Sodas

[SDRonEbay]

Okay, Niconites, here's one for you. As you're cruising in your Nissan sipping on your favorite soda remember this. Soda, pop, coke, whatever you call it is essentially a poison. Carbonated water, man-made carbonated water, is water injected with carbon dioxide. What would happen if you sucked down a whole bottle of carbon dioxide? Chances are if you survived you'd be pretty messed up in the brain. I think, just as they did with ashtrays, Nissan should stop producing vehicles with cup holders. I mean, most of the stuff we drink in our cars is potentially harmful. Coffee, beer and yes even Pepsi.

I know you think this is a worthless Reliford rant but think about it for a minute. We often talk about the tobacco giants, think about the soda giants. They offer a diet or low carb drink to quell the health nuts but their still peddling their poison to us and we're more than happy to go out and by a 20oz bottle of death and set it next to us in our cars and trucks.

I know you're wondering what I must be drinking on right now. I just can't help but think what would happen if car manufacturers stopped producing cupholders for their vehicles. How the service department would cry as they lost an easy twenty or thirty dollar add on to fix that broken cup holder. You Z owners know what I'm talking about. The cupholder on the passenger's side. You thought it was just you didn't you? I know one thing, this C2 Coca Cola sitting on my desk next to my computer will be the last one I drink. Stay tuned.

[yoozef]

And that's why God created Poland Spring... Bottoms up!

[silkk]

i want a cup holder in my s13 so i can hold water

[Ghettokracker71]

Thats what GIRLFREINDS are for buddy:D

Water is the ****,heh.

I also like smoothies,I work at a smoothie shop. Smoothie=blended up fruit+ice. You can add supplements too,like myoplex or lean body (no ****) ,whey protein,all kinds of stuff.

[austins240]

dude, you serious? i thought you were joking until i saw your somewhat technical explination. carbon dioxide isn't totally harmfull. it's the byproduct of anything that breathes, the remninance of O2 in the lungs. this is also what plants using photosinthisys (probably spelled wrong) convert back to oxygen.

maybe you were thinking carbon monoxide? that stuff will kill you but that's a byproduct of gasoline engines (and other fossil fuel burning objects)

the stuff in them that will hurt you is the insane ammount of sugar or maybe the caffeine. hell the coloring will probably hurt you more than the CO2!!!

i'm still going to imagine that you are joking. gave me a good laugh none the less and i thank you for making my hour.

on another note, the only thing i don't like about cupholders (on my older cars) is that they are right infront of or under the stereo so if a soda spills it's bye bye to my head unit!! oh well.

gotta go

laters

austin

[austins240]

oh, and so that someone doesn't take what i said out of context, sodas are HIGHLY acidic. they will eat away at your stomach lining if it is weak or if you already have an ulcer it will irritate it.

but other than that, have fun.

later

austin

[SDRonEbay]

Wow! I'm honored that someone revived this old thing.

But on a global scale carbon dioxide is a fearful thing. In 2002 the concentration of CO2 was 280 parts per trillion. Now, take in consideration that those measurements of CO2 were in old, confined, and reasonably well-dated air. Such air is found in bubbles trapped in annual layers of ice in Antarctica, in sealed brass buttons on old uniforms, airtight bottles of wine of known vintage, etc which stands to reason that the concentration is much higher in 2004 with the systematic destruction of our rain forests. This means that the man-made anamoly, "The Green House Effect" might just be the next extinction level event as so shown in the movie, "The Day After Tomorrow". CO2 not scary? Oh I don't think so.

[SDRonEbay]

And yes....I f'ing with you guys. You think I'm crazy or something?

Everybody knows that soda is a control device created by the inner-government...putting a well measured dose of slave juice in every home in the world.

[austins240]

i can agree with you on that level of CO2, that if there were enough of it in the atmosphere at our living level it would cause breathing problems, shortness of breath, etc...

