SR trouble with the cop in california

[xiongbs13]

have anyone got in trouble with SR20 in california with the cop. if you have how much trouble did you go through and was it hard to get the fix ticket approve by the referee. i know that SR20 are illegal in california but is there a way to referee the ingine swap and if there is let me know, and if there is a fine, how much does it cost.

[240esseckz]

my fiend got reffed wit his sr...he said he either has to swap in a ka or pay $400 fine

[xiongbs13]

have you heard of anyone getting introuble by the cop or the CHP with an SRand if they did how much trouble did they get into....

[PowerGrid06]

[jdm_master_X]

ive been reffed about 4 times now. the minimum is state ref, middle is a fine, and maximum is impound for 30 days. it all depends on the violation that got you pulled over in the first place, and it also depends on the cop.

[88Brandon88]

ive been reffed about 4 times now. the minimum is state ref, middle is a fine, and maximum is impound for 30 days. it all depends on the violation that got you pulled over in the first place, and it also depends on the cop.

I have a question, how did you get it smogged?

[themadscientist]

Ref, as in referral? What is this middle school? Is there no way to get tested and certified as polluting no more than than the engine that was in there. That's the big worry right, smog? I am just glad California erected that force field that keeps out of state pollution from sneaking in

[jdm_master_X]

ref = referee = state appointed smog technician

the referee will make the call on whether the motor should be classified as a gross polluter or whether the car poses no concern on excessive emission. in the case of SR20s, the SR fails visually because it lacks an EGR valve. however, a few SRs have passed, but just barely.

[themadscientist]

Why doesn't some clever bastard make an EGR valve retrofit kit?

[jdm_master_X]

I have a question, how did you get it smogged?

either swapped engines with a friend (my SR for his KA) or go to a "lazy ref".

for registration, i just fork over the extra $180 for smog.

[jdm_master_X]

Why doesn't some clever bastard make an EGR valve retrofit kit?

ive always tried to tinker with it, but i havent had the time nor the resources. i made a post for this ages ago with no relevant answers.

[themadscientist]

If the state would be straight-up and say exactly what must be corrected to comply it would be a simple matter to put together a smog package for the SR. I suspect the state would be vague about it and throw in last-minute changes at every turn to discourage people.

[jdm_master_X]

yeah i know what you mean. because eventually we could run out of KAs....so hey why not make the SR pass smog?

well i think its because the state is well aware that "these cars are driven by street racers, therefore not smogging their beloved SRs should keep them off the streets and filling our pockets." i think its because SR owners (or swap owners in general) represent a fraction of the general public who have cars that need a smog inspection.

[themadscientist]

I think about how evil I am running no catalytic converter every time I drive, er recklessly streetrace past a factory belching smoke unmolested. Hey senator, here's an unregistered Japanese schoolgirl to play with, can you get off my *** now?

[88Brandon88]

I think about how evil I am running no catalytic converter every time I drive, er recklessly streetrace past a factory belching smoke unmolested. Hey senator, here's an unregistered Japanese schoolgirl to play with, can you get off my *** now?

Yeah, I know what it's like to live on the wild side. I don't have a front license plate.

[D*star]

Its copS, plural.

[themadscientist]

maybe not, budget cuts and all. He must be rakin in the overtime though!

[adrianfromthecastle]

if your ref'd, theres no passing it with an sr. its an illegal swap, period, regardless if you can pass smog or not.my answer, hazw8st. search for him, he is the answer /thread

[kamikazestorm420]

if your ref'd, theres no passing it with an sr. its an illegal swap, period, regardless if you can pass smog or not.my answer, hazw8st. search for him, he is the answer /thread

adrian, have you dealt with him personally?

[adrianfromthecastle]

adrian, have you dealt with him personally?

havent met him personally, but he's emailed me with all the info i needed. he referred me to a local station that does the thing. Norm's talking to him as well.

paying 200 every 2 years sucks balls... just pay 400 once for him, and never get smogged (and reffed) again ...

[240sx_ftw]

sr is an illegal swap. no way to make it pass. find someone to smog it for you, of course you gotta pay extra. just go KA-T. i know its not 'JDM' but it has more torque and HP. also i heard its cheaper to rebuild and turbo the KA.

