staggered wheel fitment question..
staggered wheel fitment question..
I am buying a staggered wheel from HRE: 18X7.5 for the front and 18X9.5 in rear...my question is...will these wheels fit fine in the back? also I am starting apply and mold my 50MM Origin rear fenders...I am planing to cut the lining of the fenders and have them wider with the overfender so it minimizes rubbing..also I will have to do 300zx 5 bolt conversion. anyone have experience with a S13 and staggered wheels feel free to respond.
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GrilledCheese33
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Re: (chrislis)
chrislis wrote:depends on the offset, but you might have to roll those fenders a bit.
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EazyBreazy
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Re: (sdwyzs14)
9.5r is weak with 50mm overfenders. Will the fronts have overfenders too? I would mention how a 2" stagger is a pretty bad idea for performance but that's obviously not your concern.And no one can help you with fitment without offsets.Moving to the proper forum.
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whiterps13
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So, lets get this straight. Youre running 50mm overfenders in the rear with stock fenders up front on an s13? Great.
Stock front fenders of an s13 can easily take 8.5 inches wide with a +25 offset. I am running this with a minor fender roll.
Stock rear fenders can easily take a 9 inch wheel with a +20 offset with a minor roll. Once you factor in the 50mm over fenders, the numbers change. Start playing with differant numbers, using the above specs as a base. You should be looking at something 10 inches wide with around a 0 offset.
There is NO need to run spacers on custom made HRE wheels. HRE build any wheel with almost every width and offset, so spacers shouldnt even be in your vocabulary.
And as far as staggering goes, you should search before you do it. Many people have some hardcore opinions about running wheels with 2 inches of width differance.
You also might want to think twice about throwing flares on the back and leaving your front fenders stock. I guess its all a matter of preferance, but I think it would look alittle funny.
Stock front fenders of an s13 can easily take 8.5 inches wide with a +25 offset. I am running this with a minor fender roll.
Stock rear fenders can easily take a 9 inch wheel with a +20 offset with a minor roll. Once you factor in the 50mm over fenders, the numbers change. Start playing with differant numbers, using the above specs as a base. You should be looking at something 10 inches wide with around a 0 offset.
There is NO need to run spacers on custom made HRE wheels. HRE build any wheel with almost every width and offset, so spacers shouldnt even be in your vocabulary.
And as far as staggering goes, you should search before you do it. Many people have some hardcore opinions about running wheels with 2 inches of width differance.
You also might want to think twice about throwing flares on the back and leaving your front fenders stock. I guess its all a matter of preferance, but I think it would look alittle funny.
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Re: (New2SR20)
You realize that HREs are like... Notoriously ****ty wheels right? 1000$ per for wheels that the finish comes off of and aren't allowed on alot of racetracks? No thanks, RICE.New2SR20 wrote:Havent spoken with HRE yet what is the best offset i should use??? Also i want to use wheel spacers for the rear to widen the stance... Seva-The car will not have overfenders in the front..
+50s in the rear and nothing in the front? UGH.
You're buying custom wheels and you want to use spacers? WTF?
Just buy 19x7 all the way around.
Re: (McRussellPants)
Ummm sorry not sure where you get your info on HRE wheels..but look again..I have HRE wheels on my Audi and never had problems with the finish,or peeling..yeah they are expencive wheels thats why i have them...
Why the hell would u take a car with HRE wheels to the track anyhow?? are you ****ing serious?
im sorry I was not aware something was wrong with spacers...I use spacers on my audi with longer bolts and never had problems with it at all...my best friend with a AWD Corrado runs spacers on 17x10 wheels..I was not aware that there was a problem with that..
19x7....im sorry thats not rice enough for me there chief..i dont want ur wheels....
and yes I am doing 50MM wide body fenders in the back and not flares with stock front fenders..if anything i might do 20mm front fenders..but i want to see what it would look like with stock fenders and the rear wide only...so hey flame on there bud...im sure ur right.
Why the hell would u take a car with HRE wheels to the track anyhow?? are you ****ing serious?
im sorry I was not aware something was wrong with spacers...I use spacers on my audi with longer bolts and never had problems with it at all...my best friend with a AWD Corrado runs spacers on 17x10 wheels..I was not aware that there was a problem with that..
