Strip Clubs in Tampa Are Ready to Cash In on G.O.P. Conventi

[telcoman]

Tampa 2012

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/us/st ... n.html?hpw


“Angelina Spencer, the executive director of the Association of Club Executives, which serves as a trade association for strip clubs, said an informal survey of convention business in New York and Denver had determined that Republicans dropped more money at clubs, by far.
“Hands down, it was Republicans,” she said. “The average was $150 for Republicans and $50 for Democrats.”

Probably because republicans pay less in taxes they have more dollars to spend in strip clubs

Telcoman

[ImStricken06]

Probably because republicans pay less in taxes they have more dollars to spend in strip clubs

dude thats such crap!

Nearly Half of All Americans Don’t Pay Income Taxes. Those Americans who rely on the federal government for housing, food, income, student aid or other assistance, WHO DO YOU THINK THEY VOTE FOR? "GET A JOB" Republicans or "ENJOY WELFARE" Democrats?

so who has more money in their pockets by not paying taxes?

[hannibal]

There are millions of families that have working parents that do not earn enough to pay taxes. Only a small percentage of households that dont pay taxes are receiving public assistance.

[ImStricken06]

Only a small percentage of households that dont pay taxes are receiving public assistance.

saying things like "small" is simply pulling a convenient word out of the sky.

FACT:
When Social Security, Medicare and unemployment benefits are included, nearly half of the nation lived in a household that received a government check, according to the analysis of third-quarter 2010 Census data. Food stamps in 2011, hit a record 44.2 million.

again, who do you think they voted for?

[telcoman]

Probably because republicans pay less in taxes they have more dollars to spend in strip clubs

so who has more money in their pockets by not paying taxes?

Romney and those other Americans parking money in offshore accounts to avoid US taxation.

It may technically be legal but anyone wishing to run for public office should be disqualified by the voters.
Then the law should be changed so American citizens keeping money in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes be charged as criminals for tax avoidance,
If you want to live in this great country you need to pay taxes.
Those that don't earn enough to pay income tax will be subsidized by the lucky millionaires and billionares.

[ImStricken06]

Romney and those other Americans parking money in offshore accounts to avoid US taxation.
It may technically be legal but anyone wishing to run for public office should be disqualified by the voters.

If you want to live in this great country you need to pay taxes.
Those that don't earn enough to pay income tax will be subsidized by the lucky millionaires and billionares.

are you under the influence of anything today? lol/jk

Timothy Geithner: serving under President Barack Obama. It was revealed that Geithner had not paid $35000 in self-employment taxes for the years 2001–2004.

Ronald "Ron" Kirk: serving in the Obama administration. White House chief trade representative, didn't pay taxes on some speaking fees he donated to his alma mater and he tried to write off the full $17,000 costs of his Dallas Mavericks season tickets.

Capricia Penavic Marshall: President Obama’s choice as chief of protocol for the State Department, a position that carries the status of an ambassadorship, did not file tax returns for 2005 and 2006.

Kathy Sebelius: President Obama's pick to head up the massive Health and Human Services department, is the latest Obama Cabinet nominee to have tax issues.

Tom Daschle: who has a storied 30 year history in Washington, dropped out of contention for head of Health and Human Services because he didn’t pay back taxes on use of a limo. Those taxes amount to over $130,000

Nancy Killefer: Another Obama appointee, nominated for chief performance officer, had to back out of the job because she didn’t pay taxes on an employee.

^THOSE ARE ALL DEMOCRATS^ - AND AT LEAST OFF-SHORING IS LEGAL. BLATANTLY NOT PAYING TAXES IS ILLEGAL!!!
keep sipping pal

[telcoman]

The tax issue needs to be fixed.
Do the American people want to vote for a president that avoids paying taxes?

[ImStricken06]

The tax issue needs to be fixed.
Do the American people want to vote for a president that avoids paying taxes?

they voted for a president that avoided paying his tuition loans, even tho his tax records already showed he was technically "wealthy" and earning 6 figures.
maybe you dont see it, but the rest of the folks see it = ALL politicians are tax avoiding slime balls. yours, mine, or the others; doesnt matter.

[telcoman]

they voted for a president that avoided paying his tuition loans, even tho his tax records already showed he was technically "wealthy" and earning 6 figures.
maybe you dont see it, but the rest of the folks see it = ALL politicians are tax avoiding slime balls. yours, mine, or the others; doesnt matter.

