Suspension project

[plainzwalker]

Since I've been informed that there is more to the suspension then just struts/coils (no flaming please, I am still learning here), I decided I will finish this part out before I continue with any of my next projects.

Here is my shopping list so far (all ordered through SPL):

SPL solid subframe bushings 1 SPL v2 tension rods S13 Color: Black 1 SPL pro tie rod ends S13/S14 1 Z32 front tie rods 1 SPL pro rear upper arms S13/Z32 1

(Nismo struts/RS*R coils already installed)

(edit)This is a weekend (non rainy/snowing) and drag/track car(/edit)

Is there anything else that I might be missing, or would be recommended to replace while I'm doing these? With the solid aluminum bushings there is no need for collars correct?

thanks

(one last question, and will also ask in the local forums, but would anyone in the MD/DC/VA/southern PA area with a garage/work area and a free Saturday/Sunday be willing to help me out with this install? I'd be willing to supply food, beverages (both adult and non adult) and a monetary form of thank you for the assistance/teaching )

[yokota180sx]

LOL at drag/track car

get your prioroties straight and ill help you

[plainzwalker]

LOL at drag/track car

get your prioroties straight and ill help you

Okay, how about these priorities.

I plan on driving on weekends when it isn't/hasn't been raining/snowing.

I plan on taking it to the drag strip on weekends.

I plan on trying out time attack events (track).

So if wanting to do those 3 things is impossible, or doing one but not the others, fine. My car, my plans. I just asked for opinions/suggestions. I didn't ask for jokes. If you were to follow my prior post before starting this thread you will notice that I am trying to LEARN.

So like mothers always say (or should be saying), if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all.

[240DRFT]

add maybe sway bars and strut bars. and ya with the solid bushings you dont use collars

[plainzwalker]

add maybe sway bars and strut bars. and ya with the solid bushings you dont use collars

Thank you, I already have strut bars, not sure what type.

I'll look into the sway bars and find a decent pair.

Thanks

[yokota180sx]

you cnat have car set up well doing drag and trackpic one or the other

or buy a few differnt types of springs for hte front and rear

You cant have a well performing track car, and a drag car at the same time

spring rates are too high for good track handling and too low for good drag car

How about you search and you wont get these remarks

[nismofly]

nice wheel and tire combo, critical

also werd to sways and stb's

setup your car for track if you just plan on dragging it every so often, itll be far more fun as a weekend street car that way

[plainzwalker]

nice wheel and tire combo, critical

also werd to sways and stb's

setup your car for track if you just plan on dragging it every so often, itll be far more fun as a weekend street car that way

I'm looking at 17x8 wheels when I get around to doing the 5 lug conversion.

I'm not sure when I'll try taking my car to a track, it's something I definitely want to try/do though. As for drag, as soon as the local strips start opening up in the spring I'll be there.

I'm not trying to be the next John Force or Schumacher, just trying to what I've always wanted.

So before I start ordering parts, I'll take a look into recommendations for track then.

Thanks for the input.

[nismofly]

the stuff you listed plus a few more things like the ones i listed are basically the core chassis mods of a full track car...stick to those for now though because theyre good parts to learn setup with, you can go crazier later on if you want

[plainzwalker]

the stuff you listed plus a few more things like the ones i listed are basically the core chassis mods of a full track car...stick to those for now though because theyre good parts to learn setup with, you can go crazier later on if you want

Okay, I'll start with these then. I have a place where I can install them, but I am not quite confident to do them myself yet, so I now I just need to find someone who can help me out.

One last question, besides from the SPL bushing set are there any other bushing that I would want to replace while I'm at it?

(edit) Should I go ahead and get a master set of Energy Suspension bushings while I am at it? Or are these essentially the same thing? I'm a little confused after reading a couple different posts. Thanks (/edit)
Modified by plainzwalker at 4:42 AM 1/24/2007

[yokota180sx]

if you cant install simple stuff liek that

you CANT do energy suspension kits

[plainzwalker]

if you cant install simple stuff liek that

you CANT do energy suspension kits

(one last question, and will also ask in the local forums, but would anyone in the MD/DC/VA/southern PA area with a garage/work area and a free Saturday/Sunday be willing to help me out with this install? I'd be willing to supply food, beverages (both adult and non adult) and a monetary form of thank you for the assistance/teaching )

Once again. I am trying to LEARN. Last time I checked there are 2 ways to learn, trial and error (learn from your mistakes) and someone teaching you.

I have no problem trying this myself, but I'd rather have someone with some experience with me to give pointers and help out when needed.

Are you posting just to get your post count up or something? Seriously now, out of 3 posts you gave me 1 semi helpful hint/tip. The other 2 have be criticizing me over stuff that if you just read a little more and thought before you typed you would understand what is going on. Maybe I just need to go else where from now on.

Besides what is defined as simple to you or someone who has been doing this for a long time is different to someone who is trying to learn. Brake pads/rotors/drums/shoes are easy to me, oil changes are easy, hell even putting tires on wheels and balancing them is easy to me. But that is child's play to a lot of people. I got this car to learn.

[yokota180sx]

no im posting becuase ive done itI replaced all the bushigns on another car, and its a 2 or 3 day job depending ont eh kit you get. Requires a large amount of specialty tools

nothign against you, its just a PITA to do it

but on the flip side, if you take your whels off, look at your new arms, and look at the stock ones, it will all be like a lightbulb cgoing off. sooooo simple

[plainzwalker]

no im posting becuase ive done itI replaced all the bushigns on another car, and its a 2 or 3 day job depending ont eh kit you get. Requires a large amount of specialty tools

nothign against you, its just a PITA to do it

but on the flip side, if you take your whels off, look at your new arms, and look at the stock ones, it will all be like a lightbulb cgoing off. sooooo simple

Then why couldn't you say something like that to begin with instead of trying to make look like I'm an idiot. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a whole lot, but I am willing to learn.

I just talked to a guy on the phone and he recommended just doing collars instead of replacing the whole bushing since thats what he uses. However, since he mainly does drifting, would collars be good for what I want to do or is this just a cheap fix?

[yokota180sx]

I use KSP engineering aluminum subframe collars

they eliminated 80 % of wheel hop that i incurred, and now i only get it on certain types of surfaces.

[plainzwalker]

I use KSP engineering aluminum subframe collars

they eliminated 80 % of wheel hop that i incurred, and now i only get it on certain types of surfaces.

Wow, okay... I tried finding these collars but I can't seem to find them anywhere, in another thread you said you used ATTAIN KSP bushings, is KSP the model/style?

Thanks

[yokota180sx]

wwll KSP is the shop

ATTAIN is their branding line

http://www.ksp-eng.co.jp/ATTAIN/index.html

its a japanese company, i paid 120 for mine, you can get them for half taht in teh states

[silnismo]

+1 for sway bars, suspension technigue are pretty cheap and comes with everything u need. not so thick though.

i have cuscos, yummm beefy.

[nismofly]

ST arent adjustable so they really arent worth it...sway bars should really be used for tuning under and oversteer, not roll prevention

[AmoebAssassin]

ST arent adjustable so they really arent worth it...sway bars should really be used for tuning under and oversteer, not roll prevention

While this is true, S13s do benefit from body roll prevention -- the macphereson strut fronts deliver pretty bad camber gain and have horrible roll center migration characteristics.