CO2 will suffocate you, plain and simple. if you are in a room filled with nothing but, you WILL die. i won't argue that. i do not think you are crazy but i don't see any harm in puting it in water, after all it is not changing the chemistry of the water, it's basically just a compressed suspension. it must be compressed in order for the CO2 to be liquid to be suspended in the water itself and not have a can full of air...like many potato chip companies, another story.

long story short, i suppose if humans couldn't "expell" gas (like birds) then it may pose a serious risk to your health as the C02 that did get into your body in a liquid form would warm to it's "boiling" point (i'm sure it's well below room temp, possibly below 0, remember it's under pressure so temps will be different from free air) and essentially evaporate (yes it's a water term but the idea is close enough) and cause the gas. you would swell up like a baloon and your stomach would explode....literally.

but other than that, i'd be worried about the acid content in those. have you ever put a piece of steak in a cup of coke and let it sit over night? nasty stuff!

why can't we go back to the old days where cocaine was actually used in "Coca-Cola" for flavoring? damnit!!! a cheap buzz!!!

sorry for reviving it, yesterday was my first time into this forum and was reading around for a while!!!

take care man.

austin

[austins240]

on another related note, check out this site in reference to the effects and causes of C02 in the environment. very interesting reading i might add. should give a good idea on the whole global warming issue as well.

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/faq.html

also you can use this one for all of the properties of the molecule and it's calculations (about everything known to man)

http://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/cb...ts=SI/

i must apologize about the boiling point, it's approx. -109*F

"Solid carbon dioxide (Dry Ice) is always -78 oC (-109 0F) at regular atmospheric pressure regardless of the air temperature. Handling this material for more than a second or two without proper gloves can cause serious blisters or worse. Carbon dioxide gas released from a compressed gas cylinder (such as a fire extinguisher) poses a similar danger. Avoid putting any bodily part directly in the path of discharge and be careful when touching any metal parts that the gas flows through."

"Carbon dioxide has a vapor pressure of 830 psi at 20 °C. In other words, if one places solid carbon dioxide in a closed container at room temperature, the carbon dioxide will eventually convert to liquid and the pressure above that liquid will be 830 psi (approximately 56 times normal atmospheric pressure). The pressure will always be 830 psi as long as some liquid carbon dioxide is present in the closed container, and at higher temperatures the pressure will be even greater." --http://www.ilpi.com/msds/ref/carbondioxide.html

this makes you wonder how those cans can even hold the pressure!! of course this is in reference to solid CO2 (ie dry ice) and it is called such because of it's extremely low boiling point (if we can call it that) that it will convert directly from a solid to a gas.

some good stuff out there on the subject. shall i continue with carbon monoxide? (CO, it's amazing that the two are separated from a stable non-poisonus gas to an EXTREMELY poisonus one by one molecule of oxygen!)

regardles, good info to know. one thing i WAS particularly interested in, the sciences.

later

austin

(yeah, i know it's overkill on information, just like my fellow members to be informed contently in their quest for knowledge!!)

[SDRonEbay]

Hey man, I'm just glad you checked it out. I figured that eventually someone would jump aboard and hold an, although misguided, intellectual conversation with me. LOL, no offense repo. Come around more often, check out the old posts and get ready for the new ones. Gonna be an exciting last quarter here in the Showroom. Sales are up for Nissan and with the election coming up...who knows what the hell I might say next.

[austins240]

haha, hell yeah bro. i feel for you, seems this board on the side is kind of hidden. needs some more attention. seems like you are quite good at answering questions for the folks here. unfortunately i can't offer much advice from my job, only on the electronics side, who wants a forum for that??haha

anyway, keep up the good work. i can't afford new cars and actually prefer the older ones. can't stand the modern luxeries in them now (with the exception of AC/PS/stereo) none of my cars have back seats or carpet. sound deadning gone. that brings me to a question i have been meaning to ask a dealership guy like yourself....can you order a vehicle without these things? say i want a 05 (or are we at 06 now???) 350z with no carpet, back seat, just two front seats and a dash. no stereo (or at least speakers) and no antena, no sound deadening etc...is it possible to get them like this? would it be a safe assumption to say that it would be cheaper for nissan to NOT put these things in? just something i have been tossing around. i would hate to get a new vehicle and tear out all of that brand new stuff and cause extra work for myself (and possibly VOID the warranty). don't know if you can answer that but here's hoping!!

later man, gotta go.

austin

[SDRonEbay]

Short answer...no.

Jayson's answer. Probably, but not at your local dealer and it'd probably cost more.

Here in Shreveport we have a major GM plant, and the employees for years have bought their trucks from this plant. Makes 'em privy to inside information about the vehicles.

I'm not saying this happens but imagine if you worked there and you were gonna buy a new Colorado to offroad it. If one were considering buying that model wouldn't they go pick one out still in the beginning stages, talk it over with management, go down line and say, "Hey, that one coming down the line is mine so double weld everything and give me a inch and a half on those springs."

Not to say that you have to be that close to it. Just ask Steve Millen. You think his Z's are bought off a lot?

It can be done because in this business anything is possible. Can anyone do it is a better question. To that, I say, "Only if the price is right."