19x7....im sorry thats not rice enough for me there chief..i dont want ur wheels....
and yes I am doing 50MM wide body fenders in the back and not flares with stock front fenders..if anything i might do 20mm front fenders..but i want to see what it would look like with stock fenders and the rear wide only...so hey flame on there bud...im sure ur right.
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Re: (New2SR20)
I had a friend with them, they sucked my ******* until my forhead caved in... They were in the exact same fitment that you're getting... on stock fedner. it still looked like trash.New2SR20 wrote:Ummm sorry not sure where you get your info on HRE wheels..but look again..I have HRE wheels on my Audi and never had problems with the finish,or peeling..yeah they are expencive wheels thats why i have them...
Why the hell would u take a car with HRE wheels to the track anyhow?? are you ****ing serious?.
Spending 1000 on wheels you can't even take on a track since they taco so fast... thats cool.
Nothing is wrong with spacers. Besides the fact that your spending thousands on wheels availble in any fit you want but you're too stupid to get the offset right.New2SR20 wrote:im sorry I was not aware something was wrong with spacers...I use spacers on my audi with longer bolts and never had problems with it at all...my best friend with a AWD Corrado runs spacers on 17x10 wheels..I was not aware that there was a problem with that...
This is funny... since you're trying to be sarcastic... but its exactly what you're doing. 18x7.5? WHOA Are you sure those fenders can take madness like that?New2SR20 wrote:19x7....im sorry thats not rice enough for me there chief..i dont want ur wheels.....
It'll look like ***, just like every other car with severe rear bias (except Porsches.)New2SR20 wrote:so hey flame on there bud...im sure ur right.
I am sorry..I thought this forums was for technical help....thats why I came on this 240SX forum in the first place..if I knew this forum was full of people who hate on each others projects and ideas i would have not come in the first place..what a waste of time and writing...thanx anyhow to all those who posted...
PS: What would you suggest for the wheel size and make then since HRE's are **** and wide body is rice??? honest question.
PS: What would you suggest for the wheel size and make then since HRE's are **** and wide body is rice??? honest question.
17x9+22 plus whatver mix of extra width and lower offset you feel best and can find/afford to get the face of the wheel 50mm further outwards. But honestly, a 50mm rear overfender is hardly my style, much less with stock front fenders. I'd suggest investing in other areas of the car before/instead of widebody stuff, but that's me.
Re: (SeVa-S13)
spacers are not recommended if you're going to be racing, however, with custom wheels, there is no NEED for them, just figure out the right offset for the width you want to go with.
I am unsure about s13 wheel fitment, but if seva says 17x9+20-25ish will fit, you can start the math from there.
if you want a 9.5inch rear thats an extra 6.35mm on each side, i dont know how much room a 9+25 with give you to clear suspension, so lets assume that its just right, then if you go wider, you want to bring the wheel more towards the outside, so then a 9.5+12 would be needed to clear the suspension (using 9+25 as the "perfect fit")
so, once again, assuming 9+25 is the "perfect fit" for both suspension and fender. now you add a 50mm fender increase (roughly 2inches or 1.9685inchs to be exact), you'll have a 38mm gap between the wheel and the fender end. so in this case, if you want your wheel to be flush to the fender, you'd get 9.5-20 to -38, which personally i would discourage you from. another option would be a wider wheel, such as a 10.5-15 wheel and have a 10mm gap from wheel to fender or even a 11.5-5 wheel with approximately 3mm gap. (all calculations based on 9+25 as the correct fit, +/- is your offset, you'll need to find out what fits how, and start your calculations from there)
as far as 2inch staggering, it'd be fine for drag, however for any other type of racing where handling is important, it is not recommended when s13's already understeer a little with even width tires. The wider you go in the rear without increasing the front, the more understeer you will induce.
however, all this is for you to decide, hope this helps a little.
anyone else, feel free to correct me if you see something that is incorrect.
