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This afternoon, one of our good friends from the local boards came over to help Greg with the Dime. Christian happens to own a BR-Z. Since I let him drive Bella, I told him he owed me. That's only fair, right? ;)

Anyway, after assuring me that he had measured the tire-tread and fuel level, he handed me the keys and I was off. After almost an hour, I was convinced of a few things. There were three things I didn't like about it (all of which could be remedied) and a thousand things I love.

1) Whenever you ran over something in the road - crack in the pavement, manhole cover, a pebble - you felt it right into the pan of the seat. It never affected driveability, but it was distracting and irritating, considering none of our other cars have that issue.

2) The seats are uncomfortable. While all of the bolstering is good for keeping you in place on the track, I felt scrunched just driving down the road. And the seat pan is particularly horrible, IMO. If I bought one, I'd replace them within the first week.

3) There's not one in our driveway. ;) :chuckle:

As for what I love, it's everything else. It's not super-fast, but it doesn't need to be. The balance between power, weight, handling, and ease to drive make this car an easy sell. The shifts were smooth, the clutch was perfect, the exhaust note is addictive, the steering is incredibly responsive, and it can handle curves with some pretty impressive speed. The interior was nice (minus the comfort of the seats); very functional, everything is within easy reach and is intuitive. The back seat isn't very accommodating to passengers - legroom is almost non-existent- but the space is plenty big enough for "stuff". I love the real time MPG gauge. It's something I've become used to in the Insight and something I miss in all of the other cars. When you're rowing through 1-4 gears, the mileage kinda sucks (especially when you're revving up pretty high between shifts). However, once you get into 4th gear+, the mileage is pretty awesome. Christian said he was averaging around 31 mpg overall and that's not shabby at all, especially in a car that is so fun to drive. Dar loved it. Christian let me go pick him up from work in it and Dar was stunned. He was really hoping I had gone to the dealership and made a spur of the moment decision. :chuckle:

In conclusion, here are the Cliff Notes:

Would I own this car: Yes, Yes, Yes.
Would I pay full price for it? Probably not. Brand new, after taxes, they're around $28K which is a bit much for me. Granted, I don't like to pay full price for ANYTHING so I may not be the best gauge for that question. However, next year, I will be looking for them as a used car option and seeing what happens with the price / value / issues they've found in the first year. I'll also be looking at the Focus ST (which I hope to drive soon), and I always have my eye on the Mazda Speed 3 Hatch. Now, the only question I have left to consider is, do I pick the black or the blue?

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Also, sadly, Nissan has absolutely nothing to compare this too. :frown:


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Sooo jealous!
31 mpg is pretty good. I wish my S13 got that much.

I'm determined to find one to test drive.

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I know this is completely off topic, but do you still have NICO stickers? And how can I order the nico shirts???

And about the BRZ, its a nice sporty coupe but really slow for todays standards, I agree nissan has nothing that compares to a BRZ/FRS, well at least nothing that's fairly cheap since the 370z and gtr are pricey, nissan really has to bring back a more affordable sports car, a new silvia would be nice, toyota has a concept for the. supra, nissan should really consider coming up with something to compete.

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http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/nico-store.html

I did not include the Z or the GT-R for those exact reasons. The price range is way above what the BR-Z starts at.

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But you're supposed to feel all the cracks and pebbles -.-

I have yet to drive one bleh.

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I don't know how all that paypal account works.

Yeah both the z and the gtr are pricey. You're considering a mazda3, mazda rx8's are nice too, not too expensive either

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Razi wrote:Sooo jealous!
31 mpg is pretty good. I wish my S13 got that much.

I'm determined to find one to test drive.
You may get that chance. He's gonna be at Jenna Bears.

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fahq45 wrote:I don't know how all that paypal account works.

Yeah both the z and the gtr are pricey. You're considering a mazda3, mazda rx8's are nice too, not too expensive either
Then you can send me a money order to

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Just make sure you include a small note to let me know what you want.

Not a big fan of the RX-8. They're nice but I'm pretty sure I'd not drop the cash to own one.

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nissangirl74 wrote:As for what I love, it's everything else. It's not super-fast, but it doesn't need to be. The balance between power, weight, handling, and ease to drive make this car an easy sell.
Sounds like a word for word take on the original AE86 back in the day.

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My best friend in high school had one. it was an awesome car.

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nissangirl74 wrote:
Razi wrote:Sooo jealous!
31 mpg is pretty good. I wish my S13 got that much.

I'm determined to find one to test drive.
You may get that chance. He's gonna be at Jenna Bears.
:D !

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I drove it as well, and I've got a similar, if not identical, opinion to Bex.

First off, this car makes me want to get right back into HPDE - Now.

Second, I happen to love the seats, but then again, I'm more concerned with the seatback and side bolstering, rather than the pan.

Third, I could get in some serious trouble with this car - Primarily because I never did find a speed at which you can't just whip it 90-degrees around and keep going...