[MinisterofDOOM]

There is one flaw in your theory. BREATHING CO2 and INGESTING CO2 are completely different. I know. I have watched someone with an argument just like yours loose miserably to a biology professor. The only reason CO2 is harmful when breathed is because it can replace oxygen molecules in the blood stream, making less oxygen reach the various parts of the body for any given amount of time. Ingested CO2, however, as in Coca-cola or Mt Dew, does NOT go into the bloodstream. It simply passes through our waste system along with a whole lot of other stuff we eat that, if it made it to the bloodstream, we would die. Like amonia. Ever drink amonia. Well it comes back out anyhow. That's why we have excretory systems. Because the stuff our body can't have has to go back out somehow. But that's what it does, it goes out. It doesn't float about in our veins and effectively suffocate us as many people beleive. And it doesnt't negatively affect brain, because it never makes it anywhere near the brain, aside from being in your mouth and throat.

Or, look at it this way. I get sick less than once every year. And even then it's no more than a common cold, except one time when I had pneumonia.I drink 1-4 cans of coke per day. I also have a cup of coffee when I get to work in the morning. I do not drink alcohol, since I am not 21.Ask my last three employers when the last sick day I took was, and they'll all say I've never taken one.The last time I can remember being sick with anything besides what is mentioned above is...well...about 5 or 6 years ago.There was also a study involving track and field people. Some of them started off the match with water. Some drank gatorade. Another third drank soda pop. The soda-drinking runners suffered no losses in performance, no shortage of breath, and no health issues. I don't recall where this study was from or who did it, but I remember it being cited in a health class years ago in high school.So the next time you feel like telling everyone how horrible something is for them, you might want to check your sources and make sure you are right, and not just following some mad anti-everything-that-tastes-good fad.

Now...excuse me for a moment while I run downstairs to the vending machines

[Jesda]

Totally eliminating something from my liquid intake? Why?

I enjoy a tall mug of Guiness, a can of Coke, a bottle of water... whatever. Some people even smoke pot. Generally, they're all going to kill you if you increase the quantities to an extreme. But as long as you arent overdoing it and you see no ill effects on your daily lifestyle, youre fine. If it feels good, do it -- just don't over-do it.

Paranoia and exaggeration fuel most of these fears. Someone will do a study, the results will show a positive correlation, and the media (which never takes into account the methods used for experimentation and observation) takes it and runs with it. I can imagine a local news headline: "Coca Cola Kills! More After This..."

Yes, if you drink two liters a day for a few years you could easily develop diabetes. But the same is true if you eat three pounds of cake every morning or a gallon of ice cream.

I don't believe in an afterlife. I suspect that after I die my remains will go back into nature. I'd hate to think, at age 80something, as I'm lying there dying (and watching Jeopardy, w00t!), that I wasted my life freaking out over meat, soda, coffee, beer, etc.All things are dangerous. Driving and our love of cars is far FAR riskier than anything we could possibly buy at the market and consume. But I wont stop driving.

You think you're young now but time flies, so enjoy yourself.

[Jesda]

And some information about soda:

1. The acidity? Stomach lining? Maybe you havent checked, but your stomach contains hydrochloric acid used for digestion. HCl makes Coca Cola look like spring water.

2) Carbon dioxide is not "injected" into the beverage. There is a chemical reaction that forces co2 bubbles to form in the soda when it changes pressure (open the bottle and watch it fizz).it is the same reason why you cant go under water really deep, then surface really fastNitrogen bubbles will form in your blood, resulting in passing out/death.

3) I live with two parents who work in medicine. They consume beer, wine, whiskey, cola. And they look 10 years younger than they should. They just dont do any of the above in excess. Perhaps their youthfulness comes from enjoying life under a reasonable cost-benefit analysis, instead of basing their decisions on paranoid pseudoscience. Or maybe its just the backwards hat.
Modified by Jesda at 7:32 PM 9/22/2004

[MinisterofDOOM]

Oh, damn. I just noticed the date on the initial post in this thread. Oh well, I got to rant anyhow. Horray for ranting.

[jdmfreak]

LOL! That guy looks like my cousin.

[Mr1der]

racers don't need cupholders!

that's what girls are for

I'd hate to see the mechanic's quick fix bill on them though...yikes.

[SmithSR]

12:59AM and I'm heading to the Dew Fridge, labeled as such and only allowed to hold the finest soft drink ever evar, the original Mountain Dew. No fake red or orange knock off flavors. Only the best. Yellow 5 be damned.