Obama's tuition was not an issue in 2008.
6 figures is the starting salary for a first year associate attorney, High six figures for a Harvard JD degree that made law review.
You sound like you believe all the crap spoon fed by faux news.
Barack Obama was fully vetted. Only a few wingnuts believed he was not born here and was a Muslim.
Romney on the other hand not only refuses to produce tax returns that he is obviously hiding something but also refuses to go on the sunday morning talk shows.
I still remember Obama telling OReilly on Fox to shut up and let him finish his answer to a just asked question.
Romney got no balls and is a lightweight like Palin

Mitt the twit

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/27 ... -to-worse/

[ImStricken06]

Obama's tuition was not an issue in 2008.
6 figures is the starting salary for a first year associate attorney, High six figures for a Harvard JD degree that made law review.
You sound like you believe all the crap spoon fed by faux news.
Barack Obama was fully vetted. Only a few wingnuts believed he was not born here and was a Muslim.
Romney on the other hand not only refuses to produce tax returns that he is obviously hiding something but also refuses to go on the sunday morning talk shows.
I still remember Obama telling OReilly on Fox to shut up and let him finish his answer to a just asked question.
Romney got no balls and is a lightweight like Palin

Mitt the twit

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/27 ... -to-worse/

"Obama's tuition was not an issue in 2008." - not for liberals like yourself. but for others, yes it as an issue. and its tough bringing up an issue when only ONE news outlets is conservative.



"6 figures is the starting salary for a first year associate attorney, High six figures for a Harvard JD degree that made law review." - WTF does that have to do with anything? it still doesnt explain why he couldnt pay off his student owed debt even tho he was making 6figures.


"Only a few wingnuts believed he was not born here and was a Muslim." - guess you have not heard him speak arabic? guess you have not heard him ADMIT TO BEING A MUSLIM!? Obama admits that he is a Muslim. Obama bow's before a Muslim king. Obama talks about his Muslim family. etc etc

"Romney on the other hand not only refuses to produce tax returns that he is obviously hiding something" - HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET OBAMA TO PRODUCE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE? hmmm hypocrite


"Romney got no balls and is a lightweight like Palin" - dont care for Romney, nor for palin. but that still doesnt allow you to spread your bull.... so either stop the crap and start posting facts or your personal opinions based upon or around facts, or keep to yourself. no one listens to BS thats nothing but smoke, and fiction.

[hannibal]

Only a small percentage of households that dont pay taxes are receiving public assistance.

saying things like "small" is simply pulling a convenient word out of the sky.

FACT:
When Social Security, Medicare and unemployment benefits are included, nearly half of the nation lived in a household that received a government check, according to the analysis of third-quarter 2010 Census data. Food stamps in 2011, hit a record 44.2 million.

again, who do you think they voted for?

Forget trying to guess who they voted for. Lets try to get the numbers straight first.

By including social security payments, you're including nearly every household with someone over 65. Sorry I dont know how many people that are eligible for SS are actually receiving it.

By including Medicare, you're including some working families that live in poverty. If "Medicare" also includes SCHIP, you're now including working families that earn above the poverty line, but still cant afford health care for their children. Not sure which program helps expecting mothers who live near the poverty line, but theyre being counted in here too.

Finally, including unemployment benefits now counts households where a parent was formally gainfully employed, but lost their job through no fault of their own. And what caused the economy to crumble? Hint: It wasnt low income, hard working families betting on derivatives and credit swaps.

Can you honestly argue each household that falls into one of these categories votes democrat? I dont think so.

Did you really throw student aid into this picture? A kid who attends college is making an investment is his future. Very much different from the other social programs you mentioned. GI Bill is another positive, rarely disputed social program. You serve, we'll pay for you to go to school. I think you'd agree these are positive uses of funds.

Last thing, I hope youre not someone who believes the majority of households receiving assistance are black families. Just because thats the picture the news shows when discussing welfare doesnt mean its true. In fact, its not...

[ImStricken06]

Did you really throw student aid into this picture?

Last thing, I hope youre not someone who believes the majority of households receiving assistance are black families. Just because thats the picture the news shows when discussing welfare doesnt mean its true. In fact, its not...

"Did you really throw student aid into this picture?" - no i didnt. i simply said that obama didnt pay his student debts for a while, after telcoman wrote: Do the American people want to vote for a president that avoids paying taxes? that was just to prove that BOTH political parties have less than admirable tax and financial personal histories.


