sr swap finally complete! (56k Warning)

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UselessEngineer
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Hey all,

After 9 months of research and spending more money than Michael Jackson at a Toys-R-Us I finally have a turbocharged import sleeper.

Nothing about this swap seemed easy (mostly my fault but hey, got to learn sometime...) but when I heard the BOV kick off for the first time I giggled like a schoolgirl.

From the beginning then:

I bought a s14 from Yury at Heavy Throttle (Jeff and Yury - great guys, I recommend them highly to anyone) where I would get many of my pieces. It had a lot of goodies already on it: lightened flywheel, ACT clutch, 555cc injectors, a s15 turbo - the works.



I also bought a few other things to help carry the load: custom hotpipe (more about that little #$% later Blitz FMIC Blitz SS BOV Blitz SBC-iD boost controller and power meter Apexi turbo timer Koyo Radiator Walbro 255 fuel pump Z32 MAFS Apexi N1 Dual catback Catco cat Greddy 3" downpipe C's short shifter trunk mounted battery kit

I was also going for a automatic to manual swap (yes, I'm ambitious, I know) so I had to go scrounging around for master slave cylinders, driveshaft (the automatic is not the right size), clutch pedal assembly, etc. Included in that "etc" which I failed to notice in other peoples explanations is the crossmember which holds the transmission up. Just a word to those doing the transmission swap, the crossmember is NOT the same - you have to pull one off of a manual car. They look very similar but the bolts just won't line up. Hopefully that will save you some time that I wasted :)

So we got to work. I had the install done at a local shop called Fastech by a great mechanic, Billy, who did a great job of dealing with all the unforseen headaches of this swap. We yanked out the KA:



and started installing things...

The first headache came when we realized that the s13 hood/body did not give the same clearance that an s14 does. When the intercooler piping was all connected we noticed that the hot pipe was just a little high. High enough that the hood wouldn't close.



Not a terribly good picture because of perspective, but the hot pipe rose about three inches above the engine and bumped into the hood. I didn't want to have to modify the hood (you know- wanted a sleeper as much as possible) so we took a sharp rotating object to the hotpipe and cut out a ring so as to shorten it without affecting the angle. After three tries we finally got the sizing correct. Each time we had to be extremely careful when putting the two pieces back together to make sure my car wouldn't be unintentionally whistling when the tubo decides to get out of bed and go to work.

That's not that bad, right? Oh, there's more....:(

After we installed the engine and started to put some oil in it, we noticed that the floor was unusually shiny. With a black substance. Which looked like oil. After digging around we decided to take off the oil pan and look what we found:



I know, I know, you're supposed to expect this kind of thing, but still, this car is my daily driver and we were now working on our third week of it being in the shop. We sewed that up slapped it back on, and moved on.

The driveshaft and exhaust went in without a hitch (surprisingly):



Now we move onto the final headache - wiring. To all those who are thinking about putting an s14 engine into a s13 car - DONT! I spent a whole lot more money and a whole lot more time for about 20 HP. Honestly, it's not worth it. If I had known earlier what a pain it would be to get the wiring harnesses to match up I would have just gotten a black top, plugged the two in, and been out on the street a few weeks earlier. Ok, sorry...just hoping to help a few others out with what I have learned. Check this out:



Nasty, huh? There seems to be very little documentation in the US about the s14 wiring harness so my mechanic had to start from square one. After extensive use of a multimeter, wire stripper, and soldering iron (and about 2 weeks) we thought we had it. We turned it over and it fouled the plugs almost immediately. We rechecked everything, changed the plugs, same thing. We did this several times, sent an email to Yury, called all our friends. We showed that we had compression, we had spark, we had fuel ( we had LOTS of fuel - 555cc injectors work well :) ) but we had no boom. We were mystified. We double checked the timing with the only manual we had for an sr20det s14 (which was one I had found from Australia). It matched, we were flabergasted again. We took the head off and looked inside but everything was clean



We talked to JWI about the ECU because we thought that was all it could be - they were adamant that it wasn't they're reprogramming. We were now about 2 months into the project and I was about ready to throw batteries at kittens by this point. Finally, at midnight, just messing around, we changed the timing again and VROOOM! :D ("And there was much rejoicing") To all those who have Australian manuals, THE TIMING NOTCHES ARE WRONG. I'm not sure which year it was for (it was in really bad shape when I got it through the grape vine) but approach with caution.