The reviews are spot-on. Of course it needs more power - But then again, the original AE86 had, what, 100hp? Maybe this is a good example of what American drivers need to spend some time with - A brilliantly-handling car that doesn't overwhelm with raw horsepower and forces them to LEARN TO DRIVE in order to make it "go fast".

Nissan, where are you?

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The BRZ is a classic "momemtum" car. I finally caught a brief ride in one this past weekend at a Winter Driving school. It had snow tires on it and was a hoot. But I'm looking foward to trying one out on a surface with a little more grip.
:dblthumb:

I felt the same way about RX-8's as Bex until I drove James' at Carlisle. It pleasantly surprised me how light, balanced and agile it was. I still wouldn't want to own one, but I appreciate them more now.

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asoomal wrote:But you're supposed to feel all the cracks and pebbles
Only the Japanese still believe this. As we discussed in another thread semi-recently, it's entirely possible to have a pleasant ride AND good handling.

At the same time, though, the lighter (smaller) the car, the harder it is to strike that balance. Smaller cars naturally tend to have harsher rides. Even the Germans have trouble with it, as evidenced by the last-gen C-class, which rides like the axles bolt to the driver's seat but handles like it's hung from rubber bands.

But then again, when you use macpherson struts, you can expect poorer ride quality. They tend to transfer more of the "little pebble" type stuff to the chassis than double-wishbones. That's what you get for cheaping out.

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The other thing I like about it (which I didn't like about the RX7 / RX8) is that you don't have to keep it "on boil" to get it to move briskly. As Joel said, it;s a momentum car, and if more cars were like it, we'd have a lot better drivers on our roads.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:Only the Japanese still believe this. As we discussed in another thread semi-recently, it's entirely possible to have a pleasant ride AND good handling.

I couldn't agree with that more. Potholes might jar my teeth, but overall my car rides great. I have had passengers tell me that. What impresses me most about my car is the fact that it has no rattles after 2 years on Memphis's horrible streets.

That Sub is fine. I might go drive one......I better not, cars seem to follow me home. I better wait till I'm ready to trade. :rolleyes:

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AZhitman wrote: Nissan, where are you?
They have not awoke from their 15 year nap......

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Great post guys.

I would think the motor would be pretty easy to turbo as well. Havent seen under the hood, but many people have great luck with those motors. Not to mention the ecu is fully programmable from the factory.

If I end up with a new car in the next few years it will be one of these.

Terrible that Nissan has nothing to offer people interested in this part of the market. I really like the 240z concept, but afaik that is still a dream.

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Jmoore124 wrote:Great post guys.

I would think the motor would be pretty easy to turbo as well. Havent seen under the hood, but many people have great luck with those motors. Not to mention the ecu is fully programmable from the factory.

If I end up with a new car in the next few years it will be one of these.

Terrible that Nissan has nothing to offer people interested in this part of the market. I really like the 240z concept, but afaik that is still a dream.
They aren't exactly easy to turbo. They are very high compression, so you have to be careful. There are however, multiple turbo and supercharger kits that can be had for around $5k. I think there are only two companies with tuning capability. The ECU is NOT fully programmable from the factory. ECUTek was the first to crack the code and they have a big lead on the competition. However, they charge like $800 for the proprietary tuning cable and software. That's not even including a tune.

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AZhitman wrote:Nissan, where are you?
Lagging behind Hyundai, IMO. :tisk:

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I'm surprised that Perrin or Cobb isn't neck-deep in tuning these (or maybe they are).

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AZhitman wrote:I'm surprised that Perrin or Cobb isn't neck-deep in tuning these (or maybe they are).
If it's not FI from the factory Cobb isn't going to do anything for it.

Remember them pulling their support for the Z?

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AZhitman wrote:I'm surprised that Perrin or Cobb isn't neck-deep in tuning these (or maybe they are).
Perrin is neck-deep for sure..

Cobb hasn't done much of anything.

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Eikon wrote:
Jmoore124 wrote:I would think the motor would be pretty easy to turbo as well. Havent seen under the hood, but many people have great luck with those motors. Not to mention the ecu is fully programmable from the factory.
They aren't exactly easy to turbo. They are very high compression, so you have to be careful.
That's all easily controlled with sub-injection of some kind. If you have the money for a BRZ and you're willing to go the forced induction route, you're smart enough to know that using water or methanol injection is going to be the key to any sort of reliable boost.

Another great thing about high compression is the elimination of perceived turbo lag. Since you don't have that dumpy 8.5:1 compression ratio, you retain the crisp and clean throttle response coupled with more power from idle to redline.

Adding 6 psi to a high compression motor will yield another 80whp...at a minimum. That would make the BRZ and entirely different animal. I mean, we're acknowledging the tremendous fun factor that this car brings to the table right from the factory floor. Add 80whp to that equation and you've got something very special.

Let me know when you're ready Seth ;)

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next summer B.

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There are some new controllers on the market these days that allow for very precise tuning. Not just the old on/off hobbs switch or some controller with a preset voltage ramp.

Check out http://www.alamomotorsports.com/FJO/waterinjection.html They get my seal of approval for sure. I'll visit for a few days to get that baby tuned up when you're ready.


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