"Last thing, I hope you're not someone who believes the majority of households receiving assistance are black families." - In sheer numbers, white people are the largest recipient because they are the largest race in the country. But if you consider the rate at which a race receives welfare compared to its percentage of the population, blacks are by far the largest recipients.

White 38.8%
Black 39.8
Hispanic 15.7
Asian 2.4
other 3.3

[C-Kwik]

WTF does that have to do with anything? it still doesnt explain why he couldnt pay off his student owed debt even tho he was making 6figures.

Seth can probably elaborate on this more if he jumps in here but why would anyone try and pay off student debt faster than required? Student loans tend to carry a low interest rate. There is an opportunity cost for paying it off sooner rather than using the extra money to invest. As long as the ROI on the investment is higher than interest rate, you'll be better off in the long run.

[stebo0728]

I knew it was only a matter of time before the new guy, IM, got ahold of some telco bait.

[ImStricken06]

Student loans tend to carry a low interest rate. There is an opportunity cost for paying it off sooner rather than using the extra money to invest. As long as the ROI on the investment is higher than interest rate, you'll be better off in the long run.

it also depends if its federal, or private loans. id pay off private loans of ASAP.

now a days when folks with masters degrees are homeless, or flipping burgers. there is ZERO guarantee for ROI with most degree's. thats all i read about now a days is kids sitting at home and the only work they can find is mediocre minimum wage. folks go from making great money to then being fired.
in my opinion, really low or not- its still wasting thousands. You will ultimately pay less for your education by paying off your loans early. You will improve your debt-to-income ratio by eliminating that loan from your financial plate. This will free up more money for a home down payment, etc. I live by a rule of paying any debt back as fast as possible. if that means not going on vacation this year - so be it.

[hannibal]

"Last thing, I hope you're not someone who believes the majority of households receiving assistance are black families." - In sheer numbers, white people are the largest recipient because they are the largest race in the country. But if you consider the rate at which a race receives welfare compared to its percentage of the population, blacks are by far the largest recipients.

White 38.8%
Black 39.8
Hispanic 15.7
Asian 2.4
other 3.3

Not sure where you got those numbers. Do they include Social Security benefits? I dont consider SS income to be welfare (in the truest sense), as workers pay into the system then get it back when they retire. The vast majority of SS recipients are white (over 80%??).

I didnt want to introduce race, but your suggestion that households that dont pay income taxes are overwhelmingly democrats is false. While it is true that most black families vote democrat, it would be premature to assume the large number of white households receiving SS income vote democrat as well.

now a days when folks with masters degrees are homeless, or flipping burgers. there is ZERO guarantee for ROI with most degree's. thats all i read about now a days is kids sitting at home and the only work they can find is mediocre minimum wage. folks go from making great money to then being fired.
in my opinion, really low or not- its still wasting thousands. You will ultimately pay less for your education by paying off your loans early. You will improve your debt-to-income ratio by eliminating that loan from your financial plate. This will free up more money for a home down payment, etc. I live by a rule of paying any debt back as fast as possible. if that means not going on vacation this year - so be it.

There is a huge issue with UNDERemplyment. This is very difficult to measure. But it is true that people with graduate degrees make more over their careers than those without. Even during this Great Recession, unemployment for people with graduate degrees was 3.6% in 2011 compared to ~8% overall. Underemployment does help keep this number low.

[ImStricken06]

it would be premature to assume the large number of white households receiving SS income vote democrat as well

it only makes sense that those on welfare will always vote democrat. it would be counterproductive to vote republican as a welfare recipient, no?

[stebo0728]

it would be premature to assume the large number of white households receiving SS income vote democrat as well

it only makes sense that those on welfare will always vote democrat. it would be counterproductive to vote republican as a welfare recipient, no?

Two things. First of all, dont call SS welfare. People recieving it have been paying in all their lives. Its not their fault that the government forced this plan on them, then spent the money elsewhere and now current workers are having to pay for them. You cant put SS in the same group as welfare. Now some forms of disability are certainly welfare, some of the things we've labeled as disability are kinda crazy.

As far as legitimate welfare, though your theory is generally accepted, welfare recipients vote democrat. But ideally, alot of white people on welfare are frankly just the dredges of society, voting for someone who "haytes dem faggers" as much as they do trumps saving their welfare. They are so used to having the welfare they never really imagine the chance that it might go away.