sr vs rb

[OutToWinPAHC]

Not many people are driving around on a fresh well maintained SR anymore.

I love the way the kiddies think these 10 year old Silvia engines are in better condition than the average 240s'.

They get the s*** beat out of them for most of their lives and then you buy them. They need a rebuild too.

In the sake of quoting everything.... DING DING DING

[S14toRPS13]

Not many people are driving around on a fresh well maintained SR anymore.

I love the way the kiddies think these 10 year old Silvia engines are in better condition than the average 240s'.

They get the s*** beat out of them for most of their lives and then you buy them. They need a rebuild too.

KAs get beaten up on just as much as SRs. Are you trying to say 200k+ miles KAs are suitable for turboing in their current conditions then? I'll go with the SR anyday if that's the option you're throwing out there. I'm not trying to dog on KA-Ts when they're done right. I seriously wanted to go KA-T with my current car, but ended up finding a better deal on an SR. This thread isn't about debating which engine is better, stronger, more powerful and so on. It's about which engine is better for a beginner. I guarantee you if a newbie takes on a KA-T or an RB project, a year from now he'll be frustrated, broke, debt out the @ss, and still won't have a proper running car.

[themadscientist]

KAs get beaten up on just as much as SRs. Are you trying to say 200k+ miles KAs are suitable for turboing in their current conditions then?

I invite you to show me where I said that.

I guarantee you if a newbie takes on a KA-T or an RB project, a year from now he'll be frustrated, broke, debt out the @ss, and still won't have a proper running car.

Add SR and CA to that list. Neither engine is suitable for a teenager with paper route money. Leave the f*** thing alone and spend your time cleaning the car up, doing the basic maintenance it is certain to need and learning to drive it. Enter some autocross and track days and actually enjoy the car moving under its own power with the crisp handling of a properly setup suspension and save that ZOMG JDM! BS for later.

[raremotive]

Add SR and CA to that list. Neither engine is suitable for a teenager with paper route money. Leave the f**king thing alone and spend your time cleaning the car up, doing the basic maintenance it is certain to need and learning to drive it. Enter some autocross and track days and actually enjoy the car moving under its own power with the crisp handling of a properly setup suspension and save that ZOMG JDM! BS for later.

Glad you agree with my post from page 1.

If you do your upgrades(brakes, suspension, adjustments, etc) one by one instead of all at once, you will develop an understanding of how each help your car performs. If you do all at once, you will only and always will be confused of where the gains came from.

[S14toRPS13]

KAs get beaten up on just as much as SRs. Are you trying to say 200k+ miles KAs are suitable for turboing in their current conditions then?

I invite you to show me where I said that.

I love the way the kiddies think these 10 year old Silvia engines are in better condition than the average 240s'.

Not word for word, but "the average 240". What's the average 240 these days? Look up on craigslist all over the country and you'll find the average 240 to be a beat up, half modified mess, with a 200K miles KA. What's your definition of "average 240"?

Add SR and CA to that list. Neither engine is suitable for a teenager with paper route money. Leave the f**king thing alone and spend your time cleaning the car up, doing the basic maintenance it is certain to need and learning to drive it. Enter some autocross and track days and actually enjoy the car moving under its own power with the crisp handling of a properly setup suspension and save that ZOMG JDM! BS for later.

If you look at my first post, I said an 18 year old shouldn't be messing with a SR.

Actually I wouldn't even recommend a SR to an 18 year old. You can do some serious damage with it if you're reckless and most 18 year olds are.

Now with that being said, if an 18 year old was to decide to spend his/her hard earn money on one of the engines(and they will regardless of what we say), it'd still be smarter to go SR for obvious reasons.

[themadscientist]

What is so obvious? One wore out engine versus another wore out engine. One potentially likely to get your car impounded if a smart cop catches you, one that's fully legit. I don't share your opinion of the SR as obviously anything, but a different engine.

So all the 240s are beat up half-done projects, eh? I wonder how they got that way. If I were stateside and I was going to get a 240 I would just stick with the KA24 and skip the keeping up with the mad tyteness crap. That, or jam an FJ20 in it, for obvious reasons.

