So much for global warming ...

[szh]

http://news.aol.com/article/bl...01185.

Z

[C-Kwik]

Its been in the mid 80's all week here...

[smockers83]

My favorite part:

Freddie Falgout wore a stocking cap, two pairs of gloves and a heavy leather jacket against the 40-degree chill on his morning three-mile walk in Pensacola Beach, Fla. "It's supposed to be colder tomorrow morning but you'll still me out here, I need the exercise," he said.

Talk about overkill.

But if we want to get technical, this doesn't mean anything for global warming. These arctic air masses venture down all the time.

The part about Ironwood, that sure isn't good. My family owns a ski resort there, I'm sure there weren't too many people out today.

[OriginalWheelman]

I walked a mile today in the 9 degrees. I'd sure have liked some global warming. But while we're on subject...

http://www.dailytech.com/Japan...4.htm

[S13_love]

Freddie Falgout wore a stocking cap, two pairs of gloves and a heavy leather jacket against the 40-degree chill on his morning three-mile walk in Pensacola Beach, Fla. "It's supposed to be colder tomorrow morning but you'll still me out here, I need the exercise," he said.

OMG! 4o DeGREe WEatHEr OOOOHHH NOOOOO!!!!!

I would be so happy if it was even 30 here.

And yes....way to overkill it on the clothing there Freddie Falgout.

[ppctx]

http://news.aol.com/article/bl...01185.

Z

I hear ya, I didn't get bit by a mosquito or wasp ALL DAY, so they must not really be real, made up by them there sy-own-tist and what not.

[szh]

I just got into Kansas City on a business trip. It is almost midnight here, and c-c-c-o-l-d-d outside. Particularly with the wind blowing.

The walk from the rental car to the hotel lobby entrance (a few hundred feet) was painful in California clothes (although I do have my New England heavy jacket and gloves on).

Z

[audtatious]

Global Warming is Fo Realz, Yo!

A team of environmental researchers in the US has warned many effects of climate change are irreversible.

The scientists concluded global temperatures could remain high for 1,000 years, even if carbon emissions can somehow be halted.

Their report was sponsored by the US Department of Energy and comes as President Obama announces a review of vehicle emission standards.

It appears in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The scientists have been researching global warming and the consequences for policymakers.

The team warned that, if carbon levels in the atmosphere continued to rise, there would be less rainfall in already dry areas of southern Europe, North America, parts of Africa and Australia.

The scientists say the oceans are currently slowing down global warming by absorbing heat, but they will eventually release that heat back into the air.

They say politicians must now offset environmental damage already done by man-made pollution.

"People have imagined that if we stopped emitting carbon dioxide the climate would go back to normal in 100 years, 200 year - that's not true," said researcher Susan Solomon, the lead author of the report, quoted by AP news agency.

Their conclusions come as President Obama ordered the US Environmental Protection Agency to review rules on carbon emissions from passenger vehicles.

No, I can't make this stuff up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7852628.stm

[480sx]

No, we cant undo the damage we have done.

However we can not do anymore damage, that seems like a good idea.

[audtatious]

Ban automobiles, coal plants, manufacturing systems, agricultural. That will fix it all. I know, lets get rid of all the water on the planet since water vapor makes up 95% of all global warming gasses!!!!!!!

WE ARE DOOOMED. THE END OF THE WORLD IS NEAR.

[480sx]

Audatious, is that really you? Someone must have hijacked Aud's Nico account, SOMEONE CALL THE AUTHORITIES!

[ishkabibble]

Sorry guys, Portland is doing some deficit spending on winter warmth and sun, and most of the rest of the country has foot the bill.

Don't worry, the sun will eventually "trickle down" to your locales.

[datsun2401972]

I know, lets get rid of all the water on the planet since water vapor makes up 95% of all global warming gasses!!!!!!!

How ironic, the earths own recycling system produces more "climate change" than we could ever hope too....short of nuking the world...

[smockers83]

How ironic, the earths own recycling system produces more "climate change" than we could ever hope too....short of nuking the world...

Which is why hydrogen-powered cars would be an idiotic idea since their emission is water vapor.

[audtatious]

How ironic, the earths own recycling system produces more "climate change" than we could ever hope too....short of nuking the world...

Yep. That small percent of the remaining 5% that is CO2 and the small percent of THAT percent is what we add. Really makes sense, don't it?

[ishkabibble]

Really makes sense, don't it?

It could, but who knows?

[datsun2401972]

Which is why hydrogen-powered cars would be an idiotic idea since their emission is water vapor.

What keeps it from being idiotic is the reuseable fuel.

I'm not very knowledgeable about the worlds ecosystem.

You're insuating that hydrogen cars would just add to the water vapor pollution? Would the worlds ecosystem soak that additional water vapor up in it's rain-evaporate-condense cycle in a way that's not harmful?

