spacers and extended studs

Post by **JimLecesse** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

been real curious with this lately.. on a 92 240sx, if I were going to run 10mm (hubcentric)wheel spacers, I'd obviously want to order new lug/studs. I've seen them in 50mm and 60mm. which of these would be better for my application? thanks and i know spacers arent the best idea .. this is simply for future reference.

Post by **stillmatic** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

What kind of application are you talking about?

The stock studs are good up to 6mm spacing with splinedrive lug nuts. You don't need longer studs if you go with hubcentric spacers. It's either longer studs or hubcentric spacers. Unless if you have some really big slicks in the back then that's when you'll probably need both.

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

How about buying some correct offset wheels?

there's an idea...-chetedit: I know you didnt ask about this, but to be honest, thats your best option, period.

Post by **JimLecesse** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

haha exar-kun, im pretty sure that in every thread ive ever read that youve responded to, theres been somethin in there about you hating wheel spacers. you should just put it in your sig from now on. lol

"dont buy wheel spacers, you dumbass. get the right offset"-chet

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

haha, I thought of puting it in the FAQ but amybe my sig would be a good spot

if you must use spacers, get the 60mm studs and some nice light weight lugs.(make sure the spacers are hub centric, also H+R makes some)-chet

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

JimLecesse wrote:haha exar-kun, im pretty sure that in every thread ive ever read that youve responded to, theres been somethin in there about you hating wheel spacers. you should just put it in your sig from now on. lol

"dont buy wheel spacers, you dumbass. get the right offset"-chet

Thats because spacers aren't a good option in both my and Chet's opinion.

They put alot of stress on the hub, bearing, and the studs themselves. Getting elongated studs does nothing but allow the lug nuts to fit properly. The stress is still there, and as a result you are more likely to have a hub or wheel stud failure, ie. wheel coming off of car. Not saying if you run a spacer your car is gonna flip and explode like it's the persuit car in a John Woo movie, but it's just not the best way of doing it, especially when you have the option of a correct offset in the wheels you plan to purchase.

The spacers not only present another thing to go wrong but they also can cause vibrations that can't be fixed by balancing the wheel and a host of other annoyances.

Just my .02

Post by **Grant@tirerack** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

Both Exar Kun and Nismo Freak are right on the money. The only way I would run a spacer is if it is designed as an O.E. fitment like some of the early Porsche wheels. The spacer is hubcentric and fits correctly into the center bore of the wheel with heaver rated hardware. I keep a lug bolt on my desk here at work that a customer sent in for a warranty claim on a wheel. He took one of our standard wheels and put in a 5mm spacer and new lug bolts provided by the local shop with the spacer. Six weeks later he had a wheel/tire come off at about 70 mph on the interstate. The last third of the threads are gone. After looking at the photos and wheels and being asked, he admitted he was running spacers. The marking inside the center bore was very pronounced and even though he was told they were hub-centric, the spacer had a slight taper that did not seat flush against the center bore of the wheel. That slop allowed the spacer to move ever so slightly inside the back of the wheel. The lug seats started to 'wallow out' and the studs failed as a result. The car was never tracked or taken out to the autocross.

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

Yep, thats exactly the kind of thing I tell people when they go "whats the worst that could happen?"

there it is.-chet

Post by **HybridOne** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

sometimes getting the right offset isn't really an option...only certain rims come with the correct offset for certain applications, and if you can get the right offset it often costs quite a bit of money to order the rim from the manufacturer....or you just don't like the rim style. I have a '96 240sx 5 lug with coilovers and 300zx brakes...that limits me on wheels with the right offset, and i'm not happy with the design of the rims i DO get to choose from, so i run a 3 mil spacer.

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

so...getting the right offset IS an option, because face it..it is....but its ok to cop out? I dont agree. a 5 lug 300zx has plenty of wheel ptions, even with 300zx brakes in plenty of designs. If you cant find the correct item you either didnt look hard enough, or didn't care.

trust me, its much better just to do it right, patience in selection something good and properly pays off.-chet(and I'm sure theres over 300 different wheel available in good offsets for a 5 lug 300zx, the 4 lugs have it more difficult..)