[OutToWinPAHC]

I bet half this thread is typing FJ20ET into google right about now..... I like your style.

On a side note where are you, and can you accuire a TB48DE?

[twiztid240s13]

Not many people are driving around on a fresh well maintained SR anymore.

I love the way the kiddies think these 10 year old Silvia engines are in better condition than the average 240s'.

They get the s*** beat out of them for most of their lives and then you buy them. They need a rebuild too.

Yeah i know any motor that old is gonna need a rebuild if your going to push more boost throught the engine or run it hard, otherwise its going to go to s*** real quick.

[Fenris]

FJ20 is kewl and all, but i think i might trade my sr20 sil40 for a decent condition 240RS with an FJ24....

I still say the best motor swap for anyone is the 1GZ-FE motor.

[S14toRPS13]

What is so obvious? One wore out engine versus another wore out engine. One potentially likely to get your car impounded if a smart cop catches you, one that's fully legit. I don't share your opinion of the SR as obviously anything, but a different engine.

So all the 240s are beat up half-done projects, eh? I wonder how they got that way. If I were stateside and I was going to get a 240 I would just stick with the KA24 and skip the keeping up with the mad tyteness crap. That, or jam an FJ20 in it, for obvious reasons.

Nobody's mentioned anything about being jdm tyte. I've already stated my reasons why I'd suggest an SR. I don't know where you're at, but a KA-T will still get you into trouble here. I don't understand all this talk about carb'd turbo kit for the KA, KA-T will pass smog talk, because if you take that to the a state ref here, you'll still fail.

[themadscientist]

I bet half this thread is typing FJ20ET into google right about now..... I like your style.

On a side note where are you, and can you accuire a TB48DE?

Dude, I wish. WTF is that thing, holy crap! Can you imagine that bruiser swapped into a car instead of that huge SUV, what a missile!

[OutToWinPAHC]

I know you can find them in the middle east, Russia and down under.... I just want one, not sure what for yet

[themadscientist]

Nobody's mentioned anything about being jdm tyte.

I did. Most of these kids are not picking engines based on logic, they are being trendy. They see these "JDM" engines in magazines and just want them. If you can't understand that you must being ignoring the hundreds of threads like this with the same MO, "ZOMG SR20, gonna beat them Hondas and V8s and suzy might let me fingerbang her if I win the race!"

I've already stated my reasons why I'd suggest an SR. I don't know where you're at, but a KA-T will still get you into trouble here.

SR on the vehicle's records? Uh NO! KA there, duh, yuhuh! At least it's the original motor. If you are suggesting the SR is as easy to argue for from a hood pop perspective that just doesn't wash under even passing scrutiny.

I don't understand all this talk about carb'd turbo kit for the KA, KA-T will pass smog talk, because if you take that to the a state ref here, you'll still fail.

Carb turbo? Somebody suggested that? I've seen some old timers blow through carbs and that s*** is a lost art and a constant headache.

So a heavily modified anything will fail you say? I'm advocating for not deviating from the original engine and you are pushing an engine that is wrong every which way. You won't even get that car hooked up to the sniffer with an SR20 in any competent inspection station because it's not even the right engine for the car.

Way to beat yourself in an argument, but I don't need the help, I can prove you wrong myself.

[badbob2121]

Are you two girls done arguing which one of your opinions is correct?

Oh wait...

[OutToWinPAHC]

He meant CARB aka California Air Research Bureau.... And damn I cant find the link but there was a CARB legal turbo kit for the 1991 Nissan 240sx.... way back when

[S14toRPS13]

I did. Most of these kids are not picking engines based on logic, they are being trendy. They see these "JDM" engines in magazines and just want them. If you can't understand that you must being ignoring the hundreds of threads like this with the same MO, "ZOMG SR20, gonna beat them Hondas and V8s and suzy might let me fingerbang her if I win the race!"

