Some Ford news for SVT

[brizanden]

Thanks for you input but this isn't really necessary to say as Website Space is a free resource

DJ

someday the internets is gonna get full and then what are you gonna do?

[SVTCOBRA]

Stopped by the local Chrysler dealer. They had a hemi orange Challenger in the show room. Had it roped off

Said that it was already sold to Kasey Kahne. For all ya'll Nascar haters who don't know who he is, he's a driver. Lives here in town.

[heliochrome85]

im sorry, but i have a hardon for german luxo marques. nothing says you have made it like one of those cars. PLUS, cars like a S63 will stomp most cars out there, while giving you a shiatzu massage and reading you the latest on your stock portfolio. There are few things in this world as consistantly well done as a German car's interior in Black. Sorry Japan, you can not has.

[heliochrome85]

last time i checked, the base Merc engine for most of their line is the 268hp 3.5 V6. That isnt that far off from what I drive. Plus, its tough to call the C63 or Sl65 "underpowered."

[Sentientbydesign]

Most of the MBs rolling around are the ugly base models and those funny little coupes which aren't under powered...just fugly

[heliochrome85]

thats because they last. unlike most other brands of cars........

[Sentientbydesign]

thats because they last. unlike most other brands of cars........

Huh? I'm saying that most of the MBs I see are the base models and those dumb looking little coupes. How does that have anything to do with their longevity? The only thing that can be extracted from our two statements is that only the base models and ugly coupes were built well lol.

Anyways, I hope Ford dies

[heliochrome85]

i dunno. those little coupes didnt sell very well. i never see them... that being said, ive driven many an MB and a few BMW. They have their own character. MBs always smell the same, regardless of how old. Plus, you can punch the dash and it would break your hand before you break a piece off. Look at the G-class. Nothing comes close to that sort of build. Nothing.

As for the base models, they attract a certain type of person. I am apparently one of those people.

[rn79870]

[Sentientbydesign]

That is freaking awesome!!! Where's the VDC button?

[BigWill]

As regards Toyota Prius and the GM Hummer... since that comparison was brought up, it is all smoke and mirrors. The Prius has a bigger carbon footprint than the Hummer, before it is even put on the road!

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder...D=188

Cheaper at the consumer level? Sure, but more damaging to the environment.

[badutahboy]

GM FTMFW!........

Man I loves me some Camaro all day long. Teflon, my Camaro had the 3800 series in it, what a reliable beast that thing was, couldn't break it if I tried. Tried to throw on the supercharger from your Buick and the Grand Am GTP, but would of had to cut into my cowl to fit it....or lower the motor.

And anyone who says they don't like GM, what about the Small Block Chevy? Every guy who needs a new motor for a domestic puts one in. You don't really hear too much about guys putting the 5.slow into a Camaro or Vette, but a lot of guys who build old style ford hot rods slap a 350 in it

GM builds some good quality cars now, Buick and Caddy are getting back into building nice upper scale cars, Pontiac is getting back into being the fun devision, and Chevy conquers all with the C6 Vette. Overall I think they're reinventing themselves pretty well, they just aren't on par with the Imports and need to play a little more catchup.

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Amen... the 350/350 combo is quite possibly the best engine/drivetrain combination in the history of automobiles.. There's a reason Chevy stuck with it for 30 years.

I'm also not sure why the hyundai bashing in this thread... Hyundai makes a decent budget car these days, and they back it with a great warranty. My ex had a 2001 hyundai Elantra, and I'd take it over any of it's competition.. The civic, Sentra, and corolla are all great cars, but they're way overpriced for what you get. The elantra comes loaded better, with decent reliability and a 25% lower price tag. Same goes for most of their lineup, although I wouldn't take a Sonota or a Azera over the competition.

[badutahboy]

thats because they last. unlike most other brands of cars........

own one and you'll change your tune.

