sport hybrids?

[amanoma]

hi i just wanna know what u guys think about sport hybrid like honda crz

[breadbox]

Rather have the Porsche Sport Hybrid.

[Mr1der]

I think the 2 words don't belong together.

[dre1507]

Rather have the Porsche Sport Hybrid.

So far the only instance where the two words combined make an awesome baby.

I think the 2 words don't belong together.

In Porsche's world they do.

[crazspence]

yea but that porsche baby probably costs 10 times the MSRP of your average car

[HashiriyaS14]

All hybrids only make sense because they make people feel good about themselves.

For this reason, they sell lots of Priuses, and they'll probably sell quite a few CR-Z's also. A Mazda2 is a better, cheaper car that gets higher mileage than a CR-Z, but this is not the hybrid buyer thought process.

[Dittoz7]

LOL at Porsche's 650k price tag.

If you think the people that are actually buying it are doing it for the 78mpg or the fact it's a environmentally friendly. I've got a wonderful beach view mountain cliff cabin you'd might like to purchase here in Florida. I'll just need your full personal and bank info, so my smokin' hot European girlfriend (that I just helped get over here to Nigeria) can sort out the paperwork faster.

Shoe on head picture ready LMK!

[crazspence]

but the sad thing is, most hybrids do more harm than good.

[93coupe]

but the sad thing is, most hybrids do more harm than good.

How so?

[Dittoz7]

Causes too much smug.

[tiger-SE-R]

what gets me are people that buy the hybrids "for the environment", then they proceed to drive 85-90+ mph on the highway getting worse gas mileage than me going the speed limit

[93coupe]

Mark drives like a girl.

[tiger-SE-R]

...but i'll ride you like a cowboy

[93coupe]

Don't come in here making those sorts of claims all willy nilly without being able to prove it.

[Dittoz7]

IB4TopGearPriusVsM3Video

[Mr1der]

All hybrids only make sense because they make people feel good about themselves.

For this reason, they sell lots of Priuses, and they'll probably sell quite a few CR-Z's also. A Mazda2 is a better, cheaper car that gets higher mileage than a CR-Z, but this is not the hybrid buyer thought process.

I think what really summed up the lunacy of hybrid development is this.



anybody care to guess how much of an improvement in mileage it had over a standard Tahoe?

[Dittoz7]

5?

[Encryptshun]

5?

If so, that would still be a 100% improvement.

[crazspence]

but the sad thing is, most hybrids do more harm than good.

How so?

taken from various articles and a bit of my own research.

After all the numbers had been crunched, among vehicles sold in the U.S. in the 2005 calendar year, CNW found the least expensive vehicle to be the Scion xB at 48 cents per mile in overall energy costs. The most energy-expensive vehicle was the Maybach at $11.58 per mile in energy costs over its estimated lifetime. The VW Phaeton, Rolls-Royce line, and Bentley line followed closely behind. In all of these instances, these are overall energy costs incurred from inception through disposal, not energy costs associated only with vehicle ownership.

To compare, the Toyota Prius involves $3.25 per mile in energy costs over its lifetime, according to CNW, while several full-size SUVs scored lower. A Dodge Viper involves only $2.18 in energy per mile over its lifetime. The Range Rover Sport costs $2.42, and the Cadillac Escalade costs $2.75.

Building a Toyota Prius causes more environmental damage than a Hummer that is on the road for three times longer than a Prius. As already noted, the Prius is partly driven by a battery which contains nickel. The nickel is mined and smelted at a plant in Sudbury, Ontario. This plant has caused so much environmental damage to the surrounding environment that NASA has used the ‘dead zone’ around the plant to test moon rovers. The area around the plant is devoid of any life for miles.

The plant is the source of all the nickel found in a Prius’ battery and Toyota purchases 1,000 tons annually. Dubbed the Superstack, the plague-factory has spread sulfur dioxide across northern Ontario, becoming every environmentalist’s nightmare.

“The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants and the soil slid down off the hillside,” said Canadian Greenpeace energy-coordinator David Martin during an interview with Mail, a British-based newspaper.
All of this would be bad enough in and of itself; however, the journey to make a hybrid doesn’t end there. The nickel produced by this disastrous plant is shipped via massive container ship to the largest nickel refinery in Europe. From there, the nickel hops over to China to produce ‘nickel foam.’ From there, it goes to Japan. Finally, the completed batteries are shipped to the United States, finalizing the around-the-world trip required to produce a single Prius battery. Are these not sounding less and less like environmentally sound cars and more like a farce?

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles – the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

to top it all off, the nickel is mined and smelted in Ontario, Canada. shipped to Wales for processing, then shipped to China for further processing, then shipped to japan for final battery assembly. and finally shipped to the states in its current battery form. ok if my math serves me correctly, the battery was processed in 4 countries before it got to the US. you know why? because the US does not allow the mass manufacturing of batteries in the state due to the chemical waste it produces during the entire process. this specific processing line up is strictly for priuses but battery making is more or so that same for all hybrids. im no expert but polluting 4 courtries to make a prius mostly for one country (US) hardly seems worth it. and i say one country because most of the hybrids produced are sold in the states.

oh an fyi, this doesnt label me as an enviromentalist or anything. i just want to let people know the true costs of making "efficient" hybrids. im all about having an efficient gas daily and smelling rubber and backfire at the track on the weekends.

[ScrapMetal]

I think Honda makes the "sporty" claim because of the CR-Z's sporty looks. It'll sell not only because it gets good gas mileage but because it's also better looking than any of the other hybrids out on the market right now IMO.

It sure would be sweet if Honda dropped a K20 engine in it and called it the CR-Z SI or some other Honda moniker, but I think that would put off environmentally conscious customers who are buying this car because it's exclusively a hybrid.