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

HybridOne wrote:sometimes getting the right offset isn't really an option...only certain rims come with the correct offset for certain applications, and if you can get the right offset it often costs quite a bit of money to order the rim from the manufacturer....or you just don't like the rim style. I have a '96 240sx 5 lug with coilovers and 300zx brakes...that limits me on wheels with the right offset, and i'm not happy with the design of the rims i DO get to choose from, so i run a 3 mil spacer.

Dude you have a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE selection of wheels and you can't find a single one you like in a proper offset? I find that hard to believe.

Post by **HybridOne** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

wow...didn't mean to offend anyone. And thanks for capitalizing "huge" and repeating the vowel. Otherwise i think i would have missed the word all together.And no...i didn't find a single one i like with the proper offset for the coilovers, and wheel design (manily spoke design) for the brakes...in...my...price...range. i was trying to keep it below $2k. I also wanted them sometime this year. Volk quoted me some rediculous time frame to have the wheels made...i think over 6 months. And i wasn't gonna even try and call advan. So i settled for some sienna's that where 3 mil. off.some people have different taste than others, and some people don't have infinite time or money to spend on wheels.Again, i'm sorry if i offended you guys with a different opinion on the matter.

P.S. it's a 240sx with 5 lug, and 300zx brakes...the 300z wheels won't clear the coilovers on a 240, and most 5 lug wheels with the correct offset for a 240 hit the brakes.we read....and then we flame.

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

HybridOne wrote:wow...didn't mean to offend anyone. And thanks for capitalizing "huge" and repeating the vowel. Otherwise i think i would have missed the word all together.And no...i didn't find a single one i like with the proper offset for the coilovers, and wheel design (manily spoke design) for the brakes...in...my...price...range. i was trying to keep it below $2k. I also wanted them sometime this year. Volk quoted me some rediculous time frame to have the wheels made...i think over 6 months. And i wasn't gonna even try and call advan. So i settled for some sienna's that where 3 mil. off.some people have different taste than others, and some people don't have infinite time or money to spend on wheels.Again, i'm sorry if i offended you guys with a different opinion on the matter.

P.S. it's a 240sx with 5 lug, and 300zx brakes...the 300z wheels won't clear the coilovers on a 240, and most 5 lug wheels with the correct offset for a 240 hit the brakes.we read....and then we flame.

To each their own I suppose.

I have internet terrets

I'm partial to these

You can get them for about ~400 - 450 per wheel typically but you of course have to cough it out for shipping.

Didn't mean to come off so rude... sometimes I get caught in a mood.

Post by **HybridOne** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

no prob...those are really nice. It's just hard to find them already in the US with the right offset and so on. I have a friend with a set of those on a 300zx twin turbo. I think he is 18x9 up front and 18x10 in the back. We tried putting them on my car, but it didn't work out so well

.

Post by **rbsileighty** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

This is the car that Hybrid is talking about:

Post by **240SXedUp** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

Is it me or does that look like an rc car. I guess its the camera angle

Post by **JimLecesse** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

dont worry dude i see it too, nice car tho either way lol

Post by **rbsileighty** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

I can definitely see what you're saying. Here is a "life size" image of the car. He works with me at Bosch, and I'm trying to recruit him from the TT forums to come to Nico.

Post by **JJ240** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:59 pm

hybrid if your demands are: under 2k, 5 lug, correct offset, and fits over 300z brakes...go to http://www.tougefactory.com and click JDM then wheels. Ive seen them all in person and think the Longchamps and Gartmaiers look the best. The gartmaier have that cool polished D1 look and the longchamps just look sweet. The gartmaiers are 8 wide front and 9 wide rear, the longchamps are 9 front and rear if I recall...the gartmaiers are only 900 for all 4, and I think the longchamps were 1600 for 4. best part is they both have big polished lips :-D

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