Go check out MBworld for the litany of ridiculous common stuff that breaks on all variations of MB's... I had an 01 C240, and here's my laundry list of what went wrong with it:

1. Clutch went at 50k miles (pretty common in their manual transmission cars)2. Air Mass meter went out twice (if you've owned a benz for more than 2 years, you've replaced one)3. Fuel Sender unit went out (common enough that there are several writeups on how to change it yourself on mbworld)4. ECU failure (if you make it off the first page of any subforum without seeing this issue, you're lucky)5. Transmission failure at 72k miles.. (again, very common, and even at significantly lower mileage)6. Completely underpowered... 172 horsepower in a 4000 pound car? yeah right. I got owned by stock Toyota Corolla's.7. LCD on the dash was iffy from day one. In the heat, half the LCD became unreadable. (again, this is an issue in any car which resides somewhere that gets over 80 degrees)8. $200 oil changes, with no viable alternative.. The car calls for 8 quarts of full synthetic, and the filter is $51,so even if you do it yourself, you're spending $120... and warranty requires it every 5k miles.

The ONLY thing it did well was ride quality.

I ventured into the MB world, and I ran like hell out of it. NEVER again will a MB disgrace my driveway... at least not until I can afford an SLK500 and all the costs associated with it.

[Sentientbydesign]

I'm also not sure why the hyundai bashing in this thread... Hyundai makes a decent budget car these days, and they back it with a great warranty. My ex had a 2001 hyundai Elantra, and I'd take it over any of it's competition.. The civic, Sentra, and corolla are all great cars, but they're way overpriced for what you get. The elantra comes loaded better, with decent reliability and a 25% lower price tag. Same goes for most of their lineup, although I wouldn't take a Sonota or a Azera over the competition.

Mainly because korean products are poor in quality. The super warranty was put in place IMHO because their crap doesn't last. I've only heard of maybe 2 people who were super happy with their Hyundais one of the worst stories that I saw first hand was a friend of mine who had 10k on her 04 accent when the transmission completely failed. The dealership tried to tell her it wasn't under warranty because of her intake.

That's some awesome quality and a great warranty don't ya think?

[audtatious]

Tampa

Sorry, I do not agree with you on this one.

So its not ok to pay $30 an hour to an hourly worker, but its ok to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to executives, CEO's, managers, Board Members that make wrong decisions, destroy companys, cause millions of Americans to lose jobs, turn out wrong vehicle types in the marketplace, and fight innovation. GM, Ford, Chrysler, at one time refused to allow foreign cars in their parking lots while at the same time were refusing to produce quality cars. Then they forced the Japanese to build plants here in the US hoping it would be too costly for them to perhaps drive them out of business.Sorry Tampa. These American executives are a bunch of scumbags for destroying the American Automobile industry and it is certainly not the fault of the workers. My last American car was my 1953 Cadillac in 1964. It had a big back seat where I had many happy endings. Ahhh, the good old days.

Telcoman

It's fine paying them that much if the board says so. They are NOT a gov entity and they can do as they wish and that includes giving 10 million dollar bonus checks. Who are you to say they don't deserve it or that a company has no right?

[telcoman]

Who are you to say they don't deserve it or that a company has no right?

Because I'm Telcoman

[rn79870]

own one and you'll change your tune.

Go check out MBworld for the litany of ridiculous common stuff that breaks on all variations of MB's... I had an 01 C240, and here's my laundry list of what went wrong with it:

1. Clutch went at 50k miles (pretty common in their manual transmission cars)2. Air Mass meter went out twice (if you've owned a benz for more than 2 years, you've replaced one)3. Fuel Sender unit went out (common enough that there are several writeups on how to change it yourself on mbworld)4. ECU failure (if you make it off the first page of any subforum without seeing this issue, you're lucky)5. Transmission failure at 72k miles.. (again, very common, and even at significantly lower mileage)6. Completely underpowered... 172 horsepower in a 4000 pound car? yeah right. I got owned by stock Toyota Corolla's.7. LCD on the dash was iffy from day one. In the heat, half the LCD became unreadable. (again, this is an issue in any car which resides somewhere that gets over 80 degrees)8. $200 oil changes, with no viable alternative.. The car calls for 8 quarts of full synthetic, and the filter is $51,so even if you do it yourself, you're spending $120... and warranty requires it every 5k miles.

