ok. the time has come. i have my 5k ready for swap. but now i am not sure if i really want to swap it. because : 1. it won't pass smog . which will cost me $150-250 to do it done every other year.2. it is gonna be a clean swap? coz it sure won't be like GT3 where u pay the money for a swap and "ding"..the next morning u get up . the swap is done and the car drive runs fine from then on ? right? 3. i don't really know much about cars.. so if there is anything wrong with it.. i will have to take it back to the place where i got the swap from and have them look at it.. which will cost me alot? 4. i am not rich! so after the swap.. there won't be anything major to repair or anything right?
so please help me out guys.. tell me what u think and.. tell me what u think i need to know.. about the swap.. !? thanks alot.
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SpeedRacer1
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Listing stupidity of s14lover, where to start:Quote »it is gonna be a clean swap? coz it sure won't be like GT3 where u pay the money for a swap and "ding"..the next morning u get up . the swap is done and the car drive runs fine from then on ? right? [/quote] i dont have to say anything about this, my sides already hurt. that "right?" was genius...Quote »ummm....cuz that would be gay????....good questions dude its like life you never know if your gonna get carjacked until it happens[/quote] Someone answered your question and you say its gay... If your not looking for input then dont ask, or else youl get me flaming your stupid self. You dont deserve an sr, you probably just saw it in your brand new issue of superstreet. smoked.
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that was kinda mean.. instead of say someone is stupid.. u should think of what u are posting as well.. first u didn't answer my question which is ok! but u don't have say someone is stupid just coz they posted something u dont agree with. i mean if u don't like what other are posting just clikc back and look at some other thread. and the GT3 thing was an analogy, if u don't get what Analogy mean look it up!
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No, it will not be like GT3; this is reality. No, you should not do it. Why? Because "you do not really know much about cars." Please do not take offense to my response. I am not trying to flame you in any way. People just need to realize that you cannot swap these motors without money and knowledge. SpeedRacer is right, upgrade your suspension or something. Learn more about cars, and specifically, your car.
I understand what you guys are sayin about learning the car and all that, but wont it be pretty much a different car with the new engine? I imagine most all of it will feel pretty different with the new engine, so whats the point of learning how it moves with the KA? The only thing that would probably remain the same is the handling, but then you guys say upgrade the suspension... so really what is he supposed to 'learn,' the silvia or the 240? Just a thought.
**edit: well ok, if this is his first car I can understand the learning bit... he should start with something a little less powerful... but if he knows how to move a car around... a different car is a different car, dont ya think?
**edit: well ok, if this is his first car I can understand the learning bit... he should start with something a little less powerful... but if he knows how to move a car around... a different car is a different car, dont ya think?
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The only reason I would say 'no' is because 5000 IS NOT enough to take into account everything that can go wrong. Can you do the swap yourself for 5000 yes, can you guarentee it will run perfectly after that; Not a chance in hell. Do you have the experience to figure out whats not working? Doesnt sound like it.
Hence the reason I told him to do something else. I think before I speak (almost all the time).
Hence the reason I told him to do something else. I think before I speak (almost all the time).
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fiznat wrote:I understand what you guys are sayin about learning the car and all that, but wont it be pretty much a different car with the new engine? I imagine most all of it will feel pretty different with the new engine, so whats the point of learning how it moves with the KA? The only thing that would probably remain the same is the handling, but then you guys say upgrade the suspension... so really what is he supposed to 'learn,' the silvia or the 240? Just a thought.
**edit: well ok, if this is his first car I can understand the learning bit... he should start with something a little less powerful... but if he knows how to move a car around... a different car is a different car, dont ya think?
No, it won't be a different car. It will still be the same car with a motor that it should have had : ) I am not saying that he should stay with the KA so that he can just learn about the KA. I am saying that he should stay NA with the KA, and learn more about what is what, what does what, etc.
