Alright...I'm trying to decide whether to keep my '97 GSR....or sell it and swap a Sr20det motor into a 240sx chassis....since this is a 240 board and I'm expecting some biased opinions, i'm going to post this on a honda board too...so if you guys could give me any pros/cons I would greatly appreciate it
oh my car setup is as follows:Itr pistons " camsg-force ecuitr vlave springsSkunk 2 intake mani.AEM itr caiApex'i N1Apex'i V-afcaem cam gearsaem pulleys(prelude injectors not on car)
So I'd be lookin at puttin in new pistons...and upgrading fuel delivery....looking for around 300ish hp prob...
Thanks,MAtt
Sr20'ed 240 or turbo gsr
Do you prefer a smooth comfortable ride, or a cracked out, fully on the edge of your seat driving experience? The first one more closely approximates what you'll get with an SR20DET powered S13/S14. The second is what the GSR will likely be like.
The benefits of the Nissan chassis is that it's rear-wheel drive, and the engine that you'd be dropping into it is built by a company with a history of building over-engineered, race inspired engines. The compression on the SR20 is already turbo friendly, and there are many knowledgeable tuners.
The benefits of the GSR are that they are comparitively <sp?> light-weight and you already have the motor. If you think you can safely turbo the thing without it grenading, then go for it and have fun. From where you're currently sitting, it would take a lot less effort for you to stick with the GSR.
Personally, I think that FWD cars are sort of for p****** when it comes to truly having ultimate control over the driving experience... but if you're just driving around town and want to fly from stoplight to stoplight, then they're kind of predictably cool. My sister has what started life as a 93 Civic DX and now has a B18C5 in it. The thing is quick enough as is, and I can only imagine that a turbo could push the car into 'fast enough' without much effort.
The benefits of the Nissan chassis is that it's rear-wheel drive, and the engine that you'd be dropping into it is built by a company with a history of building over-engineered, race inspired engines. The compression on the SR20 is already turbo friendly, and there are many knowledgeable tuners.
The benefits of the GSR are that they are comparitively <sp?> light-weight and you already have the motor. If you think you can safely turbo the thing without it grenading, then go for it and have fun. From where you're currently sitting, it would take a lot less effort for you to stick with the GSR.
Personally, I think that FWD cars are sort of for p****** when it comes to truly having ultimate control over the driving experience... but if you're just driving around town and want to fly from stoplight to stoplight, then they're kind of predictably cool. My sister has what started life as a 93 Civic DX and now has a B18C5 in it. The thing is quick enough as is, and I can only imagine that a turbo could push the car into 'fast enough' without much effort.
If I were you I'd sell your GSR man. You can probably get a solid $10-12k for it...and that'd give you plenty of money for a SR.
If you do decide to turbo your GSR it's going to be a beast at 300hp. And at that power level I would also consider getting the block re-sleeved. Sure there's a lot of people who have run that much HP on stock internals or just lower compression pistons, but there's a lot more who have grenaded their engines within a short time after going turbo....so do yourself a favor and do it right the first time so it won't cost 2X as much when you have to do it again. I just don't trust boosting an engine that was built and meant for N/A. If you can't get it re-sleeved at least get a block guard.
Come to http://www.team-integra.net/ and look through the articles section and the FI forums, and I'm sure you can find out more than you could want to know about turbo GSR's and their setups that work and last.
Good Luck-Jon-
If you do decide to turbo your GSR it's going to be a beast at 300hp. And at that power level I would also consider getting the block re-sleeved. Sure there's a lot of people who have run that much HP on stock internals or just lower compression pistons, but there's a lot more who have grenaded their engines within a short time after going turbo....so do yourself a favor and do it right the first time so it won't cost 2X as much when you have to do it again. I just don't trust boosting an engine that was built and meant for N/A. If you can't get it re-sleeved at least get a block guard.
Come to http://www.team-integra.net/ and look through the articles section and the FI forums, and I'm sure you can find out more than you could want to know about turbo GSR's and their setups that work and last.
Good Luck-Jon-
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If you get a 240...and live in a state...let's say Minnesota, you would probably want a winter FWD car.
If you get a 240 with teh SR swap, you are looking about 202 HP stock...which runs around 15's or break 14's
Your GSR has 175 HP stock already and hits 14.9 at the track, NA
So think about it? I love integras, from LS, GSR, to Type R...they all have protential. Your GSR with stock boost will definitely beat a stock 240sx with SR in it.