The ONLY thing it did well was ride quality.

I ventured into the MB world, and I ran like hell out of it. NEVER again will a MB disgrace my driveway... at least not until I can afford an SLK500 and all the costs associated with it.

I came so very close to a C350 when I bought the G. Everything was approved, but for some reason, I decided to do a little research on the G.From what you're saying, I made the right decision. Although, the MB really had a nice ride, probably a nicer (smoother) ride than the G.

[badutahboy]

Mainly because korean products are poor in quality. The super warranty was put in place IMHO because their crap doesn't last. I've only heard of maybe 2 people who were super happy with their Hyundais one of the worst stories that I saw first hand was a friend of mine who had 10k on her 04 accent when the transmission completely failed. The dealership tried to tell her it wasn't under warranty because of her intake.

That's some awesome quality and a great warranty don't ya think?

Every car company has stories like those...

An example...

Chevy is currently renowned as building the best diesel truck, right?

My girlfriend's dad bought a brand new 3/4 ton diesel last year, and the engine went bad at 3000 miles. Chevy tried to deny the warranty claim because he used it to pull a trailer for his work...

Almost every car has something go wrong during warranty, and every car manufacturer uses aftermarket parts as a reason to void your warranty.. There are laws which prevent them from denying a claim based on an unrelated part, but there are horror stories about every manufacturer trying to deny claims for these reasons.. The truth is that it's usually the dealer who is the problem, not the manufacturer.

If Hyundai offered that warranty because they were just trying to make their garbage more appealing, they'd be out of business today. The fact is, their quality is greatly improved from where they were in the 90's. They may not be quite up to par with Toyota and Honda, but they're definitely better than domestics.

[badutahboy]

I came so very close to a C350 when I bought the G. Everything was approved, but for some reason, I decided to do a little research on the G.From what you're saying, I made the right decision. Although, the MB really had a nice ride, probably a nicer (smoother) ride than the G.

That benz was absolutely the best riding car I've ever been in... It's glided over huge imperfections in the road with barely any sign of it inside the car, yet it still maintained a good "road feel" in the steering wheel..

Outside of that... total garbage.

[audtatious]

Because I'm Telcoman

Well, Yeah, there is that

[badutahboy]

Because I'm Telcoman

Hahaha, this comment made me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwPrdILEJ4

[telcoman]

I have my Furd, don't anticapate getting a new one.I still think they make the best domestics.

They used to. But that was a long time ago before I was born.

http://www.nydailynews.com/aut....html

Telcoman

[TeflonG35]

As regards Toyota Prius and the GM Hummer... since that comparison was brought up, it is all smoke and mirrors. The Prius has a bigger carbon footprint than the Hummer, before it is even put on the road!

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/Recorder...D=188

Cheaper at the consumer level? Sure, but more damaging to the environment.

Very educational. Nice post.

[BigWill]

Very educational. Nice post.

Thanks Drew!

[badutahboy]

Very educational. Nice post.

Unfortunately, that article isn't even close to accurate.

1. What's the last toyota that was ever made that only lasted 100k miles? A 1982 Starlet???

2. How many GM trucks last 300,000 miles? For every 1 that does, there are 8 that are scrapped at 150k.

Right there, you've got some serious reason to question the validity of their findings.

However, moving along... here are some little known facts:

1. The prius has been in production since 1997. It was released in the US in 2001.. That means that an original prius in Japan should average 165,000 miles on it today. A US model would have 105,000...

2. Toyota has NEVER had to replace a battery under their warranty. This is important, because the battery warranty is 8 years or 100,000 miles (10 years 150,000 miles for states that use california emissions standards).. meaning that even the first cars sold in the US are barely leaving their warranties (generally speaking)...

3. I watch prius's at the auction, because we all know how hot they are.. I routinely see 2002-2003 models go through with 175-250k miles, and they're being sold with no "trouble" disclosures (this is important because dealers can invalidate auction transactions if undisclosed problems are found)...

That article is TOTAL BS propoganda.

[Slider4105]

My dads 2000 Escalade has 240,xxx miles on it and it works fine .