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SUVs Are....
There may be practical uses, but more often than not, there isn't. I dislike SUVs, I wish the fad would go away, and we'd get back to the old school broncos and such, in the late 80s (when they weren't even called SUVs) it seemed more like the people that truly needed SUVs had them.
Drive in the most densely populated state in the nation and you will quickly see the amounts of problems SUVs cause.
I think its rather unfair when I can't see above/around the car in front of me, then their bumpers are at my door handles. They are some of the least fuel efficient vehicles on the road. I don't understand why we can't be a LITTLE more evironmentally conscience in this country.
Drive in the most densely populated state in the nation and you will quickly see the amounts of problems SUVs cause.
I think its rather unfair when I can't see above/around the car in front of me, then their bumpers are at my door handles. They are some of the least fuel efficient vehicles on the road. I don't understand why we can't be a LITTLE more evironmentally conscience in this country.
AZhitman wrote:Because the same people crying about pollution, fuel economy, dependence on foreign oil, etc. are the same pacifist ninnies that oppose any military action anywhere in the world, justified or otherwise!!!
Where was all this whining about 3-ton vehicles back in 1958, when the average family car weighed MORE than a new Suburban and was THE SAME LENGTH!!!!
This is not always true, I am very much in favor of military action, if the need be...but I do whine about pollution, fuel economy, ect (however I could care less about dependancy on foreign oil, this cannot be changed). Pollution and energy use is out of control in the US. We make up 5% of the world's population and use 33% of the worlds energy (in contrast, India makes up 15% of the pop, and uses 1.5% of the worlds energy). This simply does not make sense. The US consistantly refuses to attend international conferences on reducing CO2 and other greenhous gases, while other countries consistantly attempt to reduce pollutants put into the air. There needs to be a change in Americas attitude towards the environment (although this is highly unlikely).
Back in 1958 people had no concept of pollutants, conservation, extinction, ect. Emmissions were of no concern (some cities were so polluted with CO2 and other emmissions that people had trouble breathing by the time midday rolled around). No one complained because no one had any concept of what was going on. The other reason no one was complaining was because in 1960 the world population was about 2 million, today it is 6.3. The United States population has more than doubled in this same time frame. I don't know how long you have been around AZ, but my dad/mom/grandparents consistantly talk about how much less traffic there was on the roads back in their day. Also in the mere 4 years I've been driving I've seen a noticeable increase in cars on the road....with this increase there is no reason for a 7 foot high, 20 foot long vehicle on the road (were a sedan or minivan would do).
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VimyJ wrote:AHA!!! The cat is out of the bag! Conservatives are lurking under the guise of being xenophobic isolationists are actually hegemonic imperialists who want war so they can pick up their dry cleaning cheaper.:toilet
Haha.... you sound like Dennis Miller in the late 80's early 90's before he switched political affiliations and joined OUR side!
BTW Hitman.... I keep wanting to chime in, but man you're on fire! I read one of Vimmy's posts and I get all loaded up and ready to fire back... then your next post has already covered EXACTLY what I wanted to say! DAMN.... you and I meeting for those beers might be dangerous.
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Originally posted by APEXi240 "]Pollution and energy use is out of control in the US. We make up 5% of the world's population and use 33% of the worlds energy (in contrast, India makes up 15% of the pop, and uses 1.5% of the worlds energy). This simply does not make sense.
Sure it does... it's called standard of living. Most people in India would trade places with us in a heartbeat. We shouldn't be proud of our energy and resource consumption... but step back from that computer and think about what privileges it garners you. I'd respect that position much more, if everytime I heard it it wasn't from someone that was just as gluttonous as those they are pointing the finger at.
The US consistantly refuses to attend international conferences on reducing CO2 and other greenhous gases, while other countries consistantly attempt to reduce pollutants put into the air.
In comparison to the amount of resources and energy we consume, our waste and contribution to global pollution is below average.
