Stance coilovers + RUCAs? Help me get dropped.

[Odysseus]

Alrighty so around the 1st of the year I plan on investing in a set of Stance coilovers, either the GR+ or the GR+ Pro, to get my S13 out of 4X4 mode.



Here are links to both coilovers...

http://enjukuracing.com/stance...2_104

http://enjukuracing.com/stance...2_104

I really want to be as low as I can and I know Ill have terrible negative camber. Im assuming that the front camber plates on the coilovers will correct most of it in the front, but in the rear Ill need RUCAs right?

Im thinking about either these Circuit Sports

http://enjukuracing.com/circui...2_138

Or these Megans

http://enjukuracing.com/megan-...2_138

Which of those would you guys reccomend and is that all Ill need to be able to run my 240 low low LOW and not have crazy tire wear? If it matters, the car is my daily driver but I plan on tracking it a bit.

Any other help would be great! Thanks!

[duffman1278]

If you seriously want to SLAM your car to the ground then I think you're better off getting Powered By Max coilovers.

As for RUCA's I'd invest in some SPL because they make some AMAZING products. Its pricey, but its well worth the extra cash.

[Koshin]

I like your car....

[Dittoz7]

What Ever You Get, Can't Go Wrong With Enjuku.

[Odysseus]

Ive heard PBM can slam but Ive seen Stance and they go low enough for me and the price is right. Im a student so price matters or else Id opt for some higher end coilovers and RUCAs.

And thanks 91SilviaKs!

I mainly need to know if RUCAs is all Ill need to be set?

[E7-S14]

buy the PBM or SPL Rucas.

Megans would work too.but pbm and spl are a tad above megans in quality.

[White Comet]

a tad? thats an understatment

[rsmithdrift]

why would you want to do that, then you wouldn't be able to go offroading anymore?? WTF man, I can tell by the dirty QP's you'd been recently.

[Space Monkey]

Powered By Max. ->PBM

"All MAX competition coilover appications are $1000"

Use the spare cash to get the PBM RUCAS.

Just check out the site man. It will make you cream.....

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/page.php?9

[Odysseus]

why would you want to do that, then you wouldn't be able to go offroading anymore?? WTF man, I can tell by the dirty QP's you'd been recently.

Right since thats the morning after I bought the car 125 miles away and since I live on a long gravel road...

And damn, that black FC is baller..

[White Comet]

And damn, that black FC would be baller..if it wasnt series 4

[rsmithdrift]

Right since thats the morning after I bought the car 125 miles away and since I live on a long gravel road...

And damn, that black FC is baller..

Oh yeah, and there wasn't a damned bit of sarcasm in that last post o mine. LMAO.

Drop that ish. Just remember, those frame rails and oil pan are the lowest part of your car. 5 1/2 inches off the ground stock. Your about to put them 1/4 of an inch off the ground.... I've got my car lowered 2 inches and I bottom out enough to crush the bottom of my oilpan. And I'm talking just from hitting big bumps too. I damn near got stuck on a speedbump the day after I installed my coilovers. I actually had to RAISE my ride hieght after I installed them. The car was too low after I first put them on.

[Odysseus]

Haha alright alright

So RUCAs should be purchased for sure with my coilovers. Should I get toe rods aswell?

And do I need to do anything else up front besides the camber plates on the coilovers?

[Odysseus]

Oh yeah, and there wasn't a damned bit of sarcasm in that last post o mine. LMAO.

Drop that ish. Just remember, those frame rails and oil pan are the lowest part of your car. 5 1/2 inches off the ground stock. Your about to put them 1/4 of an inch off the ground.... I've got my car lowered 2 inches and I bottom out enough to crush the bottom of my oilpan. And I'm talking just from hitting big bumps too. I damn near got stuck on a speedbump the day after I installed my coilovers. I actually had to RAISE my ride hieght after I installed them. The car was too low after I first put them on.

Sorry bro, its the internet. I cant tell how anyone is saying anything.

Werd, Im gonna be real careful when I drop it. I live around some pretty ****ty roads. I dont wanna have to raise it once Im L.O.W. haha

[dopplganger1]

i have stance gr+pros and they are great they have plenty of height adjustment i can barely fit my fingers between my tire and fender and i could still go 2 inches lower in the front and 3 in the back if the tires allowed for it. btw im running 16s with 55s

and i would go with spls over reasoning because ive hears pbm's are harsher than most coils with the same spring rating

btw before anyone says anything the picture in my sig is not recent so at that time my coils were not on

[Clawhammer]

I've got GR+ Pros and can go MUCH lower.

Get the toe rods as well, camber isn't the only thing affected by a drop.

Oh and my downpipe is lower than my rails and oilpan. ****, I bounce my transmission off speed bumps quite frequently.

