supercharging a 240?

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Hey Cory, nice motivations there!

All you need to do is survey the 240SX forums to see how many would be willing; I think they will be enough.

Now, your kit would fi both S13 and S14?

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Camel wrote:Not going to happen.....read this article.

http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/Scnotes.htm

I went over the article quickly, what did you see that indicates is no-go for 240SX aplication.

Post by **JDM** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Maybe you could also just sell the equipment you use to mount the procharger unit? That way people could totally customize there set up for the mods they currently have. Anyways Im glad to hear that the project is still in progress, Good Luck!

Post by **Camel** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Julio Bro! wrote:I went over the article quickly, what did you see that indicates is no-go for 240SX aplication.

From looking at the mounting locations and the size of the unit, i highly doubt that it will fit where the idler pulley is now. The most probable fit would be a modified version of the xterra supercharger that does 7 psi stock. It is long and skinny and would fit above the power steering unit on a bracket with a custom crank pulley from asp driving it.

IMHO

Post by **Projex240** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

???

the PS unit is on the exhaust side of the motor---and the SC form an xterra is made for a v6 andis roots type---i dont see how this would be a feasble choice---the easiest waywould be to use a centrifugal and custom intake. This has been beaten to death. I wish someone would either do it and quit talking about it---or just simply quit talking about it.

-Josh

Post by **Zydeco** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Well Im too lazy to read 5 pages about this. So heres my 2 pennys. Why would you want a super charger when there are so many turbo app. out there. There are at least 3 turbo motors that will just about drop in with little to no mods needed.

Post by **blackx** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

If your not running A\C would that location not be the best spot for placing the procharger unit? For the people that are not running power steering that is even more room on that side.

I just called Accessible Technologies, Inc.(Manufacture) in Lenexa, KS since they are like 5mins from my house and they want $2300 for the Pro Charger C-1(just the base unit). The employee said she could hook me up w/ a dealer since it would be a little cheaper but even so it cannot be all the much cheaper($1800-$2000).Anyone know where to locate them for cheaper or used, anything really?

Edit: there is Procharger P-1SC w/intercooler etc etc on ebay right now for like 7 bills so I guess obtaining one for cheaper is available. Based off the procharger.com the C1 or maybe the C2 is only SC that would be efficient on a stock or well modified NA KA24DE(based off prochargers specs). Anyone have good leads on a C1?

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I think the short answer would be: We all know what a turbo kit can do in the 240SX, now we wanna know how a supercharger will do.

More to it: Superchargers have done great on most cars they are installed, now we are looking at some trends in the car market, particularly in Europe. Jaguar, Volkswagen, and Mercedes have used superchargers...it's curious that Mercedes keeps at it, this means there is something to the kompressor.

Toyota and Nissan have models with superchargers or offer it as an option, the Mazda Millennia had a variation on it.

A few US cars use superchargers and many tuners around the world love this type of boosting. For me as an engineer, is kind of obvious that car makers begin to use the belt driven compressor. A supercharger is a simpler layout than a turbo system and offers continuous power from the moment the engine is turning. Also their losses have been minimized because of better technologies.

Right now supercharging is as good as turbocharging, as said before, it's just a matter of taste. In the case of the 240SX, you can't really choose because there is nothing out there, for those of us curious, we would like to "taste" a good supercharger layout in this great engine and finally evaluate the choice.

My intuition tells me...it's gonna be great.

Post by **Camel** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Projex240 wrote:???

the PS unit is on the exhaust side of the motor---and the SC form an xterra is made for a v6 andis roots type---i dont see how this would be a feasble choice---the easiest waywould be to use a centrifugal and custom intake. This has been beaten to death. I wish someone would either do it and quit talking about it---or just simply quit talking about it.

-Josh

I did say "modified" and you can get them cheap off of ebay. Less than 100 bucks most of the time. The exhaust side id the only place that has room to do it after the filter and intake pipe assemblies have been removed.

Best placement - procharger in place of the ac compressor, no doubt about it.

I am not talking about the easiest, just the cheapest so someone might actually do it.

Post by **blacks13ek** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I would be interested in purchasing a kit, keep us tuned in pleas4e

Post by **cory2081** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

$2300 for the C-1 eh?? I may have to check and see what I can get one for. As for everyone that keeps askin "why don't you just get a turbo??" I ask you this....."Why didn't you just buy a Mustang??" The answer is simple, those of us seeking a supercharged KA want something different, we want a different power curve, different set-up, different feel to the car than a turbo will give. Not to mention we are all curious as to what a KA with a Centrifugal blower will be like. Personally, I love the whine of a Pro Charger at idle!! Just freakin' sweet!! Anyway, for those asking for kits for the S13, at this time, I have an S14, so, the first kits will be made for the S14. I would need access to an S13 to make the kit for that car. If people just want the mounting bracket to make your own kit, that would be perfectly fine with me, I'd have no prob with that. I guess I need to see what I can get a unit for and go from there. $2300 is kinda high, although, after buying the head unit, the rest of the hardware isn't all that expensive....bypass valve, piping, intercooler, fuel pump, fuel management, belt, bracket, various hardware, etc. Anyway, keep the ideas coming!!

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Hello Cory:

Is the engine in the S13 too different from the S14? I thought they were almost the same.

Post by **cory2081** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Yeah, the engine is the same, as long as it is a 91+, but, the piping would probably be different. I dunno, never looked real close at an S13.

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

From pictures I saw, at least from the firsts S14, the engine looked the same.

Post by **Camel** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Pipiing would be close enough to stretch the silicone a bit to meet any differences.

I looked at it pretty close last night and you could probably come up with a bracket to hang it off of top of the ac belt and leave the ac in place. The other thing you could do is double up the ac pulley with a custom pulley and run it from there. Just an idea, but probably better to have a custom crank pulley made.

Post by **cory2081** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

There are many ways. Putting the blower like out front of the A/C compressor would be feasable. You wouldn't have to make an entirely new crank pulley, just an add on pulley that bolts onto the existing crank pulley. The pulley for the water pump and power steering pump is bolted on and also contains the harmonic dampener, so, those same bolts could hold the pulley for the blower.

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I would say take a look at the Kennebel Miata setup, I think that would work in the 240SX engine layout. Probably would need some repositioning of the power steering pump and A/C compressor with a custom bracket, but looks like the closest application.

Post by **Chezedik** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I am in KC, home of procharger, and I would like to influence these guys to build a kit. If anyone else is in, please visit the following website, and let them know what you want:http://www.procharger.com/suggest.shtml

supercharging a 240?

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