If you get a 240 with teh SR swap, you are looking about 202 HP stock...which runs around 15's or break 14's
Your GSR has 175 HP stock already and hits 14.9 at the track, NA
So think about it? I love integras, from LS, GSR, to Type R...they all have protential. Your GSR with stock boost will definitely beat a stock 240sx with SR in it.
Well yes if he does live where it snows a lot then a teg would be better...if it was not a 300hp one, I couldn't imagine trying to drive a 300hp FWD car in the snow or ice, especailly considering how hard it would be to get traction at that power when the roads were normal. Also GSR's run mid 15's in the 1/4 stock, the type R can pull about 14.7 with a good driver. Integras weren't meant to be drag cars though so that's pretty good for them.
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I have to say at what you have put into the GSR you are better off staying with that. But I would also recomend a re-sleeve. Once you have that motor built it should be able to handle what you want to do with it. If you want quarter mile times though dont be cheap with suspention work. My friend lowered his and it turned like it was on rail and the problem with spinning the wheels when he launch got a lot better. Made huge differance in the 60' times.
I don't think fwd cars are for p******. I'm not a prof. racecar driver, but my understanding of racing, autocross, or roadracing, even drag racing, is that your approach in driving, or your driving style will have to adjust according to fwd, or rwd. also from different types of cars. The BTCC (?- is that right? ...i'm thinking of the British Touring Competitions), are fwd. As well as a lot of the Road racing shown on the Speed Channel. You see fwd and rwd cars sharing the course. Sometimes you even see a fwd car beat a rwd car. A lot of the professional drivers driving fwd cars, am sure, have driven, or raced, a number of different types of cars, from american muscle, to imports (euro/jap.). I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think having ultimate control over the driving experience is limited to just rwd cars.
As far as the topic is concerned. here's another way to look at it. It really depends on what your goals are for your car. Whether it be your Integra, or something else. If you look at your car as a project, ask yourself if you've accomplished the goals you had for your car. if you think you have, and you feel like you need a fresh project car, then you're ready to move on to another project car...240!
As far as the topic is concerned. here's another way to look at it. It really depends on what your goals are for your car. Whether it be your Integra, or something else. If you look at your car as a project, ask yourself if you've accomplished the goals you had for your car. if you think you have, and you feel like you need a fresh project car, then you're ready to move on to another project car...240!
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a GSR runs mid 15's is a slow GSR with crappy driver. My friend runs his GSR at 14.9 - 15.1, a type R teg runs 14.7, and a b18c5 in a 98 hatch runs 14.4-14.5...considering mildly modded with just i/h/e. Since you put that much money into your GSR, keep it unless you can afford a 240 and a sr or rb swap, go for it. But if you really wanna try something different, welcome to the 240 family, but then again, you would need a winter FWD car.
cpt276 said it best. What do you want to accomplish with your project. My goal was to build a fun weekend track car that can still pull daily driver duties. I have that and now have been to VIR and Beaver Creek (later this year) to have a blast!
At the track you can see Miatas dogging Mustangs and a Civic Si that I couldn't get out of my azz. FWD or RWD you can have fun and be fast it's just how you drive.
Me personally I would keep the GSR get a racing licence and run in the East Coast Honda Challenge...well that's what I am doing with my '92 Civic
At the track you can see Miatas dogging Mustangs and a Civic Si that I couldn't get out of my azz. FWD or RWD you can have fun and be fast it's just how you drive.
Me personally I would keep the GSR get a racing licence and run in the East Coast Honda Challenge...well that's what I am doing with my '92 Civic
As much an sr powered 240... (I am one of the people waiting for my swap to be completed by Afterdark... hopefully by next week ), I think it's unfair to put down a fwd car. Even for drag racing. Even on a budget. You can build a competitive fwd drag car for around 10k: Civic hatch ($2000 for a shell), H22A motor ($3500), and a turbo kit (pick one of the many kits available - $3000). With $1500 for misc. items. This will get you in the low 12's, high 11's.
Nobody's head is in their A$$, otherwise we'd all be racing Fox-Bodied Mustangs.
), I think it's unfair to put down a fwd car. Even for drag racing. Even on a budget. You can build a competitive fwd drag car for around 10k: Civic hatch ($2000 for a shell), H22A motor ($3500), and a turbo kit (pick one of the many kits available - $3000). With $1500 for misc. items. This will get you in the low 12's, high 11's. Nobody's head is in their A$$, otherwise we'd all be racing Fox-Bodied Mustangs.