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BinaryVertigo
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89sxRCRyou're such a hater with i/h/e, cams, and ecu
at your level you should be apprieciating that others are trying to understand more about their cars and not disrespect them for what they have to say no matter how their questions are worded
as for the swap silviaS14 i'd say you chill a little for nowmy guess is that you are fairly new to your car or just cars in general.... you should spend a little more time on this board and FA if possible to learn what you need to learn and take it from there
5000 is totally possible for a complete swap plus ALOT of goodies if you do it yourself and acquire a motor set from a reputable source (dauntless on this board for example)....i really hate the idea of taking it to a tech to drop it (the sr) in because then if something goes wrong...he might milk you etc...now if you do the swap yourself...it will be a great learning experience...actually from what i read from others...it will be a great experience all together...given the fact that you take your time doing it and with the right help (this board and freshalloy.com) AND another car as a daily driver.
anyhow...g luck with your car-demitri
at your level you should be apprieciating that others are trying to understand more about their cars and not disrespect them for what they have to say no matter how their questions are worded
as for the swap silviaS14 i'd say you chill a little for nowmy guess is that you are fairly new to your car or just cars in general.... you should spend a little more time on this board and FA if possible to learn what you need to learn and take it from there
5000 is totally possible for a complete swap plus ALOT of goodies if you do it yourself and acquire a motor set from a reputable source (dauntless on this board for example)....i really hate the idea of taking it to a tech to drop it (the sr) in because then if something goes wrong...he might milk you etc...now if you do the swap yourself...it will be a great learning experience...actually from what i read from others...it will be a great experience all together...given the fact that you take your time doing it and with the right help (this board and freshalloy.com) AND another car as a daily driver.
anyhow...g luck with your car-demitri
my apologies to s14lover, even though his answer sucked ***. I confused his s14 name with the other s14 name, all looks the same to me...Quote »at your level you should be apprieciating that others are trying to understand more about their cars and not disrespect them for what they have to say no matter how their questions are worded[/quote] why cant i have the right to hate? I actually have MORE of a right to hate for being here for a while because i get sick of these posts. Stupid questions deserve stupid answers, and that gt3 thing pissed me off cuz it sounds just like a pre teen thing, who wants to look cool. Quote »but u don't have say someone is stupid just coz they posted something u dont agree with. i mean if u don't like what other are posting just clikc back and look at some other thread. and the GT3 thing was an analogy, if u don't get what Analogy mean look it up![/quote] are u talking about the "thats gay!" statement or the "is it like GT3" statement.... either way i can say "thats stupid." And by the way you forgot so many "s" letters that i can say maybey you better look up analogy, mr. english major. My only mistake was thinking s14lover and silvia14 were the same person, for that i am sorry, i just glanced at the names. Everything else can stand, he still shouldnt get the SR.
Opinion?
Keep your money for the moment. I appreciate that you've saved a fair bit for your motor, and roughly the right amount. But:
1. You're new to cars - you said yourself that you don't know much about them. You're talking about an automotive heart transplant - even if the engine was designed for the car, there's still complications (just like putting my heart into your chest). If you're not comfortable enough to do the swap yourself, you won't be comfortable enough to fix it.
2. If something goes wrong, you're screwed. You're reliant on the person who performed the swap to fix the problem, at his/her convienience, and more importantly, his/her price.
3. While engine swaps are fun and grand things to do, there's lots of other things that can be done to the car. Not even counting the obvious (wheels/body), what about brake upgrades (my stock S13 brakes blow - switching to the Z32 (that's a 300ZX) brakes is a good project for someone who wants to get into it)) or suspension upgrades (lowering the car for increased handling, tunable shocks for better ride, strut tower braces (that's the bar that goes across the engine bay) to stiffen the chassis (less flex = more stick), etc)?
4. Driver training. I have no idea how old you are, how skilled or experienced you are, or anything else, so please don't take this as an insult. The single best modification to any car is a better driver. What good is power and handling if you can't use it?
Then there's the stuff nobody thinks about, like rollcages, race seats, 4 or 5pt harnesses, and other safety gear.