Sure it does... it's called standard of living. Most people in India would trade places with us in a heartbeat. We shouldn't be proud of our energy and resource consumption... but step back from that computer and think about what privileges it garners you. I'd respect that position much more, if everytime I heard it it wasn't from someone that was just as gluttonous as those they are pointing the finger at.
The US consistantly refuses to attend international conferences on reducing CO2 and other greenhous gases, while other countries consistantly attempt to reduce pollutants put into the air.
In comparison to the amount of resources and energy we consume, our waste and contribution to global pollution is below average.
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OMFG!!! This was just on the front page of my AOL news (anyone flames for the AOL thing and I kick your arse through my dial-up connection.... and yeah... you'll need that broadband speed advantage!!) Sorry it's so long.... but I just can't even believe this is about to be launched!!!
"LOS ANGELES (Jan. 9) - A new front opened in the U.S. ''war on terror'' on Wednesday as pundit Arianna Huffington and three Hollywood pals launched a TV ad campaign to stop Americans from driving sport utility vehicles because the gas-guzzling autos inadvertently aid the country's enemies.
In two spots scheduled to begin running on Sunday, Huffington and her friends, who call themselves The Detroit Project, try to plant the idea that driving the hot-selling mammoth vehicles is unpatriotic.
The ads, which will appear through Friday in New York, Los Angeles, Detroit and Washington, D.C., parody the government's public service campaign against drug-sponsored terrorism, and aim to kindle public demand for tougher fuel efficiency.
''The goal of the campaign is not to demonize people who drive SUVs,'' Huffington said. ''We want to point out how our driving habits at home are fueling oil money to Saudi Arabia.''
One spot features a hapless SUV driver named ''George'' pumping gas into his vehicle while an oil company executive steps into a limousine and a group of turban-wearing soldiers fire automatic rifles into the air.
''This is George,'' a child says in a sing-song voice. ''This is the gas that George bought for his SUV. This is the oil company executive that sold the gas that George bought for his SUV. These are the countries where the executive bought the oil, that made the gas that George bought for his SUV. And these are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV.''
''Oil money supports some terrible things. What kind of mileage does your SUV get?'' the ad concludes.
THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY
In a series of close-ups, the second ad explores the purported consequences of buying foreign oil, juxtaposed with excuses people make for buying SUVs: ''I helped hijack an airplane.'' ''I like to sit up high.'' ''I helped blow up a nightclub.'' ''It makes me feel safe.'' ''I sent our soldiers off to war.''
''What is your SUV doing to national security?'' it asks. ''Detroit, America needs hybrid cars now.''
Affiliates of the Walt Disney Co.-owned ABC network in New York and Los Angeles have refused to air the ads because they are too controversial, Huffington said. The spots appear Sunday on network stations and for the rest of the week on cable TV news channels.
Huffington planted the seeds for The Detroit Project in her nationally syndicated column in October by fantasizing about a people's ad campaign taking the government to task for failing to pass tougher fuel efficiency standards while waging war to protect cheap oil.
Readers flooded her ''in'' basket with more than 5,000 letters by the next morning, asking where to send money for the mythical campaign. Within three weeks she had raised $200,000 to pay for a week of airtime and production of the ads.
Huffington recruited her hiking pal Laurie David, wife of ''Seinfeld'' creator Larry David, who had convinced her to swap her gas-guzzling Lincoln Navigator for a fuel-efficient Toyota Prius, and film producer Lawrence Bender and talent agent Ari Emanuel to guide the spots through production.
Although they had budgeted $50,000 to produce the spots, written by ''Got Milk?'' creator Scott Burns, most of the costs were waived when people learned about the project, Burns said.
The Detroit Project founders said plans to expand the campaign to more cities or to make new ads must await the public's response -- and their money.
''Some people will think we went too far. I personally wanted to be very confrontational,'' Bender said. ''Sept. 11 was very confrontational.''
