spring droop?

[poshatch]

ive experimented with preload but i havnt really experimented with droop, i want the car to be a bit lower in the back and it cant go lower because the coilover (tein HE) is maxed out in lowness and the only way to do that is to droop the spring

i dont want to loose performance for looks however if the drawbacks to drooping the spring is minimal i might give it a shot

any experimenters?

[ScrapnSidwayz]

hey man what is spring drooping? i have heard of a lot of stuff but never that.

[poshatch]

hey man what is spring drooping? i have heard of a lot of stuff but never that.

haha i think we had a small convo about the spring preload right?

well drooping a spring really only applies to the rear because the fronts are designed differently

when the front spring is fully up with no preload and the purch is all hte way up to the bottom of the spring (i.e. lowering it) to lower it further you need to compress the spring (preload) and then move the purch up to meet the bottom of the spring again

with the rear, preloading it makes the car rise higher haha, so when you got the bottom purch maxed out, there is no more adjustability but in the spring, so you lower the spring down so that it no longer touches the top but there is space now

this means the strut compresses before the spring does, so it lowers the car

the drawback is like i was telling you, when the coilover has no force on it, there is that potential that when force is added to it the spring will not seat correctly which is why its usually proper to seat the spring correctly wtih a bit of preload

the question basically is how much will my performance stuffer when i droop it because it for sure wont improve it and im trying to see if the minor aesthetic gains would be worth it hahaha

[ScrapnSidwayz]

haha yep we sure did have a convo about preload.

so your saying that when the rear coilovers are maxed out as low as they can go. in order to lower the rear more you pretty much take preload off of the rear spring so when you set the car down the shock compresses before the spring starts to compress. Am I understanding correctly?

[poshatch]

haha yep we sure did have a convo about preload.

so your saying that when the rear coilovers are maxed out as low as they can go. in order to lower the rear more you pretty much take preload off of the rear spring so when you set the car down the shock compresses before the spring starts to compress. Am I understanding correctly?

that is one hundred percent correct

[ScrapnSidwayz]

well i i dont think it would be a good idea. it seems to me like it would make the cars rear end become bouncier over big bumps. since the rear of the car would have so much more travel than the front.

i have coilover sleeves on my mazda and whenever i jack the car up in the air the shock extends farther than the spring so i guess you could consider that spring droop. but man over some bumps and rough roads it would feel like i was on a boat. the car would just be swaying up and down. but then again i had some s*** shocks on there. so im not sure how it would of felt with good/decent shocks.

is the white s13 in your sig your car? cuz if it is, then it looks to me like its sittin at a perfect ride height.

[poshatch]

well i i dont think it would be a good idea. it seems to me like it would make the cars rear end become bouncier over big bumps. since the rear of the car would have so much more travel than the front.

i have coilover sleeves on my mazda and whenever i jack the car up in the air the shock extends farther than the spring so i guess you could consider that spring droop. but man over some bumps and rough roads it would feel like i was on a boat. the car would just be swaying up and down. but then again i had some s*** shocks on there. so im not sure how it would of felt with good/decent shocks.

is the white s13 in your sig your car? cuz if it is, then it looks to me like its sittin at a perfect ride height.

that WAS my car, i destroyed that thing and im still pissed about it

i got a new POS now

ill show you it, i like slammed a** ugly a** 240s or super clean ones, since i cant have a clean one ima have a slammed beat a** one and leme find a pic



thats it, see the back has the 15's with the 60 sidewall and the fronts are 16s with a 45 sidewall

the back is alot higher when i put on those wheels so i wanna lower it haha, like basically this....



i need PSM coilovers now!!! except not quite that low cause it isnt streetable hahaha to be taht low for me is about 35mm lower in the back and 15-20mm in the front

[ScrapnSidwayz]

man sorry to hear about your car, it looked clean.

haha yeah that s14 is one of my favorites, but its a lil too low for daily driving. how much clearance do you have between your frame rails and the ground?

i had mine dumped like hell for a while but it wasnt even fun to drive, everywhere i went it would scrape and bounce, so i raised it up so my frame rails are a hair under 3 inches or so inches off the ground and its pretty dumped still but not slammed on its nuts like it was. but it does look to me like you do need to go a bit lower.

have you tried removing the collars?

[poshatch]

haah the issue isnt the front =[ i can lower the front almost an inch more without sacrificing performance

the rear however is maxed out

the downfall of the tein HE coilovers, which is why i want PSM =]

leme try to get a pic of the lowness of my car

[ScrapnSidwayz]

have you tried removing the collars on the rear and then screwing the body up higher? idk if that would work though cuz we tried that on my friends s13 with megan track coilovers but the body wasnt big enough thread any higher to raise it

[ScrapnSidwayz]

im not sure what the inner diameter of your springs are but you could always get some shorter springs... like swift springs

[poshatch]

thats the oil pan

the engine is sitting on 2.5 NHL regulation hockey pucks so its roughly the same height as stock or maybe a slight bit higher

the key isnt perfectly straight but you get the idea haha

the power brace is even lower than that maybe a quarter gets wedged in there haha, its lowish

[poshatch]

im not sure what the inner diameter of your springs are but you could always get some shorter springs... like swift springs

swift springs should fit, i was contemplating it but we still run into the same problem hahaha it would still require it to be drooped to be lower, reffer to that one thread as to that guy thinking he installed his stance GR+ coilovers wrong for my explination lololol

[sultan]

what's the holdup? go ahead and droop it.

tanabe sustec pro ss (single height) that came on a car i bought, removed the helper springs and lock collar, had to droop to make it low enough.


ride was better than before, much smoother. i think with the helpers it was preloading the spring so the ride wasn't that great. spring settled with no issues with the car on the ground, never made noise on bumps or anything.

[poshatch]

well probably will end up doing it my friends are drooped like 3 inches and hes tucking 17 rim now haha

and he drifted wtih it at buttonwillow but i just want to get some input from anybody who has experimented with the performance differences with a drooped vs non drooped

you got a possitive review so thats a plus haha

[ScrapnSidwayz]

haha yeah damn thats pretty low. and sultan seems to think its a good idea, so man just go ahead and droop it. you aint got anything to lose besides height lol

[poshatch]

haha yeah damn thats pretty low. and sultan seems to think its a good idea, so man just go ahead and droop it. you aint got anything to lose besides height lol

yea i do haha

my halfway decent alighnment would be out the door hahaa

[ScrapnSidwayz]

haha man it will be alright, as long as that s*** slammed!