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Government Orders Pilot to Give Himself Surprise Drug Tests

Does the government over-regulate much? A helicopter pilot who runs his own one-pilot charter company has been ordered by the FAA to adopt a random drug testing program, with the same requirements as major airlines. In other words, "I'm responsible for periodically surprising myself with a random drug test," says Philip Greenspun, the only official "safety sensitive" employee in his small company.

Recently, Greenspun wrote to Cato-at-Liberty.org, elaborating on how an FAA inspector took a look at his company's drug testing policy, and found it wanting. In order to comply with government regulations, as an employer Greenspun must undergo training that would enable him to recognize when an employee is on drugs, presumably so he can bust himself.

As an employee, he needs to take another training course so that he'll know about the many ways his employer can surprise him with a random drug test. "So really I'm learning about how I might trap myself," he says.

Doesn't the FAA have anything more important to do than regulate drug testing at a one-man show? Apparently not. Greenspun reports that about five minutes after the FAA inspector left, he received a call, from none other than the FAA, wanting to schedule an audit of his drug testing program. At least he won't have a problem rallying his staff.

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I wouldn't be quite so general in the aspersions you're casting. That commerical pilots (even independent ones) should be require to comply with a random drug testing policy is understandable. That the government is not a drug-testing agency is understandable. That the FAA has no way to know if this Greenspun guy is going to hire someone else to work for him is understandable.

If you were to look into how corporations regulate their own independent contractors with regard to substance abuse testing and other code of conduct certification requirements, you'd see exactly the same thing. Most policies are written under the assumption that someone either is an employee or HAS at least one employee. :) In order to comply with the FAA regs, he should retain a drug-testing provider and voluntarily submit to a random testing program they administer on his behalf. It's done all the time.

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This is kind of off-topic, but do you guys have a problem with drug testing? My only complaint is that drug testing is most sensitive to the drug with the least harmful potential. You could smoke crack, shoot up heroin, and snort a bunch of meth and then the next week, pass a drug test with no issues. However, if you smoke one joint, the next week you fail the drug test and lose your job. Anyone else think that's a little messed up?

And yes, I do think that this is a little ridiculous. How can someone give them self a random drug test? And for what purpose? What a waste of time and money.

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I would think a breatalizer would be more important.

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Hope he passes.

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audtatious wrote:about five minutes after the FAA inspector left, he received a call, from none other than the FAA, wanting to schedule an audit of his drug testing program. At least he won't have a problem rallying his staff.

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Well, I believe you're a bit short-sighted in that particular assessment. Perhaps they called him and asked him how he was going to implement this program, because he is his own boss? If that was true, they're quite the opposite considering that they called him at all... and I agree with Chad on this one:
Encryptshun wrote:In order to comply with the FAA regs, he should retain a drug-testing provider and voluntarily submit to a random testing program they administer on his behalf. It's done all the time.
Yep. It sounds like the guy didn't even bother telling the inspector that he was a one-man business. Tell me where the failure lies with that?
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I have no problem with drug testing. In this particular case it's common short sightedness on the Gov'mnts side to not believe cases like this existed.

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I dont know if I agree with drug tests for basic jobs.

First of all every drug is out of your system in 3 days excpet for weed, which is stupid because its least harmful and a halfway legal anyways. It can take 3 months for that to clear out from a fat guy that smokes multiple times a day.

Second, for the most part, companies only drug test for hire. They have the right to test you again if you mess up bigtime or crash something, but even then I havent seen that happen. They usually get a 'dont let it happen again' or simply fired.

Third, and Ive done this myself, it can be covered by those drinks from GNC. And on top of that, right after people are hired, they go home and do what they do just like in any other day, every day.

But thats not to say that its stupid all together. A few friends for a construction company get randoms regularly. I also think its right for cops and athletes to get tested regularly. But as far as the owner of this place, its stupid.

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Companies can request drug tests at will if you agree to it when accepting the position. If you don't want to work for them you have a right to go elsewhere.

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audtatious wrote:Companies can request drug tests at will if you agree to it when accepting the position. If you don't want to work for them you have a right to go elsewhere.
Thats true but everywhere Ive been it was never enforced. This one guy drove a car off of the front of the rack at a big company. Granted he was a complete idiot and took him atleast an hour to change oil, but he kept his job with no action taken not even a suspension period.

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As a worker and manager in the pharmaceutical wholesale industry I've been subjected to and sent employees to be randomly tested since 1991. I definitely see the value of it as we caught workers who were "users". While it's anectodotal, our internal theft numbers and order fulfilling errors dropped dramatically right after the implementation of the program.

One thing not to lose sight of in this case is that this man is also a pilot. He's the guy in control of the machine that's flying over your house and your neighbors' houses. He's flying over your spouse and your kids. He's flying over you and the other thousands of people in the crowd at the ballgame. Testing him randomly is probably a pretty good idea.

Random testing is a very simple process to set up, document and implement. The testing companies already have computer programs in place that will just pop up the guy's company, name, pull random days and times and call him in for a test. The person only has a limited amount of time to report to the test and the testing companies have contracts with other testing labs so that if he's out of the area he can be tested near his current location.

No big deal.

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But the whole idea of giving HIMSELF a suprise DT is dumb. I think if the testing centers were required to call him once a month or something randomly, that would fit the word 'suprise' a little better.

I still think a breathalyzer would be better for a pilot. Besides if he was high on some pure columbian coke, atleast he would be extremely focused lol. All joking aside I think its good and should be required for some jobs, but sometimes its unnecessary IMO

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I would agree with you if the government worded it that way. The government is only concerned with the company's institution of a proper testing plan and the proper training of the person who is responsible for setting up the company's policy/plan. The guy is the one using the terminology "suprise myself." The government is insisting that the guy get the training necessary to learn what constitutes a proper random testing plan and the various ways he can implement it so he would be truly randomly tested without being tipped off ahead of a test (surprise). Once the proper plan is in place it can also be used in the event that his business expands in any way. His training as compliance officer would already be done.

He's NOT randomly testing himself. He's NOT surprising himself. He is learning how to properly use a drug testing lab's service to do that for him.


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