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"LOS ANGELES (Jan. 9) - A new front opened in the U.S. ''war on terror'' on Wednesday as pundit Arianna Huffington and three Hollywood pals launched a TV ad campaign to stop Americans from driving sport utility vehicles because the gas-guzzling autos inadvertently aid the country's enemies.
In two spots scheduled to begin running on Sunday, Huffington and her friends, who call themselves The Detroit Project, try to plant the idea that driving the hot-selling mammoth vehicles is unpatriotic.
The ads, which will appear through Friday in New York, Los Angeles, Detroit and Washington, D.C., parody the government's public service campaign against drug-sponsored terrorism, and aim to kindle public demand for tougher fuel efficiency.
''The goal of the campaign is not to demonize people who drive SUVs,'' Huffington said. ''We want to point out how our driving habits at home are fueling oil money to Saudi Arabia.''
One spot features a hapless SUV driver named ''George'' pumping gas into his vehicle while an oil company executive steps into a limousine and a group of turban-wearing soldiers fire automatic rifles into the air.
''This is George,'' a child says in a sing-song voice. ''This is the gas that George bought for his SUV. This is the oil company executive that sold the gas that George bought for his SUV. These are the countries where the executive bought the oil, that made the gas that George bought for his SUV. And these are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV.''
''Oil money supports some terrible things. What kind of mileage does your SUV get?'' the ad concludes.
THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY
In a series of close-ups, the second ad explores the purported consequences of buying foreign oil, juxtaposed with excuses people make for buying SUVs: ''I helped hijack an airplane.'' ''I like to sit up high.'' ''I helped blow up a nightclub.'' ''It makes me feel safe.'' ''I sent our soldiers off to war.''
''What is your SUV doing to national security?'' it asks. ''Detroit, America needs hybrid cars now.''
Affiliates of the Walt Disney Co.-owned ABC network in New York and Los Angeles have refused to air the ads because they are too controversial, Huffington said. The spots appear Sunday on network stations and for the rest of the week on cable TV news channels.
Huffington planted the seeds for The Detroit Project in her nationally syndicated column in October by fantasizing about a people's ad campaign taking the government to task for failing to pass tougher fuel efficiency standards while waging war to protect cheap oil.
Readers flooded her ''in'' basket with more than 5,000 letters by the next morning, asking where to send money for the mythical campaign. Within three weeks she had raised $200,000 to pay for a week of airtime and production of the ads.
Huffington recruited her hiking pal Laurie David, wife of ''Seinfeld'' creator Larry David, who had convinced her to swap her gas-guzzling Lincoln Navigator for a fuel-efficient Toyota Prius, and film producer Lawrence Bender and talent agent Ari Emanuel to guide the spots through production.
Although they had budgeted $50,000 to produce the spots, written by ''Got Milk?'' creator Scott Burns, most of the costs were waived when people learned about the project, Burns said.
The Detroit Project founders said plans to expand the campaign to more cities or to make new ads must await the public's response -- and their money.
''Some people will think we went too far. I personally wanted to be very confrontational,'' Bender said. ''Sept. 11 was very confrontational.''
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Here ya go Vimy... some fuel for your fire!
Check out what ads they have in store for us;
Ad 1: "Talking Head/Parody""I helped hijack an airplane. I helped blow up a nightclub. So what if it gets 11 miles to the gallon. I gave money to a terrorlst training camp in a foreign country. It makes me feel safe. I helped our enemies develop weapons of mass destruction. What if I need to go off-road? Everyone has one. I helped teach kids around the world to hate America. I like to sit up high. I sent our soldiers off to war. Everyone has one. My life, my SUV. I don't even know how many miles it gets to the gallon."
