ST anti-sway bars on base model S14-Hard to install? Experience? Handling effects?!?

[MarkEmark]

Hey allThe next upgrade I want to purchase for my 240 is the Suspension Techniques Anti-sway bars for my base model S14...Since it is the base model, it only has the front ones (which i heard are hollow,) and it has no rear ones....My question is, if my base model 240 didn't come with a rear sway bar, where will the rear sway bar mount? I think the SE model came with the rear sway bars, so I'm assuming the ST rear one will be a direct replacement for the SE, but I don't have the SE model. And, since my car only has front sway bars (and front strut bar,) I'm wondering if the rear sway bar will make the car more tail happy, something I don't really want. I want to decrease body roll, I hate it, and I want it to corner pretty neutrally, with slight understeer at the limit, and then oversteer---I want the rear end to slide out PREDICTABLY when it does, although its not something I do a lot anyway...I'm more into staying stuck to the road and not that big into "drifting," I think it's an accident waiting to happen. So if I get these sway bars, the front bar will be beefed up, and the front will also have a front strut tower brace, whereas the rear will have just the rear sway bar...so that should make it have slight understeer because the front end is more solid than the rear, correct? And if I got a rear STB, then the car would have just as much understeer as oversteer at the limit, or be completely neutral, corect? The rear sway bar is significantly thinner than the front one (1 1/8" for the front one, 13/16" for the rear one,) so that should also help for somewhat of understeer at the limit. I don't mind oversteer, but like I said, I want it to be predictable when it happens, so I can easily control/correct it. What I don't want is to have the rear end slide out in such a way that I don't realize its doing it until its too late...I already have eibach springs and Tokico blue's, so it handles relatively stiff right now, I just want it to handle even better now that I have a good handling car (It's addictive!) Also, how hard are they to install? Like a couple of hours? I've never done suspension work... I'm still weary about where the rear sway bar will go. How hard are the bushings to remove? I don't have a hydraulic lift, but I can jack it up high enough for me to get under to work on. Could the installation be down by a regular auto shop that does shocks, etc? How much would they charge? Sorry for all the questions, I just need peoples opinions before I sink $250 into these/make my car a different handling machine...Help me make my car one of the best handling-ones out there! Thanks in advance,Marc

[R240NA]

DAMN! You put way too much thought into that. Ha. The ST bars wil bolt up to a base model fine, they come with all the required hardware and total time to install both is less than an hour, very easy to do. Handling wise, you will LOVE them. Cornering is much flatter that any other mod will give you, especially on a base car. Swaybars are the first mod I'd recommend for anyone. Enjoy them.

[stunt_driver]

the only thing you need is the d mounts and the bolts you can get them at your local nissan parts dealer dont get it on the net they cost more because you have to pay for shipping also the rear sway bar stops body roll a lot i have the whiteline adjustable ones on my car

[MarkEmark]

So both of your guys' cars handle predictably and more neutral? Do they understeer right before they start to oversteer/get out of control or do they over steer? Do either of you have STB's? Stunt driver...are the D mounts something I have to get because my car didn't have the rear sway bar stock? As in you wouldn't have to get them if you had the SE model? How much did they cost you? Thanks

[stunt_driver]

d mounts are cheap like 2.99 each you need 2 of them for the rear sway bar if you dont have a stock one also you need 4 bolts i am not sure if ST swaybars come with endlinks so you would have to find out my car i feels really predictabe because it feels really tight in the front and the rear its very low-mild oversteer and very flat in the corners

[Lepchitz1]

the sway bars should come with the mounts.

[stunt_driver]

may whiteline didnt come with the d mounts came with everything else but rear d mounts and bolts for them

[R240NA]

That's because Whiteline sucks, much like you grammar skills.

[Lepchitz1]

ouch :help

[stunt_driver]

That's because Whiteline sucks, much like you grammar skills.

wow hahaha i think thats funny f*** you dammit i dont even know you and your talking s***

[Sleeping Silvia]

Ok I just got the ST sways. I am not a retard, but the rear just dont seem to fit on my base modle s14. I have not tried the front yet. I can either get the end links in OR the d bracketes. they both just dont seem to line up. The D bracket mount to the frame and the End links mount t to the top of the lower A arm. I held the car up from the frame using jack stands. what am I doing wrong?

[MaineExport]

Try instaliing them with the suspension compressed. Put the jack stands under the A-arms. I'm not sue what they recommend for installation procedures... but if it doesn't work one way.... why not try it the other way.

ALSO:

Don't tighten anything until everything is bolted loosely. Once it's all in place then tighten all four points.

[MarkEmark]

Well, the SE's have the exact same suspension set up as the base s14's except for the rear sway bar, so I'm sure if they fit on the SE, they'll fit on the s14 with those so-called "d brackets". I still haven't gotten my damn sway bars, so I wouldn't know yet! They were shipped on the third of december, exactly a month ago, from Hawaii via USPS ground...the post office sucks BIG TIMELet me know how it goes, sleeping silvia[email protected]

[stunt_driver]

here is a tip dont tighten the bolts all the way leave them loose them tighten when the car is lowered

[MarkEmark]

Stunt driver...did you install them on a base or SE model s14? How did you tighten the bolts after the car was lowered? Don't you have to get under the car to do that? I don't have a hydraulic lift, so I guess I'm at a disadvantage...

I know the front one will go in easy, no hassle, because all 240s came stock with a front one. I'm weary about the rear...I doubt there's any place for them to just bolt onto...unless nissan engineers made the brackets on the s14, just with no rear anti-sway bar to fill them...do the D brackets bolt right on?

What points did you jack the car up at in order to easily install them?

ThanksMarc:ylsuper

[stunt_driver]

yes i did install them on a base model just go under the car when its lower i jacked up the rear by the lsd housing click on the link it should helphttp://www.zilvia.net/installs/swaybarrear/doc.asp

[S14Zilvia]

stunt_driver, this is not a flame, but maybe if you tried to use just a bit more punctuation in your posts they would be easier to read. That way people would understand what you're trying to say better, and you wouldn't get ripped for it.

[stunt_driver]

heheh opps sorry

[MaineExport]

I know the front one will go in easy, no hassle, because all 240s came stock with a front one. I'm weary about the rear...I doubt there's any place for them to just bolt onto...unless nissan engineers made the brackets on the s14, just with no rear anti-sway bar to fill them...do the D brackets bolt right on?

The chassis and suspension sub-frame are identical for both the SE and base models. The threaded holes will be right there for you.... any good kit should come with the D brackets and bolts. The only functional difference between the two models is the rear sway bar.... all they do is smack one on there at the factory... they are really the same car in everyway... but the SE gets a couple cool extras bolted on.

[MarkEmark]

Thanks maineimport, that's just what I needed to know! Hopefully they will come with them, they "contain all necessary hardware...."Luckily for me, mine has every SE amenity EXCEPT the 5 lug hubs and rear sway bar...

[MaineExport]

Luckily for me, mine has every SE amenity EXCEPT the 5 lug hubs and rear sway bar...

Me too!!!

well I also lack the white face gauges, front lip spoiler, and rear spoiler.... but why split hairs!!!

[Nismo_Freak]

Adding the rear sway alone would make the car no longer push but oversteer more. But since the ST sways are paired they tend to give a neutral setting with a little more understeer (thicker front bar) to make up for the RWD tendancy to walk out.