Fox bodied mustangs are one of the best drag cars out there 
I would LOVE to see you put together an 11 second honda on a 10k budget. I think I could do it, but there wouldnt be much honda left when I was done! You left one important thing out of your budget: engine management, upgraded fuel system, and good tuning.
I would LOVE to see you put together an 11 second honda on a 10k budget. I think I could do it, but there wouldnt be much honda left when I was done! You left one important thing out of your budget: engine management, upgraded fuel system, and good tuning.
Re: Sr20'ed 240 or turbo gsr
gsrboy wrote:Alright...I'm trying to decide whether to keep my '97 GSR....or sell it and swap a Sr20det motor into a 240sx chassis....since this is a 240 board and I'm expecting some biased opinions, i'm going to post this on a honda board too...so if you guys could give me any pros/cons I would greatly appreciate it
oh my car setup is as follows:Itr pistons " camsg-force ecuitr vlave springsSkunk 2 intake mani.AEM itr caiApex'i N1Apex'i V-afcaem cam gearsaem pulleys(prelude injectors not on car)
So I'd be lookin at puttin in new pistons...and upgrading fuel delivery....looking for around 300ish hp prob...
Thanks,MAtt
Give us a link to the honda thread that you posted. I want to see what they say. Thx.
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Who said anything about buying a Civic, and Dropping a turbo H22 into it?? Yea it might work, good luck on a ten thousand dollar budget though. A little more goes into it than one might think, it all looks so pretty on paper until you acutally get started. Low compression - STOCK, turbo - STOCK, rear wheel drive - STOCK. I still say its a no-brainer. Leave the Hondas for the ricers.
All I can say is my cousin had a gsr super charged and I walked away from him in any gear with a full car. He hated it. He always wished I would miss a gear so he could pull past. Neadless to say it never happend. Put a turbocharged gsr up against me anyday I'll take em. He'll spin his tires thru the first three gears atleast. I wont even dump the clutch. Now if he has a built block and some traction then you got a race. And they handle pretty good at the track but 240s are know for they're handeling abilities too. Pound for pound 240s will eat the gsr-t/s
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well as mentioned a million times, RWD is just better for drag racing, and imo is much funner to drive, and from a financial standpoint, you could sell that gsr and get a 24o with plenty of money left over, and drop in your SR (or ever thought of RB?) and still have money left over, the choice seems clear to me, id' go with the sr'd 24o, its just more bang for the buck, but its ultimately your call, what are the honda guys saying about this?? just out of curiosity, im wondering what the major advantages of keeping hte gsr are
The only major advantages to keeping the GSR that I could see is that it may handle a little better. They handle like they're on rails if you have just a few cheap things. For the most part I'd imagine the honda guys are telling him to keep it, but I drive an integra and I say get a 240 because like it was said pound for pound and price wise the 240 is better.
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check out my site
http://groups.msn.com/Pixostuf...ist=2
you'll see "Previous GSR" and then "My precious"
Can't be more obvoius than that : )Trust me you won't get the turbo'd b18c as reliable as you ever want it to be than an sr20det. Build quality is def in the nissan than the acura. Are parts starting to squeek? Panels gettin' lose? Rust in the back seats (hatchback)? That funny noise somewhere near the headers? haha well whatever. Get the 240sx u'll love it. I do.
http://groups.msn.com/Pixostuf...ist=2
you'll see "Previous GSR" and then "My precious"
Can't be more obvoius than that : )Trust me you won't get the turbo'd b18c as reliable as you ever want it to be than an sr20det. Build quality is def in the nissan than the acura. Are parts starting to squeek? Panels gettin' lose? Rust in the back seats (hatchback)? That funny noise somewhere near the headers? haha well whatever. Get the 240sx u'll love it. I do.
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:Werd , a rear wheel drive car with good weight distribution wil almost always out handle a FWD car, now of course if u stick a stock camaro v6 against an o3 ITR, then you'll get a different story, however a 24o will out handle a gsr very easily, understeer will kill you in the gsr, and yes gsr's will handle very well with a few minor mods, but put those few minor mods into the 24o, and it will be no contest, try digging up old issues of SCC, they have had projects of trying to make 24o's handle better, very well written as wel, look for them and you'll see how well they handle, even before modsZaxx84 wrote:All I have to say is 50/50 front to back, 54/46 side to side weight distribution in the 240. No GSR can compete with that.