WHAT IS YOUR SUV DOING TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY? DETROIT, AMERICA NEEDS HYBRID CARS NOW.
http://www.thedetroitproject.com
Paid for by The Detroit Project
Ad 2: "George Head/Parody"
"This is George. This is the gas that George bought for his SUV. This is the oil company executive that sold the gas that George bought for his SUV. These are the countries where the executive bought the oil, that made the gas that George bought for his SUV. And these are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV."
OIL MONEY SUPPORTS SOME TERRIBLE THINGS. WHAT KIND OF MILEAGE DOES YOUR SUV GET?
http://www.thedetroitproject.com
Paid for by The Detroit Project
Check out what ads they have in store for us;
Ad 1: "Talking Head/Parody""I helped hijack an airplane. I helped blow up a nightclub. So what if it gets 11 miles to the gallon. I gave money to a terrorlst training camp in a foreign country. It makes me feel safe. I helped our enemies develop weapons of mass destruction. What if I need to go off-road? Everyone has one. I helped teach kids around the world to hate America. I like to sit up high. I sent our soldiers off to war. Everyone has one. My life, my SUV. I don't even know how many miles it gets to the gallon."
WHAT IS YOUR SUV DOING TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY? DETROIT, AMERICA NEEDS HYBRID CARS NOW.
http://www.thedetroitproject.com
Paid for by The Detroit Project
Ad 2: "George Head/Parody"
"This is George. This is the gas that George bought for his SUV. This is the oil company executive that sold the gas that George bought for his SUV. These are the countries where the executive bought the oil, that made the gas that George bought for his SUV. And these are the terrorists who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV."
OIL MONEY SUPPORTS SOME TERRIBLE THINGS. WHAT KIND OF MILEAGE DOES YOUR SUV GET?
http://www.thedetroitproject.com
Paid for by The Detroit Project
These are some facts. Facts. Not some things I pulled out of my arse, but proven and 100% accurate pieces of knowledge I learned through my Geo2000 class at University.
Canada gets 0% of it's oil from the middle east.USA gets 5% of it's oil from the middle east.
That's all I came to add to the thread
Canada gets 0% of it's oil from the middle east.USA gets 5% of it's oil from the middle east.
That's all I came to add to the thread
Well, well, well.... It seems that no one thinks SUVs are a wise use of resources. Half of the poll takers think SUVs are irrelevant to the question of resource use. So it appears that even those who own SUVs are reluctant to say that they are a wise use of resources. The curious thing is that their is nothing to be lost and everything to be gained by fuel efficiency yet some exhibit classic reactionary emotions because of the apparent political afiliation of the messenger. Let's be logical, people. SUVs weren't even a consideration before the Gulf War because of high fuel prices but after the war when fuel prices stayed low for ten years we saw a drastic increase in vehicle size and corresponding decrease in fuel efficiency. Next time you're filling up and looking at the woman talking on her cell phone filling her Escalade with the motor running ask yourself if she is doing you any favours.:rolleyes
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The only experience i've had with an escalade is when it cut right in front of me and ran me off the road. It was really nice with probably $4k-5k 21"+wheels...get this..just to use a payphone. That expensive arse truck and wheels and can't afford a cellphone. probably aint got no credit. lol
Too answer Vimy's threadSUV's are great for shagging in da back! mmmm...memories!
Too answer Vimy's threadSUV's are great for shagging in da back! mmmm...memories!
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VimyJ wrote:Well, well, well.... It seems that no one thinks SUVs are a wise use of resources. Half of the poll takers think SUVs are irrelevant to the question of resource use. So it appears that even those who own SUVs are reluctant to say that they are a wise use of resources. The curious thing is that their is nothing to be lost and everything to be gained by fuel efficiency yet some exhibit classic reactionary emotions because of the apparent political afiliation of the messenger. Let's be logical, people. SUVs weren't even a consideration before the Gulf War because of high fuel prices but after the war when fuel prices stayed low for ten years we saw a drastic increase in vehicle size and corresponding decrease in fuel efficiency. Next time you're filling up and looking at the woman talking on her cell phone filling her Escalade with the motor running ask yourself if she is doing you any favours.:rolleyes
What car is a wise use of resources Vim? Your J30 perhaps? Ideally we would all ride the bus or train, carpool, ride bikes or buy hybrids. On your way to work take a look into all the cars and see how many people are riding all alone and heading into the same direction. Take me for example, there are two adults in my household and twice as many cars. Hell I drive 2.5 miles to my office!!
