supercharging a 240?

Post by **HEYU** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

has anybody checked out vf-engineering.com they make a Centrifugal Supercharger for the Miata I dont know if this is very usefull for a 240 application.

Post by **cory2081** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Well, I've seen the Kennebelle kits on Mustangs as well as a Dodge Dakota R/T. All of them sucked, they just weren't anywhere close to being as fast as a car with a centrifugal blower. Jackson's kits are OK, if you are only looking for some extra power, go with either of those blowers. I'm going to build a very strong KA and run at least 12PSI on it. I'm not in it for 50 extra HP, I want around 350 to the wheels.

Post by **xdreamz** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

hey guys.., just informing you all of my situation,, i have a 91 de was stock and a temp de thats in it that is stock and a 89 e stock,, if anyone need a e template for mounting try to find a sheet on a sc or mount patern and i can set it up to replace the ac or relocate the alt, and mount the sc under the throttle body,,, on the project de engine im going extreme HP, full full build, but one things i know will make anyone trying to sc a ka 's life easier is a custom crank pully,, for best results, you would need to mount everything where you want it then line all your other pulleys together, on a custom crank pully, with channel for two belts, basicly convert it to serpentine system and then and a wider pully or addon for the SC, when i get to fabrication I will be sure to try and make all these things avail seperatly, without the cost of materials i should be able to make the C pulleys for like 50 busk + mat. and the mounts for 50-100 bucks + material, or maybe somone can point me to a good cheap mill house type of biz that could make like 300pcs of each, and i would also like to find a suplier for a twin screw SC, i think that may be the best way to go? any way, let me know if anyone needs this, or has some info to help with setting up a kit or individul peices,,, I would like to set up a small kit as SC1 @ like 4psi for bout 1500 or hopfully less!!!

Matt, [email protected]AIM XDreamz99

lets chat,, i want to make this and many other things happen

Post by **Onizuka** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I would like to see something like this:

simple 2 belt driven centrifugal super. With a simple tooth belt gear mounted to the crank, and then to the charger on the driver side. Then you could just plumb it strait to the throttle as a base kit or ad a intercooler for stage one.

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

cory2081 wrote:Well, I've seen the Kennebelle kits on Mustangs as well as a Dodge Dakota R/T. All of them sucked, they just weren't anywhere close to being as fast as a car with a centrifugal blower. Jackson's kits are OK, if you are only looking for some extra power, go with either of those blowers. I'm going to build a very strong KA and run at least 12PSI on it. I'm not in it for 50 extra HP, I want around 350 to the wheels.

Got it Mr. cory, I hope you do great with your rocket-plans and again Godspeed.

Post by **jaysonrox** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I have found a website that says a S/C is coming soon. ( It has said that for for about 2 months)

http://dave_240sx.tripod.com/2....html

Post by **cory2081** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

ugh, Vortech. I wanna use a Pro Charger, self contained, no stupid oil lines, and I just like thier unit better. Ugh, I need to get on the ball and just do this. I'll probably be buying another KA to start building in a couple months.

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

cory2081 wrote:ugh, Vortech. I wanna use a Pro Charger, self contained, no stupid oil lines, and I just like thier unit better. Ugh, I need to get on the ball and just do this. I'll probably be buying another KA to start building in a couple months.

You know cory? Don't be so harsh about Vortech, I mean, I don't like oil lines either, but they do have lots of years of experience and it's one of the best quality chargers on the market. One thing about the oil feed is that it makes it a durable and reliable unit, someone might like those characteristics and that's cool.

So if finally a supercharger kit comes for the 240SX, don't matter if it's a Vortech, what matters is competition will take place and other brand tuners will bring a kit of their own and variety with lower prices could be at our reach.

Post by **mewt240** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

http://dave_240sx.tripod.com/2....htmlComplete Bolt-on Turbo Kits:*Kits are priced with T3/T4 turbos. Add $150 to each kit for the T04E turbos. T3/T4 turbos are rated for up to 450hp w/ low lag. T04s are rated for up to 500hp w/ slightly higher lag. Pictures coming soon. Stage 1 complete bolt on kit: $2450.00Includes: t3/t4 turbo, manifold, metal oil supply line, oil return line, intake piping, fittings, couplings, clamps, vacuum hoses, Turbonetics deltagate wastegate, turbo gasket, TurboXS bov (loud), boost gauge, gauge pod, and instructions. Stage 1 Kit does not include oil pan, intercooler, i/c piping, or downpipe. Stage 1 good for up to 5 psi at 220hp. Great for people who want more power with little budget.

has anyone used their turbo kits? if the S/C kit is around2-2.5K that sounds reasonable...

Post by **Nebraska240sx** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

i agree dont be so hard on vortech, hell i bought one for my truck and it works like a dream makes full boost at about 2250-2300rpm. not one problem, and ive had it almost 8 months.