Tips for gettings started - MONEY:
#1 TIRES - The four most important pieces on your car - everything the engine and suspension do must go through these tiny patches of rubber to get to the ground. Burning out never made anyone faster, and spinning never made anyone take a turn quicker. I like the Falken Azenis, Bridgestone Potenza S03 Pole Positions, and for the budget minded, Kuhmo Ecsta Supras.
#2 BRAKES - If you can't stop, that fast car isn't going to do you much good when it's buried in the trailor of a semi. There's the Z32 (that's the chassis code for the 300ZX) swap, and Brembo says they will make a kit (includes rotors/calipers/etc) if ten people order it.
#3 SUSPENSION - Now that you're not plowing in a semi, and you can put your current suspension to good use, time to get a better one.
Look at coilovers (GAB, Tein, and JIC make good sets), which are matched sets of spings, shocks, and adjustable perches so you can adjust your ride height. The Teins actually have a system available called EDFC (Electronic Damper Force Control) that lets you control your shocks from INSIDE the car (too cool). Look into strut tower braces (again, the thing that goes across the top of the engine bay), but don't forget about things like anti-sway bars (they go between the wheels under the car), tie bars, and the all-important bushings (every metal part in a suspension that joins is connected with a rubber donut - one bar has a hole in the end, like the eye of a sewing needle, that the donut goes in, and the other arm goes in the middle of the donut) - the softer the bushing, the softer the ride but the worse the handling and vice versa.
While you're doing that, do this to improve your skill:
Attend your local SCCA events - you can pilot your stock car; all you need is a helmet (they'll loan you one for free), your car, a valid driver's license, and around $15.00US. They'll not only teach you how to drive, but give you the opportunity to practice REAL racing in a controlled, safe, and legal environment.
If you can afford it, attend a driving school like Skip Barber's, Bob Bondurant, or others. It's usually around $1500, but it's worth it.
Read, read, read. There's lots of books on the physics of actual racing (yes, it's physics, but the books generally don't deal much with math), and lots of books on modifying engines. "Boost", by Corky Bell, is an excellent one about turbos, for example.
ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS - you can ask me, Daunt, or any of the other "distinguished' members of the board. I have no problem telling you I have no clue when I have no clue.
All in all, welcome to the club, enjoy yourself, and remember - race safe.
Keep your money for the moment. I appreciate that you've saved a fair bit for your motor, and roughly the right amount. But:
1. You're new to cars - you said yourself that you don't know much about them. You're talking about an automotive heart transplant - even if the engine was designed for the car, there's still complications (just like putting my heart into your chest). If you're not comfortable enough to do the swap yourself, you won't be comfortable enough to fix it.
2. If something goes wrong, you're screwed. You're reliant on the person who performed the swap to fix the problem, at his/her convienience, and more importantly, his/her price.
3. While engine swaps are fun and grand things to do, there's lots of other things that can be done to the car. Not even counting the obvious (wheels/body), what about brake upgrades (my stock S13 brakes blow - switching to the Z32 (that's a 300ZX) brakes is a good project for someone who wants to get into it)) or suspension upgrades (lowering the car for increased handling, tunable shocks for better ride, strut tower braces (that's the bar that goes across the engine bay) to stiffen the chassis (less flex = more stick), etc)?
4. Driver training. I have no idea how old you are, how skilled or experienced you are, or anything else, so please don't take this as an insult. The single best modification to any car is a better driver. What good is power and handling if you can't use it?
Then there's the stuff nobody thinks about, like rollcages, race seats, 4 or 5pt harnesses, and other safety gear.
Tips for gettings started - MONEY:
#1 TIRES - The four most important pieces on your car - everything the engine and suspension do must go through these tiny patches of rubber to get to the ground. Burning out never made anyone faster, and spinning never made anyone take a turn quicker. I like the Falken Azenis, Bridgestone Potenza S03 Pole Positions, and for the budget minded, Kuhmo Ecsta Supras.
#2 BRAKES - If you can't stop, that fast car isn't going to do you much good when it's buried in the trailor of a semi. There's the Z32 (that's the chassis code for the 300ZX) swap, and Brembo says they will make a kit (includes rotors/calipers/etc) if ten people order it.