My point is still the same. Don't hang a man for scratching his arse crack when your own fingernails are caked with s***!! We are all wasteful frivolous no good ungrateful greedy give-a-damn sumsa******es. You and Apex can move to India if you can't take. it
Now, now, now... Let's not get hysterical, deeso. There is no logical reason not to include SUVs in the CAFE standards for passenger cars because the vast majority of these vehicles are used exactly like cars. The manufacturers won't like this too much because they make tons of money from truck platforms compared to cars. However, it is time to close the loophole. And, BTW, the question is of resource use. Some methods of using resources are more efficient than others.deesolballs wrote:What car is a wise use of resources Vim? Your J30 perhaps? Ideally we would all ride the bus or train, carpool, ride bikes or buy hybrids. On your way to work take a look into all the cars and see how many people are riding all alone and heading into the same direction. Take me for example, there are two adults in my household and twice as many cars. Hell I drive 2.5 miles to my office!!
My point is still the same. Don't hang a man for scratching his arse crack when your own fingernails are caked with s***!! We are all wasteful frivolous no good ungrateful greedy give-a-damn sumsa******es. You and Apex can move to India if you can't take. it
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Originally posted by VimyJ "]Well, well, well.... It seems that no one thinks SUVs are a wise use of resources. Half of the poll takers think SUVs are irrelevant to the question of resource use. So it appears that even those who own SUVs are reluctant to say that they are a wise use of resources.
That is becasue the issue of 'wise use of resources' is irrelivant to the issue at hand. This has been clearly pointed out SEVEAL times, and even hybrid vehicles are a 'waste' of resources.
The curious thing is that their is nothing to be lost and everything to be gained by fuel efficiency
I know it's hard to leave opinion out of this, but let's all try harder.
yet some exhibit classic reactionary emotions because of the apparent political afiliation of the messenger. Let's be logical, people.
Yes, let's do that. As best as I can recall, YOU were the one who made this a political issue. Party agendas aside, when looking at this empirically, you must realize that you are arguing a position of "best case scenario" or the "world in a vaccum."
Obviously we would like to use our resources more wisely, but our needs as a society prevent absolute effiency. The problem of pollution and waste reach far beynd the scope of SUV's, as was already clearly pointed out by hitman and deesolb's. Baby steps are taken every day to help cure the problem. But to simply remove one source of the problem won't even cure the symptoms, let alone the disease.
That is becasue the issue of 'wise use of resources' is irrelivant to the issue at hand. This has been clearly pointed out SEVEAL times, and even hybrid vehicles are a 'waste' of resources.
The curious thing is that their is nothing to be lost and everything to be gained by fuel efficiency
I know it's hard to leave opinion out of this, but let's all try harder.
yet some exhibit classic reactionary emotions because of the apparent political afiliation of the messenger. Let's be logical, people.
Yes, let's do that. As best as I can recall, YOU were the one who made this a political issue. Party agendas aside, when looking at this empirically, you must realize that you are arguing a position of "best case scenario" or the "world in a vaccum."
Obviously we would like to use our resources more wisely, but our needs as a society prevent absolute effiency. The problem of pollution and waste reach far beynd the scope of SUV's, as was already clearly pointed out by hitman and deesolb's. Baby steps are taken every day to help cure the problem. But to simply remove one source of the problem won't even cure the symptoms, let alone the disease.
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This is true, which is why this counry has some of the strictest emissions standards in the world. This goes for automobiles and industry. It doesn't make us any less wasteful, but it does make our contribution to the pollution issue less significant.
