take an srt4

[240sxdominos]

hey guys im planning on doing an sr swap this summer. My buddy recently bought a 05 srt4 and has left it completely stock (warranty of course) and since then we have been talking a lot of **** to eachother. I tell him that once i get my sr i will stomp him (just talk). So my question is, once i get my sr what should i do so i can have a chance to take him at the track. considering he runs low 14's even 13.9. and what cost might be. thanks guys

[boringdrifter]

well, one thing you will need is the basics, front mount, a good intake system, hot pipe, rocker arms stoppers, elect fans, clutch, oil pressure, boost, and water temp gauges, BOV, exhaust, down pipe, suspension, and if you want boost controller(turn it up to 14 psi). now what you really need to take him off the line is LSD(kaaz, nismo,ect.) since the srt4 does not have it on the car stock you will have a better chance beating him.

[Dori Dori]

SRT4's do come with lsd's stock (every year after the first year) but the fact that it's fwd will still make it easier on you OFF THE LINE. IDK where SRT4's are supposed to trap so I don't know if you'd be able to beat him from a roll...stock t25's pull like crap past 5k.

[2_Liter_Turbo]

well, one thing you will need is the basics, front mount, a good intake system, hot pipe, rocker arms stoppers, elect fans, clutch, oil pressure, boost, and water temp gauges, BOV, exhaust, down pipe, suspension, and if you want boost controller(turn it up to 14 psi). now what you really need to take him off the line is LSD(kaaz, nismo,ect.) since the srt4 does not have it on the car stock you will have a better chance beating him.

I think with a good exhaust system, LSD, and a boost controller you have a good chance. SRT4's have a stock LSD after the 04 years. The 03 didn't. THere is a guy around me who keeps sayin that he'll smoke as well..... it's a desease i guess

[NoStickers]

I've spanked many a stock srt4s with my t25. I wasn't at the track so I couldn't tell you any times.

SRT4's do come with lsd's stock (every year after the first year) but the fact that it's fwd will still make it easier on you OFF THE LINE. IDK where SRT4's are supposed to trap so I don't know if you'd be able to beat him from a roll...stock t25's pull like crap past 5k.

From the roll they suck pretty bad as well. If you are putting down around 250 to the wheels you can nonchalantly beat them all day.

[afmafia]

its goingto be hard i have an 05 srt and i also have a 98 kouki with sr20 about 375 hp . when my sr was running stock with boost controller running11-12lbs i think my srt4 runs better . just my 2 cents

[karmakaze]

i don't care what someone has done upgrade wise to their neon, i will still make fun of them. because, well.. they are driving a neon.

trendy pieces of ****.

i don't trust the reliablity of dodge products further than i can throw them. plus have you ever tried to work on a chrysler/jeep/dodge? they don't make any ****ing sense at all.

2003-2005 Dodge Neon SRT-4

Created by Dodge's PVO team, the SRT-4 powered by a 2.4L turbo engine. The engine, underrated at 215 hp in 2003, is now rated at 230 hp and comes standard with an LSD for 2004. Numerous Mopar upgrades are also available.

Base price : $18,970

Engine : 4 cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine FWDDisplacement : 2,429 ccValve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinderTransmission : 5-spd manualFuel economy : city - 22 mpg highway - 30 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut R - Independent multilinkBrakes : F - Vented discs R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 230 hp @ 5300 rpmTorque : 250 lb-ft @ 2200 rpmRedline : 6750 rpm

Top speed : 153 mph0-60 mph : 5.6 sec.0-¼ mile : 14.2 sec @ 102.0 mph60-0 braking distance : 120 ft200 ft skidpad : 0.85 g

Curb Weight : 2970 lbsOverall length : 175.7 in.Wheelbase : 105.0 in.Overall Width : 67.4 in.Height : 56.5 in.

Competitors :Saturn Ion Red LineSubaru Impreza WRXChevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged

I mean, come on. they have a Saturn listed as Competitors!

plus consider, its a 2.4L engine with a Mitsubishi TD04 (The boost threshold is around 1800rpm, full boost is obtained by roughly 2800rpm). (*note, this is also the same engine and turbo thats in the PT Cruiser GT) and the stock boost is reported to be at 14 or 15psi (20psi is suposidly the max of the turbo but that seems pretty high to me) the sr20det s14 is 225hp at 8psi. The torque is 250lb-ft, but what would a KA-T have at that boost level? the srt4 injectors are 380cc which are maxed out at the stock psi. *retarded* (*edit, i think that they may of fixed this in 2004 with larger injectors, but i am not sure)

POS! I would have to sell my car if I got beat by a neon.

check out this video. its an srt4 get together. one of them hits a curb and another one breaks down and has to get towed home. http://videos.streetfire.net/P...F2DA4

here is a dyno sheet for a stock srt4 done in 4th gear. (4th has a 1.08 gear ratio) thats one ugly curve. i rest my case.

