cost more than it's worth, or be worth more than it's given value, thus needing to adjust the face value of the coin.

Plus, are you going to melt that coin down and try and extract the small amount of silver? I think not.

Those gold coins from the government they're selling on TV now, they aren't worth their face value in gold given the price of gold and the amount of gold present (they're true value is much less).

Another huge Bush failure- the handling of Hurricane Katrina.

Also not true at all as Matt pointed out. The real failure should be credited to the City of New Orleans. There was an emergency plan in place for such a scenario, but no one knew how to use it, let alone get it started. On top of that, the State of Louisiana would not let aid come in; it had to sit on the borders. Where is Bush mentioned there or the head of FEMA? Nowhere. And that's science, not politics.
Modified by smockers83 at 11:11 PM 1/6/2010

[audtatious]

What also added to it was how ineptly they handled the situaton with the blatant reading of the script that was passed around the Republican Party. Bush made the comment that "On Tuesday morning we thought we had really dodged a bullet" regarding the levees. For the next few months that Tuesday morning bullet dodging line was repeated by vVirtually every Fox commentator as well as every Republican politician asked about the New Orleans situation. Not using it to refer to Bush, but using it to refer to their own personal assessments of what happened.

Problem? The levees had cut loose on Monday! They never checked dates or anything, just read the script verbatim. Basically admitting they were out of touch with the facts and not capable of saying anything they weren't told to say. That includes my local Representative, Dave Dreier.

I expected Bush to react that way. His lack of curiosity and failure to read anything related to news was already well known. But all the other morons supported his screwup.

He wanted the chocolate city to float away. We all know he personally threw out hurricane seeds to kick start that b****.....He was also personally responsible for all the funds to fortify the levy's being used for other things before he became President.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40&NR=1

[AZhitman]

Blame for the handling of a natural disaster would have never been heaped on the POTUS had it been a predominantly White city. Period.

You'd think Katrina was the ONLY natural disaster to befall the US.

More of the same: People waiting for their Daddy to save them from Mother Nature (or unemployment, or inflation, or crime, or disease, or terrorism, or....).

When the Northern US is paralyzed in 6 feet of snow, do the residents scream about the President? How about when wildfires ravaged 467,066 acres of AZ over a one-month period and cause evacuation of multiple entire cities?

You didn't hear the residents questioning the handling of the situation.

BTW, I was on an emergency response team during the Rodeo fires and saw, firsthand, how people SHOULD behave during a crisis. The residents of Louisiana could take lessons.

[audtatious]

They don't know any better it seems. When you make your hand out of low numbered cards you are setting yourself up for failure. Yes, I said it....pack a city with poor welfare "victims" and you have a whole bunch of people who can't do anything for themselves and failure is expected.