SUV's are NOT the problem. Again..... just like the SUV accident issue, it is the drivers that are to blame. You can not legislate inelligence. It would be wrong to pass laws to prohibit who can and cannot drive an SUV. Educate people... sure, let them know that these vehicles have an intended use, and that they are less efficient as a possible alternative vehicle.
This is a free country. Unfortunately, some people feel that the best solution is to FORCE people into compliance with measures in futility. I think we all agree that there is certainly some problems that need to be addressed. However, some of us are not convinced that the answer is to eliminate contributing factors that are not even CLOSE to the root of the problem.
SUV's are NOT the problem. Again..... just like the SUV accident issue, it is the drivers that are to blame. You can not legislate inelligence. It would be wrong to pass laws to prohibit who can and cannot drive an SUV. Educate people... sure, let them know that these vehicles have an intended use, and that they are less efficient as a possible alternative vehicle.
This is a free country. Unfortunately, some people feel that the best solution is to FORCE people into compliance with measures in futility. I think we all agree that there is certainly some problems that need to be addressed. However, some of us are not convinced that the answer is to eliminate contributing factors that are not even CLOSE to the root of the problem.
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i personally look forward to the day when we're all riding motorcycles or pedaling it on bike because gas is way too much or we're just plain out of oil. it'll become much simpler times of course after the world adjust to the economic collapse of everything. that'll probably take 20 years to adjust to where a normal living is accepted as growing food in your backyard. as long as oil isn't needed to brew beer i'll be fine.
maineimport wrote:Sure it does... it's called standard of living. Most people in India would trade places with us in a heartbeat. We shouldn't be proud of our energy and resource consumption... but step back from that computer and think about what privileges it garners you. I'd respect that position much more, if everytime I heard it it wasn't from someone that was just as gluttonous as those they are pointing the finger at.
Actually, much of western Europe is considered industrialized and has a very similar standard of living, yet they produce far less pollutants than we do. Why is it that they use 3 cylinder and turbo deisel cars and get 40-50mpg and we use SUVs and get 12? 1/3 of the world's energy is not consistant with our standard of living.
I understand I'm not the one to be preaching, but don't be acting like I'm some fat slob that doesn't do anything about the environment, I do MORE than my fair share. I've convinced family member to go from 8 and 6 cylinder cars to much more fuel effiencent 4 cylinders. I've helped with river clean ups in my town, I've tracked deer populations, convinced my dad to switch to compact florescent bulbs. Starting next month I'm volunteering my time at a bird rehabilitation center (for raptors). There are a million things people can do to be less hypocritical, but its simply that no one (actually very few) tries, at least I'm trying. Like I said, I'm still not a good example, but I do what I can. I'm not sitting around saying "well I recycle, I do my part" (even though newspapers and cardboard are some of the quickest biodegradable products we put out, and that is what we feel will 'save the planet').
I also try not to buy gasoline from companies that import from the middle east.
One slight solution would be to put stricter emmissions and fuel effeciency standards on SUVs, most people drive them like cars, but they are governed like trucks. That way people can still have their monstrosities yet they are slightly more feasable. Soccer moms don't really care about 400 lbs ft of torque. This however still doesn't solve the problem of how unsafe they are in the hands of some drivers and how much of a pain they are to drive on the road with.
The use of resources as it pertains to the SUV is exactly the question at hand and is the thrust of this thread. You write, "Baby steps are taken every day to help cure the problem. But to simply remove one source of the problem won't even cure the symptoms, let alone the disease." Your statement doesn't make sense. You admit that there is a problem but the best rememdy for the problem is not to tackle the problem? Incorporating non commercial SUVs and Pickups into the CAFE standards is a baby step certainly, when it comes to efficient use of resources. Yet, as you suggest, a step that should be taken daily.maineimport wrote:Originally posted by VimyJ
That is becasue the issue of 'wise use of resources' is irrelivant to the issue at hand. This has been clearly pointed out SEVEAL times, and even hybrid vehicles are a 'waste' of resources.