I am unsure about s13 wheel fitment, but if seva says 17x9+20-25ish will fit, you can start the math from there.
if you want a 9.5inch rear thats an extra 6.35mm on each side, i dont know how much room a 9+25 with give you to clear suspension, so lets assume that its just right, then if you go wider, you want to bring the wheel more towards the outside, so then a 9.5+12 would be needed to clear the suspension (using 9+25 as the "perfect fit")
so, once again, assuming 9+25 is the "perfect fit" for both suspension and fender. now you add a 50mm fender increase (roughly 2inches or 1.9685inchs to be exact), you'll have a 38mm gap between the wheel and the fender end. so in this case, if you want your wheel to be flush to the fender, you'd get 9.5-20 to -38, which personally i would discourage you from. another option would be a wider wheel, such as a 10.5-15 wheel and have a 10mm gap from wheel to fender or even a 11.5-5 wheel with approximately 3mm gap. (all calculations based on 9+25 as the correct fit, +/- is your offset, you'll need to find out what fits how, and start your calculations from there)
as far as 2inch staggering, it'd be fine for drag, however for any other type of racing where handling is important, it is not recommended when s13's already understeer a little with even width tires. The wider you go in the rear without increasing the front, the more understeer you will induce.
however, all this is for you to decide, hope this helps a little.
anyone else, feel free to correct me if you see something that is incorrect.
SeVa-S13 wrote:17x9 +20-25-ish in the rear for a very nice fitment with stock fenders. Wheel make is all preference and budget...
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If youre planning to do the wide fenders, you probably want a wider rear wheel. The point of wide fenders is to fit wider wheels, not use the same 9" wheels with lower offsets.
My opinion is that you should get at least 10" wide rear wheels. Like whiterps said, 0 offset seems like a good place to start.
For the fronts, go for a 9" wide wheel. 17x9 +20 is a popular fitment that requires minimal fender rolling.
Front: 18x9 +20, Rear: 18x10 +0But from what Ive seen, mosty wheels in back are at least 11" when used with over fenders.
My opinion is that you should get at least 10" wide rear wheels. Like whiterps said, 0 offset seems like a good place to start.
For the fronts, go for a 9" wide wheel. 17x9 +20 is a popular fitment that requires minimal fender rolling.
Front: 18x9 +20, Rear: 18x10 +0But from what Ive seen, mosty wheels in back are at least 11" when used with over fenders.
Re: (New2SR20)
well hell, if you're just interested in drag and don't care about turning performance at all, go as wide as you can in the rear, just make sure you have the power to turn those wheels and beefed up drivetrain.
with the 50mm wider fenders i would say, go with a 18x11.5-15 in the rear with some fat 305/30 18 tires and keep the 17x7.5+30's in the front with some 215/50 17's you'll have the american muscle car look on a 240
personally drag isnt my thing, i like turning. but if you dont care about turning and have the money to spend, thats the way to go!
with the 50mm wider fenders i would say, go with a 18x11.5-15 in the rear with some fat 305/30 18 tires and keep the 17x7.5+30's in the front with some 215/50 17's you'll have the american muscle car look on a 240
personally drag isnt my thing, i like turning. but if you dont care about turning and have the money to spend, thats the way to go!
New2SR20 wrote:The vehicle will not be used for racing at all exept maybe a few trips to the mustang dyno for tuning with the FC commander..followed by a few drag strip runs. It will mostly be a weekend car...
imo do it right or dont do it at all... 30mm fender from 50 overfender rear. by the way don't ask any wheel representative about what sizing you should run because they'll all factor in that you're going to have stock camber settings and it'll always be a conservative fit...
18x10 (~-5) offset front, 18x12 (~+10) offset rear..
front and rear should be 3deg camber close to perfect flush +- a few mm. if you're ***** raise the offset and lower camber but i'd run 3degs anyday.
+1 for hre being crap. get fabulous or work wheels. =) garson or estatus is ok too lol
i personally don't like staggering. even cars that come with wheels staggered i prefer to change them to same widths. because staggered only induces understeer and a more solid stance. 240 already has understeer stock. i don't think it needs anymore. but since its a hardparker it doesn't matter lol.
