still having problems.. run with shooting gas into it.. why?

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

some of you know my problems and some of you know what i replaced so far.

here's what i replaced..

plugscapfuel pumpiacv/acc tried a different ecu what my car did.... it would sometimes start and idle like crap and stall.

now with the things i replaced those didn't fix the problems...

so i check and made sure i was at top dead center... once i checked i found out i wasn't there.

so i set it at top dead center... after that the car still didn't wanna run.

so an idea came across my head and having extra gas in a soup bottle... i decided to pull off the intake filter and spray gas up the intake tube.. Once i did that the car started right up and ran this time without acutally stalling and it stayed running... but the idle was probably like im guessing 1,200 or so the idle was pretty high.. I don't know becasue all the sudden now my tach doesn't work. : (

and plus when i got to run with spraying gas up the intake tube,,, while it was running, i was hearing a spark plug knock.

Now if i get it running again with spraying gas into the throttle should i turn the idle down??? and then let car run till its warmed up, and then from there get a timing light and time it???

doing that i should no longer have anymore problems, anyone argee??

thanks for reading this again.. but i think i'm getting closer.

can someone let me know where the timing should be on the crank pulley markings and for the disturbor timing, how much do i advance or retard it??? or should i just move it till its line up in the middle between advacne and retard???

thanks again for any help.

photo's may help me too if you have photo's.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

anyone?

[thekage]

the ka I thought was 20 degrees past tdc for timing?Check the TPS and make sure it is within operating specs per FSM..

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okay well last night i had the car running and idleing but it was high... now today i tried turning the idle down some and now my car wont idle at all... all it does is the rpm's just keep bounching up and down and the whole car shakes like hell and then it'll stall after a while.

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also when i gave it some throttle it felt really really loose. why? and would that be my problem??

[dickie]

sounds like your timing might be off... be careful thats how my car got effed.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

sounds like your timing might be off... be careful thats how my car got effed.

what do i do???

just move the disturbor more advacne or more retard? or in between?

[dickie]

dont guess at it by any means. i used the fsm and also cross-referenced with several other sources and still managed to be off somehow. at tdc as indicated by my crank pulley, my cams looked nothing like they were supposed to (this is for cyl 1) so my chain jumped somehow, thats what bent the valves. that and a few other factors i wont go into. just double check what your dist. is supposed to look like at tdc and make sure its right before you crank your car anymore. the faqs you can get to from the nico main page have a great one in there for timing with pics and everything. good luck.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

d!ck... i am trying to find that on the main page for the timing and with the pics... I do not see anything?

can you post a link, Please?

[dickie]

http://www.camel-towing.com/

theres your fsm. its in pdf format. theres a heading for timing chain there.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

http://www.camel-towing.com/

theres your fsm. its in pdf format. theres a heading for timing chain there.

i can't run abobe reader on this computer tho. : (

running windows 95 and its slow. haha

[dickie]

zerothread?id=105618

good pics of setting up your timing as indicated by distributor as well.

the fsm shows where the dist should be EXACTLY at tdc on cyl 1.

ill se if i can get the pic from there to here.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

and that website... it doesn't have the fsm i need....

i need one for the ka24e not ka24de and on that web site all they have it for is the ka24de obd1 and obd2.

[dickie]

aw **** i forgot youre running a sohc motor in your car :P

forget what i said, all of it applies to dohc only... but as far as i can tell at tdc compression stroke on cyl 1 the distributor rotor should be turned so that its under the plug for the #1 cylinder. i wouldnt quote me on it though im clueless to sohc might want to ask deviouska

[dickie]

my previous opinon still stands: dont let your timing get off too much or youll eff up your engine

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

okay so d!ck,,, this link zerothread?id=105618

will not help me for doing the timing for the sohc???

i been trying to find links with pics on how to do the sohc and i can't find any.

[dickie]

i dont know what to tell you besides try and get ahold of someone knowledgable in the sohc motor... like i said deviouska is a wealth of info.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

okay i was reading it somewhere and it said for sohc the ignition timing should be 15 degress BTDC and that i should have an idle between 700-800rpm..

does it sound right?

[dickie]

ill search for any info i can find that would be helpful for you

[dickie]

23 – With the car in Neutral, use 27mm to rotate (clockwise only) crank pulley to TDC 0deg. Look at the distributor rotor. If pointing at you, then turn crank <1> more full revolution. If pointing at drivers side lower suspension, then you are in the right spot.

this is one thing i found after searching through 5 pages of results.

this is for the ka24e sohc motor.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

what is the number 23 for???

and i understand how to set it at top dead center and i have done that and that only got my car to start and run and idle but the idle was missing firing above 1grand.

and guy who helped me said well is still off time a little bit and when i get my timing light from out of my other car i'll bring it home with me and we can check it.

i dunno

[InsanityInc]

Turn your crank to 15BDTC. Turn the distributor to be directly under the #1 contact. Boom, your timing is set right. Only problem is, you may be setting it on the exhaust instead of compression stroke, so if it won't run at all, just rotate the dist exactly 180 degrees and it'll work.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

what do you mean if i set the timing right at 15BTDC and it still wont run at all??? why???

how i fix it???

just keeping the disturbor to 180 degress and it'll work??? confussed.. how would i know how to turn the disturbor to an 180 degress???

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oh and 1 more thing.. which marking is it for the sohc crank pulley letting me know i'm at 15 BTDC??? i can't find any pictures of it this.

[90SXSE KA24ET DREAMS]

alright i turned the crank pulley and set it at the 15btdc mark on the pulley and lined it up with the aligment pin... it seemed to work and kept car running... but the idle was bounching between 600 and 750.