I know it's hard to leave opinion out of this, but let's all try harder.
Yes, let's do that. As best as I can recall, YOU were the one who made this a political issue. Party agendas aside, when looking at this empirically, you must realize that you are arguing a position of "best case scenario" or the "world in a vaccum."
Obviously we would like to use our resources more wisely, but our needs as a society prevent absolute effiency. The problem of pollution and waste reach far beynd the scope of SUV's, as was already clearly pointed out by hitman and deesolb's. Baby steps are taken every day to help cure the problem. But to simply remove one source of the problem won't even cure the symptoms, let alone the disease.
I think of the effiency of my VG30DE. 20 years ago, you would need an engine twice as big to get the same performance this motor delivers (and this motor's design is now over a decade old and is still considered an advanced design) at close to twice the mileage with a fraction of the emissions and lasting twice as long. The TC was a baby step; VTC a step; ECU a step; Fuel injection; closer tolerances; etc. Those strides add up to increased efficency and a wiser use of resources. The SUV phenom is a backwards step.
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Well, apparently there's some selective reading going on - Go back and peruse some of my prior posts and this will all be much clearer. Maine and Dees, thanks for the props and thanks for keeping the faith while I slept.
BTW - Maine, those ads you posted are unreal. That is terrifying. The day some tree-hugging, whale-kissing, tie-dyed environmentalist SOB walks up to my spouse and gives her s*** for driving an SUV she's probably gonna shove their patchouli-smelling a$$ up one of the Sub's 3" tailpipes.
SUV's promote terrorism??? That's sick. And yet I can't talk s*** about Islam, because it's not PC? Much closer connection, right? WTF??? I say again (louder), WTF????
You wanna talk hypocritical? This is like those a-holes who assault people wearing fur coats, yet they're wearing a pair of Blahnik leather pumps and carrying a leather Coach purse. They're ALL dead animals, baby!
Or the sh!theads who try to save the forests by planting spikes in trees so some innocent logger trying to earn a day's pay gets shrapnel in his face and is maimed for life. Who's gonna feed his 5 kids?
Or the anti-smokers who threaten physical harm to someone whose only crime is being too weak to resist the nicotine cravings they've developed.
As regards your point that more vehicles should meet stricter fuel economy standards, fine. I'll agree. But we all paid a gas-guzzler tax (Q45 owners) to offset the costs incurred by our big cars and SUV's. So our "freedom of choice" has already been restricted monetarily.
Bottom line - I'm all for moderation. As long as it's not FORCED upon me. Last I checked, this was the USA.
That does it - I'm painting our Suburban red, white and blue. And maybe I'll pull off the catcons and uncork them headers.
BTW - Maine, those ads you posted are unreal. That is terrifying. The day some tree-hugging, whale-kissing, tie-dyed environmentalist SOB walks up to my spouse and gives her s*** for driving an SUV she's probably gonna shove their patchouli-smelling a$$ up one of the Sub's 3" tailpipes.
SUV's promote terrorism??? That's sick. And yet I can't talk s*** about Islam, because it's not PC? Much closer connection, right? WTF??? I say again (louder), WTF????
You wanna talk hypocritical? This is like those a-holes who assault people wearing fur coats, yet they're wearing a pair of Blahnik leather pumps and carrying a leather Coach purse. They're ALL dead animals, baby!
Or the sh!theads who try to save the forests by planting spikes in trees so some innocent logger trying to earn a day's pay gets shrapnel in his face and is maimed for life. Who's gonna feed his 5 kids?
Or the anti-smokers who threaten physical harm to someone whose only crime is being too weak to resist the nicotine cravings they've developed.