SR on the vehicle's records? Uh NO! KA there, duh, yuhuh! At least it's the original motor. If you are suggesting the SR is as easy to argue for from a hood pop perspective that just doesn't wash under even passing scrutiny.

Carb turbo? Somebody suggested that? I've seen some old timers blow through carbs and that s*** is a lost art and a constant headache.

So a heavily modified anything will fail you say? I'm advocating for not deviating from the original engine and you are pushing an engine that is wrong every which way. You won't even get that car hooked up to the sniffer with an SR20 in any competent inspection station because it's not even the right engine for the car.

First off, kids are picking the SR due to the JDM craze. That's not the reason I recommended the SR.

SR wrong in every way? You're suggesting a KA-T on a thread where an 18 year old is asking which engine to go with. If you're staying on topic and not arguing about SR vs KA-T, you're still wrong. My point isn't which engine is better for the streets, for smog reasons, which one is stronger, more reliable, it's which one is the most beginner friendly. If you want to argue which engine to swap in then, why not a RB26, 2JZ, or even an LS9? There are ups and downs with every engine, but I don't see how an SR isn't the most beginner friendly engine out of the choices.

You heard a lot about people blowing through State ref inspections, everyone I know who's gone through had a rough time. So who do you believe? I'll believe those I know before I listen to some he said she said fairytale story online.

[nevertheless]

Not sure how good your income is, but the sr20 is going to be cheaper, but if your willing to fork over some cash, and patience for a build. I would go with a Rb25.

[themadscientist]

First off, kids are picking the SR due to the JDM craze...

Glad we agree. look at the OP's opening post for point of reference.

That's not the reason I recommended the SR.

I don't care why YOU recommend it. My argument against it is not directly counter to yours so both can exist in the same space with the person who must decide yes or no on this particular engine left to determine which point is more relevant to them. You would go SR, I would not. The third person is free to go any way they want and will.

SR wrong in every way? You're suggesting a KA-T on a thread where an 18 year old is asking which engine to go with..

You're doing it again. Show me where I said anything about a KA-T. Reading, fundamental.

If you're staying on topic and not arguing about SR vs KA-T, you're still wrong..

Prove it.

My point isn't which engine is better for the streets, for smog reasons, which one is stronger, more reliable, it's which one is the most beginner friendly. .

I find the one that is in there already, is legal to be there in the first place, is already wired and plumbed to the car to be most beginner freindly. You seem to have a different definition of "freindly."

If you want to argue which engine to swap in then, why not a RB26, 2JZ, or even an LS9? There are ups and downs with every engine, but I don't see how an SR isn't the most beginner friendly engine out of the choices.

You heard a lot about people blowing through State ref inspections, everyone I know who's gone through had a rough time. So who do you believe? I'll believe those I know before I listen to some he said she said fairytale story online.

Again, you should read. I have been arguing for NO SWAP OF ANY KIND. Clear enough? As far s freindly, I can confirm the FJ ain't. The list of stuff it takes to get it in there is rediculous, but it will bolt in. Hood won't shut, though.

What do I believe? I tend to lean on logical arguments when handing out advice. Now in my personal decisions I do whatever I feel like. this is that other thing, though so logic up. Let's try shall we?

Inspections are tough. agreed?

Even with the original motor, they are tough. Agreed?

Adding new and larger variables like turbo kits and the like can only complicate things. Agreed?

Changing the engine completely to an illegal one makes it easier? WTF?

I would like to study your neural pathways because you got a whole different reality happening in there don't ya?

[Wolfheckler]

Just for everyone's reference there was a great article about the advantages and disadvantages of each swap in the latest issue. It also happened to be an all nissan issue which was also cool

[S14toRPS13]

Inspections are tough. agreed?

Even with the original motor, they are tough. Agreed?

Adding new and larger variables like turbo kits and the like can only complicate things. Agreed?

Changing the engine completely to an illegal one makes it easier? WTF?

I would like to study your neural pathways because you got a whole different reality happening in there don't ya?

