sx13 sr20det type x

[Jordan]

alright, this engine has become available to me and I would like to know some opinions about it. im not to knowledgeable about the s13 type x and I would like to know the difference between this and the s 13 black top. I will be putting the engine in my '98 240sx.
Modified by Jordan at 5:06 AM 1/14/2007

[jdm_master_X]

s14 transmission, some s14 electronics. thats pretty much it. no extra HP compared to the other S13 motors.

typically low mileage, so I would definitely hop on it if you can. Mine is 2 years strong and still kickin. 14K on the motor, you can't beat that!

[KA24Power]

Can't really help you out, but welcome!

Good to see a fellow Canadian!

[Jordan]

so you have a sr20det s13 type x installed? what year did the type x come out? I have an oppertunity to purchase a type x clip, but I would like to know if the year would be located anywhere on the clip.I would also like to know if you think the sr20det s14 or s15 would be a more appropriate engine for power gains?

[jdm_master_X]

to be politically correct, the Nissan 180sx Type-X came out in 97-98 during its final production years as an S13.

if you have the ability to purchase a clip, make sure its as complete as can be. it must have its entire harness and sensors and computer. the engine and transmission should be immaculate. and if you get the digital gauge cluster and other body parts, thats a big plus. props if you get the steering wheel too...haha.

ive always been biased to the S13 SR because of its head design. its a high-port head, and it does not utilize Nissan's VTC system (our version of VTEC) like the s14/15 SR. if you take the turbo from the later year SRs and slap it onto the S13, coupled with a mild tune, you can expect to see more power out of the S13 SR.

[Jordan]

Thanks for all the info so far. The clip does includes the digital gauge cluster (which I dont intend on using), not sure about the steering wheel ect. So by putting on an s14/s15 turbo I can expect to gain more hp than the same application on and s14/s15 engine?would this also apply to a s13 black top? If so, is the only advantage of the type x the s14 transmission and some other s14 electronics?

[cheapscheisst]

yes, yes, and yes. the blacktop is mechanically identical (the engine).

[Jordan]

If any of you had a choice, and had a $5-6,000 CDN budget what enging would you install in a '98 240sx with only 42,000miles? perhaps an rb25det? or is that getting out of the price range?I would like something a little different and have big hp potential. you know, to make the car stand out in a group of 240's.or is the best way to go with the s13 sr20det type x and upgrade to a big turbo?

[SpeedRacer1]

If I had more money to spend in your situation I would buy an S14 SR. S15 would be my top choice but it is too expensive for what you are getting. S14 is a great starting point.

Also the proper term is not Type X, it is either Kouki or late model 180SX. The Type X is just a trim model. 180SX Type R's also got the SR20DET, it just was the base model with hub caps intsead of alloys.

Adding an S14/S15 turbo to an S13 engine will yield roughly the exact same results as an S14 or S15. The S15 has larger injectors however to start with.

[cheapscheisst]

get the earlier blacktop (it's cheaper), fmic, downpipe, exhaust, turbo manifold, upgrade the fuel system, and slap on a GT2871r with a boost controller. that can be easily accomplished w/ less than 5000 CDN (if you do the labor yourself). it might not "stand out" compared to other swaps if you just look at the engine bay, but it sure as hell will once you roast them with 350+whp . oh and you would need to drop another few hundred on a better clutch...

[Jordan]

You have a pretty sweet ride. '97 or '98? What kind of engine do you have?

[cheapscheisst]

its a 96 w/ a kouki front and zenki sides and rear. future home of a 400+whp s13 blacktop . should be about a month.

[Jordan]

How do you plan on making 400whp + on a blacktop?I know it can be done I just want to know what you need.

[cheapscheisst]

here's a mod list. i might not get to the headwork until this summer though. even w/o the head it should easily push 350-375 whp.

HKS Super Mega Flow Intake KitER Spec Hotpipe and GReddy BOV KitGreddy R-spl Intercooler KitGreddy Intake PlenumMR Stainless Steel Bottom Mount Turbo ManifoldCircuit Sports O2 Elimination DownpipeWalbro High-Pressure 255 ltr/hr Fuel PumpNismo Motor Mounts (Left and Right)NGK Iridium Spark Plug Set (Heat Range 8)Greddy Oil Pan KitKoyo Aluminum RadiatorNismo Low Temperature Thermostat (Large)Adjustable Dual Electric Fan Thermostat KitFlex-a-Lite Dual 12in. Electric Fan KitACT Solid Race (Heavy Duty 6-Pad) Clutch KitFidanza Lightweight Flywheel300zx Fuel FilterBlitz 14359 DTT DCII Dual Turbo TimerFRS S13 S14 Turbo Timer HarnessCircuit Sports Large Oil Catch TankMR Stainless Steel Test PipeAEM Single Channel Uego KitMR Aluminum Lightweight Pulley SetAPEXi - Power FC & Hand Controller - D-JetroFC DatalogitPower FC Boost Control KitNismo 740cc Fuel InjectorsGarrett GT2871R TurbochargerAEM Fuel Pressure Regulator KitTomei In. and Ex. Camshafts (270) + Adjust PulleyBrian Crower Stainless Steel Valves (Intake)Brian Crower Stainless Steel Valves (Exhaust)Tomei Valve SpringsTomei Solid PivotsTomei Test ShimsTomei Valve Guides

[nzmoman]

theres a lot of things you dont NEED to make 400whp. I think that your setup looks like it is going to be for drifting, or maybe autocross. things like oil pans, catch tanks, stainless steel manifolds, fans, radiator, turbo timers, UEGO, thermostats...that stuff is not needed.

they are things that if you are racing would be good to have. for example the radiator really only makes a difference when you are running hard and at high speeds consistantly, Oil pan is only necessary if you are drifting or autox-ing, stainless steel manifolds are not power adders, they help the turbo spool a bit better, fans are really only necessary if you are running hard for extended periods...

You will need the parts that add fuel, air, exhaust, parts that control that mixture, and help put it on the ground. So the turbo, injectors, intercooler, computer, drivetrain stuff (clutch, lsd) and a really good tune.

If you want build a tight a$$ car like the S14 pictured above, then you could do all that, but its not mandatory....

BTW....That is a very nice S14, i really like the color.

[cheapscheisst]

thanks.

yeah i was only giving my personal (future) setup. a lot of the stuff is unnecessary unless you are autoxing (which i do) and/or want a very reliable engine (the turbo timer for instance). also in my case i self-tune w/ a g-tech the datalogit software so the UEGO is a MUST.

[cheapscheisst]

also, if i am not mistaken, the addition of the stainless manifold makes around an additional 20 whp. the stock cast manifold creates a shockingly large amount of airflow resistance b/c of the rough surface.