As regards your point that more vehicles should meet stricter fuel economy standards, fine. I'll agree. But we all paid a gas-guzzler tax (Q45 owners) to offset the costs incurred by our big cars and SUV's. So our "freedom of choice" has already been restricted monetarily.
Bottom line - I'm all for moderation. As long as it's not FORCED upon me. Last I checked, this was the USA.
That does it - I'm painting our Suburban red, white and blue. And maybe I'll pull off the catcons and uncork them headers.
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VimyJ wrote:The SUV phenom is a backwards step.
SO much misinformation. Probably because you weren't around before the fuel crisis. Cars haven't ALWAYS been small and fuel efficient.
A 2002 SUV (let's use an Excursion, for example) is more fuel efficient and emits LESS pollutants than an even smaller vehicle (let's use a Crown Vic) from just 10 years ago! And to take this a step farther, a 1982 Caprice emits TEN TIMES the emissions of the 1992 Vic!!! How is that not progress for the SUV?
Here's something else to gnaw on: The State of AZ is in a HUGE jam now. Why? Because some idiots in the Legislature thought it'd be a good idea to FORCE gov't employees (myself) to drive AFV (alt-fuel vehicles). (My Interceptor slipped thru under the law-enforcement exemption). All 1500 of our fleet was retired (big$$$) in favor of converted Ford Contours with dual fuel capabilities. Guess what? CNG fuel has a range of less than 100 miles. There's no fueling infrastructure to support it. It's expensive to maintain (more big $$$). It releases more harmful fumes per equivalent gallon of fill-up than gas. But it was PC. Now they've admitted it was a mistake - all the cars have had major problems (because they're Furds?) and are being phased back out (more big $$$).
Hilarious post, Hitman. LMAO!:rotflmao Along with your other mods you should also get a Blues Brothers type of P.A. that plays "The Stars and Stripes", etc and a horn that belts out "Yankee Doodle Dandy."
This is the USA and that's why there are those ads. Freedom of Speech. And wait just a minute! It is your president who wants you to shut up about Islam!
This is the USA and that's why there are those ads. Freedom of Speech. And wait just a minute! It is your president who wants you to shut up about Islam!
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AZhitman wrote:SO much misinformation. Probably because you weren't around before the fuel crisis. Cars haven't ALWAYS been small and fuel efficient.
A 2002 SUV (let's use an Excursion, for example) is more fuel efficient and emits LESS pollutants than an even smaller vehicle (let's use a Crown Vic) from just 10 years ago! And to take this a step farther, a 1982 Caprice emits TEN TIMES the emissions of the 1992 Vic!!! How is that not progress for the SUV?
Here's something else to gnaw on: The State of AZ is in a HUGE jam now. Why? Because some idiots in the Legislature thought it'd be a good idea to FORCE gov't employees (myself) to drive AFV (alt-fuel vehicles). (My Interceptor slipped thru under the law-enforcement exemption). All 1500 of our fleet was retired (big$$$) in favor of converted Ford Contours with dual fuel capabilities. Guess what? CNG fuel has a range of less than 100 miles. There's no fueling infrastructure to support it. It's expensive to maintain (more big $$$). It releases more harmful fumes per equivalent gallon of fill-up than gas. But it was PC. Now they've admitted it was a mistake - all the cars have had major problems (because they're Furds?) and are being phased back out (more big $$$).
You have made my point even more elequently than me. Thanks. In terms of effiecient use of resources, the SUV is a step back because it is still - for the most part - only performing the same function as an 82 Caprice with the same or less resource efficiency.
In western Canada, where I originally hale from, commercial vehicles have used CNG for years and there is a large infrastructure. Range on taxis was lower but comparable to gasoline powered and there were not wide spread complaints over maintenance. May AZ should take a look around. However, the political situation is not the same I admit. Canadian gasoline is substantially higher taxed than CNG and there is an abundance of NG making use of this fuel a more effcient use of resources for many commercial applications.