I'm going to drive around in it for about a week before we put the boost controller, power meter, and turbo timer in just to be sure all the bugs are out. I should be able to run about 1 bar I decided. We'll see. Maybe in the next few weeks I'll have an opportunity to get it on a dyno and see what I'm making. Till then I'm going to go pick on some Hondas! :)

I have a lot more pics of the swap if you want to see them: Sr Swap


Altiman94
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that isa very well written up story, I actually enjoyed reading it. Congrats on your newly swapped car.

BoyWonder
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Congrats man! Looks good, but I bet it feels a hell of a lot better. Let us know how she feels once ya turn up the boost. Some very good "gotchas" too. Not that I'll be putting an SR in anything any time soon, but it's always good to know these things :DAlso, ya don't have to tell us, but how much total damage was done to your bank account in the end after this rather lengthy install?

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yeah really. price check on the engine swap.. congrats too. very swwet engine man. are you supposd to put a z32 maf owhen doing the swap? give us an update on the other goodiesonce they are gone. im want to now if the blitz bov is any good, my 2 friends hvae greddy type s on theirs.peace

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HAH!!! sorry, but i just noticed i have nitrous and bolt ons !!!!!!!!!!!!! wooo hooo!!!!

UselessEngineer
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thanks guys.

As for the damages, I figured it's about 8 grand.

A year back I had saved up some money for a car and I had to decide beteween putting a good chunk down on a new one or buying an old one and fixing it up. I wanted to learn about cars and the best way I know is to get in and do it (I build computers too - same idea) Last year I didn't know the difference between my *** and a wastegate and now I know a lot more. Not a lot, just more :)

...And Hellion, you suck - I'm still in "Hubcaps" (in moniker and in life, actually) :) congrats, man - keep spreading the knowledge!

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I'd take an old 240 over 90% of cars out today. Good choice!

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awesome congrats

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Touchdown038
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Congrats man! Thanks for the write-up! :) Good to hear you didn't start throwing batteries at kittens, that would have not been very nice.

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240SXedUp
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I guess you arent really a "useless engineer". ahahahahahahahaha boodoom chh

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creophus
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Nice write up and nice pics. I hope you enjoy that S14 sr. I know I'm enjoying mine. I put into an S14 though. You could read all about it on my website below.....hint hint.

whiterps13
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good write up. you could have had phase2 do a s14->s13 hybrid wiring and saved alot of trouble.

StrangeLove
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Very nice story, you just convinced me not to do an engine swap :D

NX95240
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very nice write up on the car. like it alot

ca18det_boy
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so.....what are the timing differences? How far was it off?

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Treyz
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I want my S13 Blacktop =*( !!!

But nicely done... even before reading i noticed that it was a S14.

fwd2rwd!
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Hey bro, great swap! Congrats! I will be purchasing an S13 Blacktop from Heavy Throttle in a couple of weeks.....I will let him know that you recommended them.........Once again.....AWESOME!

civics91
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nice swap

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PalmerWMD
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What a great write-up.Why dont you send a link to this thread to "article manager" and see if he includes it in ourarticles section?

Fred...:)

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tm_kickz
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Sweet write up. I enjoyed reading it. Pictures came out O.K. Thanks

[Zero-S]
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BoyWonder wrote:I'd take an old 240 over 90% of cars out today. Good choice!


Zach?? (yeah sorry its OT)

Love the story, sounds like something I'd write up about getting the #$)$&in alarm to work on my 3000GT...

sgpnismo
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im having the same timing problem now, i have spark, fuel and the car compressioned almost as good as a brand new sr but it still wont start up, this happend a few months ago when i got the swap finished the first time(long story) and we could not get the ****ing cas in right so we just took about 3 hours and kept putting it in and taking it out till it started, eventually you'll get lucky and it'll start. It worked for me twice! Anyways thats how i set a cas, Ghetto.


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