[240lookis]

btw before anyone says anything the picture in my sig is not recent so at that time my coils were not on

if that's true, you should most definitely post a new sig. that one is hideous haha.

[dopplganger1]

thats the ride height before alignment and the sig is updated now

[Odysseus]

I've got GR+ Pros and can go MUCH lower.

Get the toe rods as well, camber isn't the only thing affected by a drop.

Oh and my downpipe is lower than my rails and oilpan. ****, I bounce my transmission off speed bumps quite frequently.

Ill get some toe rods aswell.

Haha its confirmed. Stance slam.

Am I going to have any problems going real low since I have stock wheels?

[240lookis]

you wont have to do any fender rolling to slam it on stock wheels, but you might rub through your harness if you're too low. in that case you have to take your fenders off and move the harness. i haven't done it yet, so im not really sure how.

[94_240sx]

PBMCome with 8kg/10kg springs. 6kg springs are $60 for a set.

StanceMine came with 6kg/8kg and 7kg/9kg springs.

[Clawhammer]

Yeah if you plan on going really low relocate your fender harness, and there's also a piece of metal in the wheel well that will shred tires you should bend up with a BFH.

I rubbed through the harness on the driver's side, melted 8 wires together, and my car wouldn't turn off. I'd have to stall it and then disconnect the battery.



The fix:

[Odysseus]

**** haha..I just got my Silvia front end lined up right and now Im gonna have to take off fenders to relocate wiring. But thanks for the heads up dude, Ill check around in the fender well for my harness and for that metal deal that sticks down.

[White Comet]

this is an even better fix, less wires to chew through AND relocate

[tramp_drift240]

explain what it is you did there, WC.

also, i dont like this sudden burst of MAX nut hanging. as if you can only get slammed on part shop's coils. thats ridiculous.

but yes, to answer the question (like Claw did)

when you drop the ride height, your camber will be affected. when your camber is changed, your toe is also changed. i didnt know that, didnt get toe arms for like 2 weeks afterwards and was 300% better handling once i installed 'em and got an alignment.

yes, i currently have Megan rucas and toe arms, but ill probably be upgrading at some point soon.

ill sell you my megan arms, barely used, still work great

[White Comet]

i'm only pro pbm cuz i've seen what their suspension components are like and experienced how they feel.

on to my pics, i ran all the wires i could through the cockpit under the dash, and ran only what i had to down the fender ( headlight, headlight motor, marker light, turn signal. washer fluid) hence the smaller bundle of wires. then keegan took a hammer to that lip there and bent it so teh wires can nicely ran up there and get zip tied to the washer fluid hose

[Odysseus]

Im gonna buy coils, arms and rods all at once sine Im getting a good deal at it.

How long before you wore through those wires Claw? Im thinking of tucking them before I even lower it...

[NarkedMan240]

its a good idea to look into bushings too. i have stance gr+ coils and megan rear toe arms and rucas, but my alignment won't be exactly the way i want it until i replace my buschings. I've been riding around with the stock buschings, and they're really not meant for that kind of pressure for very long. so now the front control arm bushings are f'ed and need to be replaced.. after i already paid for the alignment. It might save you time and money to work on the bushings while your installing the rest of your suspension... just my 2 cents

[adrianfromthecastle]

How long before you wore through those wires Claw? Im thinking of tucking them before I even lower it...

pff... that's probably just from a ride around the block I bet. It doesn't take long before the rubber burns up the lil plastic wrap.

I really want to be as low as I can and I know Ill have terrible negative camber. Im assuming that the front camber plates on the coilovers will correct most of it in the front, but in the rear Ill need RUCAs right?

okay, I skimmed though everyone's reponse, but let me give you the low down on at least the esential parts you'll need/want to get to get a decent ride feel.

1) rear upper control arms (oe adjustments will be maxed out and can no longer be effective)2) rear toe (oe adjustments will be maxed out and can no longer be effective)3) aftermarket outer (and inner) tie rods (lowering your car dramatically will create bump steer, which is NOT good).4 *optional) tension control rods - fix the caster after it has been altered by the lowering.

also, because of the way the front suspension is designed, front camber won't change when lowered (noticeably). Only the rears. As you go lower up front, the tow opens up. I believe its the opposite in the rears.

Second, I wouldn't recommend Megan parts. Its really a hit and miss with their parts. I've heard okay reviews, and I've heard bad reviews (welds coming apart). That's enough to tell me to stray away from their arms.

[Clawhammer]

pff... that's probably just from a ride around the block I bet. It doesn't take long before the rubber burns up the lil plastic wrap.

Yeah, I dropped the front more right before that happened. Noticed I was in the dangerzone but figured I'd be fine till the weekend when I'd relocate. Then I hit a dip at like 70mph giving a buddy a joyride around the block. Then it was a necessity to relocate...and repair haha.