Modified by karmakaze at 2:09 PM 12/4/2005
Modified by karmakaze at 2:17 PM 12/4/2005

[afmafia]

well i think if u raced me u would have to sell your 240 cause i would beat u . dont hate on a car until be been behind the wheel . ya its a neon but u cant compare a srt4 to a 11 grand base neon totally diffrent car .

[2_Liter_Turbo]

well i think if u raced me u would have to sell your 240 cause i would beat u . dont hate on a car until be been behind the wheel . ya its a neon but u cant compare a srt4 to a 11 grand base neon totally diffrent car .

An SRT-4 is to a Neon as a 180SX is to a 240SX.

Same car, different engine and options.

No offense, but I wasn't that impressed when I drove one.

[karmakaze]

An SRT-4 is to a Neon as a 180SX is to a 240SX.Same car, different engine and options.

thats right. its just a PT Cruiser GT. lol

[karmakaze]

well i think if u raced me u would have to sell your 240 cause i would beat u . dont hate on a car until be been behind the wheel . ya its a neon but u cant compare a srt4 to a 11 grand base neon totally diffrent car .

lol. yeah but they use the same engineering and standards on both of them. with time and money you can mod a car and get power out of anything. but stock, did you take a look at that dyno?
Modified by karmakaze at 3:54 PM 12/4/2005

[deCksy]

theres nothing wrong with the srt4 in my opinion.. its just the fact that most guys that drive them think they're all badass and invincible...

[2_Liter_Turbo]

theres nothing wrong with the srt4 in my opinion.. its just the fact that most guys that drive them think they're all badass and invincible...

Kinda like Mustang and STI owners hehe

[BaliLover]

its goingto be hard i have an 05 srt and i also have a 98 kouki with sr20 about 375 hp . when my sr was running stock with boost controller running11-12lbs i think my srt4 runs better . just my 2 cents

Key words here are "I Think." I'm hoping that your comparison was done between your stock SR and your stock SRT4, and not your "about 375 hp" setup.

I have seen first hand stock SR's running 12-14psi with FMIC and stock T25s with open differentials take down many stock SRT4s with the stock (computer controlled) 14-15psi spiking as high as 17psi. Keep in mind the stock SR T25 doesn't like to boost much over 12psi and the stock fuel system can't handle much more than 14psi.

NOW, if said SRT4 has been upgraded then yes, they present a very real challenge and usually a very fun race.

The SR is capable of close to 250 WHEEL HP with the stock turbo and fuel system. I'm not sure what the stock fuel system on an SRT4 can handle. The stock curb weight on a base 240 hatch is 2730lbs, over 200lbs lighter (without driver) than the 2970lb SRT4. The SR also revs much to 7500 as opposed to the 6750 of the SRT4

However, If people want to get technical, they can compare the money spent on each car (20k SRT4 vs sub 10k 240sx) and say its not really a fair race. You can compare the fuel system (SR's 370cc injectors stock vs 550cc SRT4 injectors) and say its not truly a fair race. But in the end, the SR with maxed stock setup will beat almost all stock SRT-4s (no stage upgrades) at the same boost level with drivers of equal skill.

This is NOT a post saying the SRT4 is a piece of crap, they are easily as capable of 11second 1/4 miles as the SR'd 240s are, its just a matter of how much you have to spend to get there. All I'm saying is that a stock SRT4 is not going to stomp a typical SR setup (most setups are running the T25 @12-14psi, FMIC, 255lph fuel pump, 3" turbo back exhast).

As for the dyno sheet posted, is there any reason the run was done in 4th gear? Most dyno runs are in 3rd gear, and the SR has a 1.302 3rd gear. I believe a 3rd gear run in the SRT4 would have netted better #s As for the owners, there are just as many 240 owners out there doing stupid things and making the community as a whole look bad. The SRT4 isn't my cup of tea, but I also wouldn't call it a POS.