I'll make it clear. The kid wants more power, hence he's not looking for a stock KA. Yes, we both agree most kids shouldn't be messing with more power anyways, but people are going to go after what they want. When you mention KA, the only one that's worth mentioning would be a KA-T, if you're thinking about any serious power. If I was to do a KA-T, it'd have to be done right. A complete rebuild, from the bottom up, quality turbo, manifold, injectors, engine management system, dyno the whole deal as you'd want it to last you for a bit. Now instead of going through all that trouble, anyone can find an SR in a decent shape throw it in, wire it up and be on the go. Sure you take the chance of getting your hood popped, state ref, impound, but it's the risk a lot of us take. You don't have to agree, but imo, the SR is the easier of than the other options. Ofcourse unless you're talking about keeping in the stock KA, but who wants to buy these cars to keep it stock anyways.

[asoomal]

You're still gonna have to do all the gaskets on the SR...

[themadscientist]

Agreed on the KA build, but I would still advise a rebuild on the SR as well. If I had to choose between the RB and SR I would say SR and I don't even like the SR. The RB brings other difficulties to the table that are not worth it IMO unless you are looking to make over 400hp. Below that, a freshly overhauled SR with the top end bandaged with lash killers should survive all day long, drop onto the KA's crossmember and not bump into your hood.

I must say, though, the more LS swaps I see the more I like them and would probably entertain it for my own car.

[S14toRPS13]

True, rebuilding an SR would be the smart thing to do. I've had luck with SR's so far so that's why I see them as more reliable. My first one pulled right out of a front clip. Only thing new installed on it at the time was a clutch and it's been running over 10 years with no major issues as a daily driver. My second one was rebuilt by a local shop and has been my daily driver for the past 4 years.

I've thought of LS swaps myself. Especially if I can get them to pass state ref and smogged. It'd be worth the money.

[twiztid240s13]

Nobody's mentioned anything about being jdm tyte.

I did. Most of these kids are not picking engines based on logic, they are being trendy. They see these "JDM" engines in magazines and just want them. If you can't understand that you must being ignoring the hundreds of threads like this with the same MO, "ZOMG SR20, gonna beat them Hondas and V8s and suzy might let me fingerbang her if I win the race!"

I've already stated my reasons why I'd suggest an SR. I don't know where you're at, but a KA-T will still get you into trouble here.

SR on the vehicle's records? Uh NO! KA there, duh, yuhuh! At least it's the original motor. If you are suggesting the SR is as easy to argue for from a hood pop perspective that just doesn't wash under even passing scrutiny.

I don't understand all this talk about carb'd turbo kit for the KA, KA-T will pass smog talk, because if you take that to the a state ref here, you'll still fail.

Carb turbo? Somebody suggested that? I've seen some old timers blow through carbs and that s*** is a lost art and a constant headache.

So a heavily modified anything will fail you say? I'm advocating for not deviating from the original engine and you are pushing an engine that is wrong every which way. You won't even get that car hooked up to the sniffer with an SR20 in any competent inspection station because it's not even the right engine for the car.

Way to beat yourself in an argument, but I don't need the help, I can prove you wrong myself.

i dont have to worry about emmissions, my car is a safety only inspection, im in NC so it dont matter, yall are rambling and arguing about which motor is better this that and the other, i was jsut wondering which motor would be the better option in the long run.

[themadscientist]

No engine is the answer to all questions. It depends a great deal on your personal needs, available funds and long term plans.

[OutToWinPAHC]

[twiztid240s13]

No engine is the answer to all questions. It depends a great deal on your personal needs, available funds and long term plans.

i was planning on going sr just for now and to have something with some power but not to much then going rb later on

[HellaFlushSR20s13]

He meant CARB aka California Air Research Bureau.... And damn I cant find the link but there was a CARB legal turbo kit for the 1991 Nissan 240sx.... way back when

I remember way back when seeing that greddy made a CARB legal turbo kit for the KA, granted it cost a s*** like 2k or something but yeah, I don't know if this is still available or If i just mistook it for something that it wasn't