Post by **GT Touring** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Hi, i am actually new to the forum, slogging and trying to build my 240 on my own (96-s14)i have no A/C as i had no -r134a so i ditched the unit- and i have been building it, what is the power potential before going SuperCcharged? then after ward- as I see the miata kit goes from a 165hp motor to 250- well what if you have 200 already? or more a good 300 something super can be found.I am weighing my options on a turbo or supercharger as i am getting on to building the engine. (i am all chassis and suspension right now)

Post by **civics91** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

any word on whats going on with this superchager deal i would like to know more about it

Post by **slushE** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I would be very interested in looking at supercharging a 240, its easier to keep as a daily driver.. cory, setup a website if you can cataloguing your stuff! If not, I can help you setup a blog that you can randomly post & add pictures to at your will..

cheers,s

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Hey people! Have any of you looked at this baby?

http://www.boosthead.com/product.php

This seems to be a rather nice alternative for those magical seconds of rocket power. This electrical supercharger is not a toy or glorified vacuum cleaner, it seems to be the real deal. But only for 15 seconds at WOT until recharge, which takes about 2 minutes.

I e-mailed them to see if they are working on an instant and continous supercharger, even if only at WOT.

Post by **shdfrk** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

i am very interested in a sc kit dont tease me ...make it happen!!! :P

Post by **whiterps13** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

yea, the torque would be amazing for a ka. i agree with the drifting thing though, you dont need to search for boost like a turbo, so i think it would be ideal. i wonder why more drifters dont go the blower route?

Post by **methodchris** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I've heard that the supercharger off of a 1986-1987 toyota MR2 will fit on a 240 and goes right where your idler pulley is...anyone else heard that one?

Post by **YRUSOSLO** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

So can I get a SC this summer from Xdreams or Vortech? I am not particular about whom; just slightly about cost. I went to "Davids" website and the SC is still in the making. It's a good thing I'm researching now for this summer. :rolleyes

Post by **Kaioshin1982** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

omg this is one thread that keeps coming back from the dead...

Post by **YRUSOSLO** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

It keeps coming back because we really want a supercharger. I will most likely stroke and bore and leave it alone.

Post by **shdfrk** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

yous sure know how to take your sweet #$! time on this kit lets get some info on the progress

Post by **Camel** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

mewt240 wrote:http://dave_240sx.tripod.com/2....htmlComplete Bolt-on Turbo Kits:*Kits are priced with T3/T4 turbos. Add $150 to each kit for the T04E turbos. T3/T4 turbos are rated for up to 450hp w/ low lag. T04s are rated for up to 500hp w/ slightly higher lag. Pictures coming soon. Stage 1 complete bolt on kit: $2450.00Includes: t3/t4 turbo, manifold, metal oil supply line, oil return line, intake piping, fittings, couplings, clamps, vacuum hoses, Turbonetics deltagate wastegate, turbo gasket, TurboXS bov (loud), boost gauge, gauge pod, and instructions. Stage 1 Kit does not include oil pan, intercooler, i/c piping, or downpipe. Stage 1 good for up to 5 psi at 220hp. Great for people who want more power with little budget.

has anyone used their turbo kits? if the S/C kit is around2-2.5K that sounds reasonable...

link is dead, guess they were not legit...

Post by **SloMoe** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

shdfrk wrote:yous sure know how to take your sweet #$! time on this kit lets get some info on the progress

I wouldn't plan on anything coming out anytime soon.

Post by **Julio Bro!** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

methodchris wrote:I've heard that the supercharger off of a 1986-1987 toyota MR2 will fit on a 240 and goes right where your idler pulley is...anyone else heard that one?

It's been sometime, but I've never heard that one. If it's true it should be nice cause that unit has an integrated electrical clutch, like an A/C compressor.

That would be great to control with a switch, for the Mad Max in all of us. :-)))

Post by **SinceByMan** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Mad Max is most awesome

a supercharged 240 would be the ducks guts!

Post by **JDM** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Im still in the market for a supercharger!! Enough with the turbos already!! There so many turbo kits now and not one supercharger kit, doent make sense to me...

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

"doent make sense to me..."

it does when you realise a turbo has more power potential, and is a bit more realiable, and its also relatively easy to design a base kit for it...

make perfect sense to me. plus, turbo kits cn move around turbines, trims, etc to get different results..something you cnt do with supercahrgers without changing the entire thing over.-chet

Post by **JDM** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

I would not say a turbo has more power potential or is more reliable, both those factors are totally dependent on the setup. However my point is a kit would be almost the same difficulty to create. Sure there are subtle differences here and there like pulleys and exhaust plumbing. But people have different tastes and lots of people make turbo kits when noone makes supercharger ones. If there is a market for the large number of turbo kits, I'm sure there is a large enough market for at least one supercharger kit.

Post by **Camel** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

methodchris wrote:I've heard that the supercharger off of a 1986-1987 toyota MR2 will fit on a 240 and goes right where your idler pulley is...anyone else heard that one?

Not going to happen.....read this article.

http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/Scnotes.htm

Post by **cory2081** » Sat Nov 23, 2002 7:26 am

Well, the interest flares up again. Just an update on where I am with my car. I have a '92 DE complete head sitting here that I am going to port/polish and install Nitrated valves in. Before I do that, I am probably going to go ahead and outfit my car with a Greddy E-manage. I need to buy a short block to build with forged pistons and all the other goodies too. Once this new engine is complete, I will most definitly start on the supercharger (if the funds are available). Now, I COULD go ahead with making a kit right now, IF I knew that there were some serious buyers here. Of course, this would be a low boost kit as my engine internals would be stock. I just don't want to spend my money on a blower for a stock engine right now, but, if i knew i could sell a few kits, i would.

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