Time for a search@!#

[ishkabibble]

Don't take showers! They release water vapor into the atmosphere! Friggin' idiots!

[audtatious]

If everyone stops breathing out CO2 we could solve issues too. Maybe the Gov will come out with human carbon capture systems for us to all wear

[audtatious]

As a side laugh, today in the Senate Al Gore "observed that the carbon dioxide (CO2) in Venus’ atmosphere supercharges the second-planet-from-the-sun’s greenhouse effect, resulting in surface temperatures of about 870 degrees Fahrenheit. Gore added that it’s not Venus’ proximity to the Sun that makes the planet much warmer than the Earth, because Mercury, which is even closer to the Sun, is cooler than Venus. Based on this rationale, then, Gore warned that we need to stop emitting CO2 into our own atmosphere."

While the above is true it's pretty comical to compare the Venus atmosphere, which is 97% CO2, to ours which is 0.038%. Mercury does not have any "green house gasses" in it's atmosphere at all. Maybe we just need to be more like Mercury?

[ishkabibble]

Why is it comical? Venus likely had an atmosphere similar to Earth's in the past.

Getting info from Fox News again? The right never lets science get in the way of its foregone conclusions.

[smockers83]

You're insuating that hydrogen cars would just add to the water vapor pollution? Would the worlds ecosystem soak that additional water vapor up in it's rain-evaporate-condense cycle in a way that's not harmful?

Water vapor has two effects on climate. Some of it rises, condenses, and falls as rain. Some of it rises and never falls as rain, acting as a greenhouse gas. When it rises, condenses and falls as rain, when it's in its condensed form as a cloud, it blocks out the sun, causing a cooling effect. So if we start emitting this stuff on a large scale with the transportation sector, we could cool our planet down significantly or heat it up significantly.

[audtatious]

Why is it comical? Venus likely had an atmosphere similar to Earth's in the past.

Getting info from Fox News again? The right never lets science get in the way of its foregone conclusions.

He's not comparing Venus in the past to Earth, he's comparing Venus today (970,000 parts per million of CO2) to Earth today (380 parts per million). Explain to me how comparing Venus to Earth is a proper rational?

I was quoting Al Gore himself, not Fox News. I find it amazing that people love to jump on the MMGW train by believing only certain scientists while ignoring those who do not concur with the "models" based on their own research. Until I see the scientific community coming to a real consensus on the matter, instead of the one pressed onto us all by the UN, Al Gore and others, I will continue to take what they say with a grain of salt.

[OriginalWheelman]

Why is it comical? Venus likely had an atmosphere similar to Earth's in the past.

Getting info from Fox News again? The right never lets science get in the way of its foregone conclusions.

As opposed to Mr. Gore just fires anyone who opposes his views? The comparison is a joke, we'd all be long dead before out atmosphere became that saturated with CO2. Furthermore, a planet without an atmosphere will not be as hot as one with an atmosphere. Mercury's surface is not insulated with an atmosphere and the mean temperature is low because the night side is factored in. The night side loses heat rapidly when not exposed to the sun, and causes significantly lower temperatures. In an atmosphere convection redistributes the planet's heat keeping it from cooling as rapidly on the night side. Furthermore, Venus' relative size causes it to absorb more of the Sun's energy. Venus is similar to Earth but is not the same. The surface of Venus lasts 5 times as long as surface on Earth, making it more prone to volcanoes, which are a huge contributor to greenhouse gasses. Venus has 93 x the amount of atmosphere of Earth, contributing a significant portion of the planet's weight. Atmospheric pressure on the surface of Venus is equivalent to 1 km down in the ocean on Earth. Venus is similar to Earth, and does have the characteristics Mr. Gore speaks of, but they are there for entirely different reasons that he is portraying.

[ishkabibble]

Explain to me how comparing Venus to Earth is a proper rational?

Venus likely had an atmosphere similar to Earth's in the past.

If you have a better planetary model, I'm all ears.

[OriginalWheelman]

Comparing Venus to Earth is like comparing a short fat red haired Irish guy with a tall skinny blond Nordic girl. They are similar, both are humans, both breath air, both have ten fingers, etc... but they are far from the same.

[S13_love]

Until I see the scientific community coming to a real consensus on the matter, instead of the one pressed onto us all by the UN,

Ha!

That won't happen.

[ishkabibble]

I did not say they were the same. Are they similar enough to draw some comparisons? Sure.

[OriginalWheelman]

Similar enough to say definitively that we need to cut CO2? No.

[ishkabibble]

I agree. I don't know how much of an effect CO2 has, and I feel our primary concern should be real pollutants.

But I'm not about to couch the comparison between Earth and Venus as "laughable".