Modified by Juujai at 2:30 PM 5/1/2006
Modified by Juujai at 2:33 PM 5/1/2006
18x10 (~-5) offset front, 18x12 (~+10) offset rear..
front and rear should be 3deg camber close to perfect flush +- a few mm. if you're ***** raise the offset and lower camber but i'd run 3degs anyday.
+1 for hre being crap. get fabulous or work wheels. =) garson or estatus is ok too lol
i personally don't like staggering. even cars that come with wheels staggered i prefer to change them to same widths. because staggered only induces understeer and a more solid stance. 240 already has understeer stock. i don't think it needs anymore. but since its a hardparker it doesn't matter lol.
Modified by Juujai at 2:30 PM 5/1/2006
Modified by Juujai at 2:33 PM 5/1/2006
Re: (c32c7)
wrong it'll be a 50mm gap between the wheel and fender.. why because a 50mm difference of fender is being added lol. you're making it too hard on yourself. since he's customizing wheels he can have any offset and width he chooses. +3 +4 +5 offset whatever. everything revolves around camber setting... choose camber setting then wheel size... or else it wont work at all.c32c7 wrote:so, once again, assuming 9+25 is the "perfect fit" for both suspension and fender. now you add a 50mm fender increase (roughly 2inches or 1.9685inchs to be exact), you'll have a 38mm gap between the wheel and the fender end.
im sure you know that too. for instance the 17x9 +18 without any camber just slapping it on about stock height with 1 deg camber or less. stuck out 1" but after cambering it in to about 3~deg camber it was flush. so camber then figure out the wheel fitment to the exact offset
Re: (Juujai)
lol you're right, it was early in the morning, i typed 9+25 and thought 9.5+12 in my head.
Juujai wrote:
wrong it'll be a 50mm gap between the wheel and fender.. why because a 50mm difference of fender is being added lol. you're making it too hard on yourself. since he's customizing wheels he can have any offset and width he chooses. +3 +4 +5 offset whatever. everything revolves around camber setting... choose camber setting then wheel size... or else it wont work at all.
im sure you know that too. for instance the 17x9 +18 without any camber just slapping it on about stock height with 1 deg camber or less. stuck out 1" but after cambering it in to about 3~deg camber it was flush. so camber then figure out the wheel fitment to the exact offset
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damn....how would i make this fit with a STOCK fender?
Size: 2 Rims 18X7.5 1 2/3" Lip. 26.2 lbs each offset is +38
Size: 2 Rims 18X8.5 1 3/4" Lip. 28.8 lbs each offset is +35 or this
Size: 2 Rims 18X7.5 26.2 lbs each offset is +38 And 1 2/3" Lip
Size: 2 Rims 18X9.5 28.0 lbs each offset is +35 And 2 3/4" Lip
Size: 2 Rims 18X7.5 1 2/3" Lip. 26.2 lbs each offset is +38
Size: 2 Rims 18X8.5 1 3/4" Lip. 28.8 lbs each offset is +35 or this
Size: 2 Rims 18X7.5 26.2 lbs each offset is +38 And 1 2/3" Lip
Size: 2 Rims 18X9.5 28.0 lbs each offset is +35 And 2 3/4" Lip
Re: (New2SR20)
i didnt read this but i would like to add that HRE wheels have extremely poor construction, very heavy, cheap finish, soft metal. banned in SCCA for having too many wheel failures.
very very shoddy wheels, better off with FNs
very very shoddy wheels, better off with FNs
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whiterps13
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Re: (New2SR20)
Dude, you are going down the wrong path. You were talking about getting custom made HRE's, and now you are contemplating buying wheels that dont even fit your car. We gave you great sizes, go find buy some custom made Volks, SSR's, or Works.New2SR20 wrote:damn....how would i make this fit with a STOCK fender?
Size: 2 Rims 18X7.5 1 2/3" Lip. 26.2 lbs each offset is +38
Size: 2 Rims 18X8.5 1 3/4" Lip. 28.8 lbs each offset is +35 or this
Size: 2 Rims 18X7.5 26.2 lbs each offset is +38 And 1 2/3" Lip
Size: 2 Rims 18X9.5 28.0 lbs each offset is +35 And 2 3/4" Lip
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