#3 SUSPENSION - Now that you're not plowing in a semi, and you can put your current suspension to good use, time to get a better one.
Look at coilovers (GAB, Tein, and JIC make good sets), which are matched sets of spings, shocks, and adjustable perches so you can adjust your ride height. The Teins actually have a system available called EDFC (Electronic Damper Force Control) that lets you control your shocks from INSIDE the car (too cool). Look into strut tower braces (again, the thing that goes across the top of the engine bay), but don't forget about things like anti-sway bars (they go between the wheels under the car), tie bars, and the all-important bushings (every metal part in a suspension that joins is connected with a rubber donut - one bar has a hole in the end, like the eye of a sewing needle, that the donut goes in, and the other arm goes in the middle of the donut) - the softer the bushing, the softer the ride but the worse the handling and vice versa.While you're doing that, do this to improve your skill:
Attend your local SCCA events - you can pilot your stock car; all you need is a helmet (they'll loan you one for free), your car, a valid driver's license, and around $15.00US. They'll not only teach you how to drive, but give you the opportunity to practice REAL racing in a controlled, safe, and legal environment.
If you can afford it, attend a driving school like Skip Barber's, Bob Bondurant, or others. It's usually around $1500, but it's worth it.
Read, read, read. There's lots of books on the physics of actual racing (yes, it's physics, but the books generally don't deal much with math), and lots of books on modifying engines. "Boost", by Corky Bell, is an excellent one about turbos, for example.
ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS - you can ask me, Daunt, or any of the other "distinguished' members of the board. I have no problem telling you I have no clue when I have no clue.
All in all, welcome to the club, enjoy yourself, and remember - race safe.
Oh, some links:
http://www.scca.org - Sports Car Club of America - find your local chapterhttp://www.google.com - Wonderful search engines.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~s...r.htm - great discussion of SR20DETs.http://www.stanford.edu/~voloshin/lhowwhy.html - An explanation of torque (read it, trust me - it's slow and boring but worth it)http://directory.google.com/To...cing/ - good list of racing sites.
Feel free to email/PM me, and I'll send you all my bookmarks for cars.
http://www.scca.org - Sports Car Club of America - find your local chapterhttp://www.google.com - Wonderful search engines.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~s...r.htm - great discussion of SR20DETs.http://www.stanford.edu/~voloshin/lhowwhy.html - An explanation of torque (read it, trust me - it's slow and boring but worth it)http://directory.google.com/To...cing/ - good list of racing sites.
Feel free to email/PM me, and I'll send you all my bookmarks for cars.
On the topic of good books to read for beginners, could you guys list some? I am completely new to cars and want to learn. I have been hanging out on the boards here for about a month reading, and am loving it. I will devote myself to reading any books you guys think will tell me what I need to know about cars. I am looking to do a swap in about 8 months, and want to be ready when I finally get all of the money together. And by ready, I mean that I want to do the swap myself and be able to fix any problems that come up. Thanks alot for the help guys.
thank you Team503.. thanks ur input.. and all the options that u suggested was great..um.. maybe u can e-mail me ur screen name or something.. so that i don't have to wait as long to ask u question? coz. posting questions here is tough .. you never know if othere people will hate on u and talk **** about ur posts. but.. i do some the basic about cars.. and yes. i think i need more practice on driving..
and ok for 89sxRCR .. the GT3 was just an analogy .. showing that i do understand there are follow ups to do.. after .. if i swap the engine.. (ex fixing any problems that might happen after the swap) if u don't like it.. fine.. i'll have to say sorry.. too bad.. i've have posted a stupid question.. i guess i should left that out.. didn't know people will hate on stuff like that..
and ok for 89sxRCR .. the GT3 was just an analogy .. showing that i do understand there are follow ups to do.. after .. if i swap the engine.. (ex fixing any problems that might happen after the swap) if u don't like it.. fine.. i'll have to say sorry.. too bad.. i've have posted a stupid question.. i guess i should left that out.. didn't know people will hate on stuff like that..
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