[kamikazestorm420]

havent met him personally, but he's emailed me with all the info i needed. he referred me to a local station that does the thing. Norm's talking to him as well.

paying 200 every 2 years sucks balls... just pay 400 once for him, and never get smogged (and reffed) again ...

i gotta smog my car by march, and i was trying to go with him. LMK how it turns out.

[PoPUp'S]

Been W/ My SR 4 like 1 year and a half No trouble with cops (Thank God ) ive been pulled over but 4 dumb reasons Like My Muffler (HKS Hi_power) i Just Say Its Under The DB and show some Fake HKS Paper DONe With That< Plus dont they need a Warent 2 pop up ur hood u can easy just say NO!

[The Law]

Been W/ My SR 4 like 1 year and a half No trouble with cops (Thank God ) ive been pulled over but 4 dumb reasons Like My Muffler (HKS Hi_power) i Just Say Its Under The DB and show some Fake HKS Paper DONe With That< Plus dont they need a Warent 2 pop up ur hood u can easy just say NO!

Say no and see what happens then come and tell us.

[Red coupe]

If the state would be straight-up and say exactly what must be corrected to comply it would be a simple matter to put together a smog package for the SR. I suspect the state would be vague about it and throw in last-minute changes at every turn to discourage people.

Its not that the state wont say whats require...you can get that info if you look...I got a few smog manuals that probably have it...

But simply put you have to retrofit all the smog equipment that came on the original engine to the other engine, to go and have the ref. inspect and pass it off, at that point they give you papers and IIRC a new under hood label as certification thats its OK.

It could be done, but its a lot of beurocratic stuff, and no company has go through the trouble of doing it yet....(Would be very cool if some company would pull it off)

I'm fairly sure they have the right to pop your hood, I would say no anyways...because if they cant they will even if your saying no, so it never hurts to respectfully decline.....IIRC they have to inform you of your rights as well, Ive honestly gotten out of them opening a bong case because when he told me to open it up I asked "do I have to?"he sighed and said no....

[R6_240sx]

Say no and see what happens then come and tell us.

Haha seriously, say no and u'll get ur car towed away and then searched.

The SR will never be legal b/c u can only swap the same engine that came on the car and it can't be older either.

The only way u can pass ur car these days at any smog shop is if ur car is stock, I doubt a KA-T will pass since its an illegal modification, correct me if I'm wrong though.

I agree w/ adrian, hazw8st seems to be pretty legit from word of mouth, and the smog is also LEGAL, he also does CARB exempt which is different from getting ur car smogged. More read up here.

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[wzntha]

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[Red coupe]

thread has likely been moved to the Moved topics area....only mods/admin can view it....

I was basically a post from the guy who linked to it....He works at a smog shop that will smog your SR with some loophole. It was probably considered spam because every now and again he would bump a ton of old smog threads offering a little advice so he could plug his shop.

[NISTECH]

Smog laws and the smog technician 101:

In the US, not just california, all production engines must go through an epa emissions testing in their expected vehicle configuration. These engines must meet a specific set of emission numbers and have certain equipment to be certified by the federal government for use within US boundries. The state of California works under these guidlines and expands on it by requiring certian other devices in a feable attmept to lower numbers even further. California law states only engine certified within the US epa testing can be used in the state of california.

With that said, The old common small block chev 350 swap into a Datsun 280z is perfectly legal as long as 1] the engine is the same year or newer then the chassis of the car and 2] all the emissions components from the chev configuration are present on the Z. This is legal becuase the 350 was certified under the federal testing.

Where the JDM sr20 falls in this situation. It has never been certified within the US. So it is not legal and "technically" will not pass smog. Now the USDM SR20 is legal to install in any car older then the motor. However significant differences exist. JDM AND USDM differences.The biggest is lack of an EGR valve. The other big one is coil over plug rather then distributor ignition system. The USDM has an egr and distributor. Regardless of tail pipe numbers this engine is illegal.

The Smog Technician: In the world of flat rate and lazyness, If they are not familier with nissan or 240 configurations an sr20 might blow right through without even being recognized and listed in the inspection report as a ka24 since the tech really doesnt know what hes looking at. A hint; the cleaner the swap and the less performance parts you have visable the easier it is to pull this over on a smog tech, just stay away from nissan dealers. If your under hood is a mess or has alot of vaccum tee's that dont look factory he will likely do a closer inspection. Make sure every smog device that is listed either on the under hood label or in the inspection componet list book every smog machine has is present on the car.

Yes you will hear about sr20's getting through all the time, that is why.