[karmakaze]

As for the dyno sheet posted, is there any reason the run was done in 4th gear? Most dyno runs are in 3rd gear, and the SR has a 1.302 3rd gear. I believe a 3rd gear run in the SRT4 would have netted better #s As for the owners, there are just as many 240 owners out there doing stupid things and making the community as a whole look bad. The SRT4 isn't my cup of tea, but I also wouldn't call it a POS.

the reason that was stated for the srt4 to be dynoed in 4th gear is because you dyno the car in the gear that the ratio is set closest to 1. now.. just so it is know.. i ripped that dyno from another forum. for all i know maybe it was done in 3rd gear. we all know how accurate information is on forums.

[BaliLover]

On the SR, 4th gear is right at 1.0 but I've never seen on dyno'd in 4th gear.

[virus77]

most manual transmissions have exactly a 1.0 ratio in 4th, if not within .1

[2forty]

srt-4's are pretty quick little cars. i know driver is involved, but i beat 2 at the track, and i only ran a 14.2 @ 102, so i was a bit surprised myself. i thought they trapped the same if not higher? i think 1 ran a 14.4, and the other like a 14.6? kinda garbage on their part hehe.

p.s. i was at stock boost

[spider_slayer]

a car is only as fast as its driver's skill level.

btw... boringdrifter... thats a clean set up man

[Slo S14]

Can he launch it decently? Any 60's or trap speeds that you know of? They're actually pretty quick cars, especially from a roll. Race him from a dig. Also, don't bench race... Most of the time people that do it end up cashing checks that their mouths can't always cash and then have to make excuses . Fuel pump, bc, clutch, and open downpipe (hey its free).

[Beemen550]

fu*k a srt-4, even a Stage 2, they run like ****, my buddys is about to rattle apart, built poorly and pop so fu*kin loud every shift

ive only seen one srt-4 come close to hangin with little ol t25, and that was a stage 2 with good *** drag radials, catback, and a good driver, he pulled a 13.1@102 but from a roll he gets left everytime

now a stage 3 is a different story, ive personally seen one run a 11.3@12? with a little tweakin to the stage 3 setup at Indy truck bash earlier this year, i have the video i will host it on my site later if i can find it

[574-240sx]

fu*k a srt-4, even a Stage 2, they run like ****, my buddys is about to rattle apart, built poorly and pop so fu*kin loud every shift

ive only seen one srt-4 come close to hangin with little ol t25, and that was a stage 2 with good *** drag radials, catback, and a good driver, he pulled a 13.1@102 but from a roll he gets left everytime

now a stage 3 is a different story, ive personally seen one run a 11.3@12? with a little tweakin to the stage 3 setup at Indy truck bash earlier this year, i have the video i will host it on my site later if i can find it

[S13240]

I've raced a few at the drag strips, it was pretty much all driver error though. I've won every single one I've raced, but they mainly just have traction issues...get that solved and they will spank our cars left to right.

[spider_slayer]

the srt-4's seriously get sold in stages? i honestly thought when i heard some guy talking about his stage 2 srt-4 NFSU had melted his brain...

how much are the stage 3's fully equipped from the factory? is it still under 30,000?

[Badfish]

I believe you can purchase these upgrades AFTER you have bought the car without voiding the warranty. Mopar offers them as packages in stages. Thus Stage 1, Stage 2, etc.

[spider_slayer]

ah ... hence why we never see stage 3 srt-4's running around town flying into highway barricades and curbs.

[AR31TU]

PT Cruiser? Try PT Loser.

My friend took an SRT4 in his S14 with FMIC, EBC set to 10psi and 3in downpipe and exhaust.

[S14-NEO]

the absolute best thing is when you convert people. I have converted a crap load just by showing off in my car and abusing the crap out of it and the thing staying together, that sells people on the SR and the 240 in general. just this past weekend i helped convert a longtime SRT4 GURU here in my hometown to the nation of nissan...lol. and he has a friend that is also a friend of mine that also has a SRT4 that is very close to getting rid of his SRT4 and converting as well. look i know just saying this about these two guys isnt all that big a deal but bothe of there cars are and were putting out 400whp+. so they know the SRT4 better than most of the guys in this post, hell one of them is even a moderator on a SRT4 forum. THE POWER OF NISSAN PREVAILS!!!

[drifter_for_life06]

i donno about you guys, but 400+FWHP seems like the torque steer would throw you of the road

[spider_slayer]

i donno about you guys, but 400+FWHP seems like the torque steer would throw you of the road

although i don't believe the newer ones have open diffs. and that i'm sure helps alot.