So it's illegal to install remote start on a manual...

[mr_wizard]

I know a couple people that do have one installed on their manual's, in fact it's the same alarm system that I need installed. I got the Viper 791XV system, but no one can install it, business-wise. I just bought this damn near $600 alarm system, out of return policy because I've had it for about a month, and there's no one that will install it. What should I do? Think there's anyone on the side I could go to?

[onosqv]

you can still install it. Either yourself, or a shop.

The shop just can't install the remote start system. Everything else, they can.

Also, this has been talked about, both on here & http://www.the12volt.com.

You can check there if you want to tackle installing this yourself, very handy source.

Also, since it's a manual, I'm going to go ahead and say "please don't install the remote start feature" - I know ppl say, I will only have it in neutral when i start it and never in gear... there's a reason it's illegal/not recommended...

But if you must, you can also usually just talk to the guys who work there, and they'll install it for you on the side for some cash. Or you can talk to the store owner and say you will sign a waiver assuming all responsibility and that it will be an "offroad" vehicle.

Also, you got ripped off. It's not $600 for a 791xv. Even retail shops sell it for like 300, 400 installed. Ebay when it's up only sells it for 200-300.

[0wn3r]

i was just thinkin about this...

i could have swore that the alarms were designed that when remote started would bypass or take you out of the gear somehow. you're probably saying 'htf is that possible?'... i dont know, the voices in my head speak to me.

[mr_wizard]

Retail on it is about 560=570+ tax, that's how much i got it for. I didn't get it off eBay, I never trusted that site. I tried getting someone to do it on the side but it's too risky, they could lose their job over it. I'm sure if I were friends with them it would be fine but I don't know anyone well that can install it. Also, I never have the car in gear..... every time I come to a stop I put the car in neutral... and I put it in neutral every time I park the car too... so it's not a habit I'm going to have to get myself into. The waiver thing MAY work, or atleast that's my best bet. But I tried doing a car alarm thing before I just was completely overwhlemed, but still tried it and failed miserabley. I have a friend that said he would be able to do it but it would take days because of all the hook ups on the car.... maybe I can forward that info to him. Thanks

[Rex]

Very unlikely that you can get any shop to agree to do this, as they'd have to defeat a factory safety feature (requiring the clutch to be pressed to start) and there just aren't any worthwhile shops willing to defeat a factory safety feature for a customer. Sorry .

[EW]

I own, sell, and install remote start on manuals all the time. HOWEVER, we only use Clifford G4 or G5 model alarms with the Clifford Intellistart4 module or an Autopage 855 alarm. The above products are designed to work safely on manual cars because you have to go through an exit procedure to set them up to start. Without the exit procedure, they will not attempt to start. The Clifford Intellistart4 module works better IMO but there are not issues with either. I have NEVER seen documentation that remote start is illegal on a manual transmission car. When done on any Clifford MATRIX, viper, python, hornet, wasp, sidewinder, automate, valet, etc product it is not safe because the product was not designed to work on manual transmission cars. It can be done but we don't do it.

[Rex]

Installing remote start on a manaul (perse) isn't illegal, but if you have to disable any safety features to do so, you would be putting yourself in a litigious position, and possibly breaking a law. The alarms you mention are disbaling, but allowing you to "per occurence" set the car up to be remotely started.

[BaliLover]

What if you used the ebrake signal to make/break contact between the alarm unit and the relay for the remote starter feature?

[EW]

The e brake will still allow the vehicle to attempt to start while in gear and the car WILL move when the alarm attempts to start it. It is not a sufficient "safety".

[slipnfall]

I don't condon what I've done, so this is only for informative purposes...

That asside, I installed a Clifford RSX3.5 (it's identical to your 791VX) w/remote start on my manual. BTW you did pay too much: maybe that much *installed*. FYI it doesn't matter who you buy it from, if you don't have a qualified Directed electronics(they own a slew of companies, viper and clifford are two) sign off the warranty card, the warranty is no good anyways. I suggest getting everything but the remote start installed by a shop *for this purpose only*. It took me an entire weekend to install mine, w/all the bells and whistles(first time alarm install, and taking my time to wire loom everything, etc). Your back will thank you later if you have someone else install it for you.

Anyways, I used the e-brake signal as the 'Neutral Safety' input, and bypassed the clutch switch. I park on a slight incline, with e-brake on, and the starter is strong enough to move the car, even w/e-brake on!. I have just gotten into the habbit of leaving my car in N for the winter months(the only time I use remote start anyways). NEVER remote start the car if someone else has driven it!

FYI they *do* sell a device which allows you to safely(possibly legally) use a remote start in a M/T. Basically you have to take your foot off the clutch(with it still running), and push a button, and shut the car off. This 'latches', and it allows a remote start. After the next run you have to repeat the process or it won't remote start... SOME shops will install a remote start on a M/T if you use this safety device also. You can also look into rigging up/adding a neutral safety switch, which you will need to integrate into your shifter bezel.

HTH,'slip

[slipnfall]

Sorry EW, I didn't fully read your post.. those intelli-start modules are what I was talking about.

[mr_wizard]

Thanks for the info everyone, I think I might be able to find someone on the side for this. If not, Im going to have it installed up to the starter and then have a real electronic savvy friend hook up the rest....

[Florida240sx]

Very easy to bypass the factory switch.Install it your self.Anyway to have the shop wire it where you have to bypass the switch.The local shop here wouldn't even sell me the alarm system because I have a manual.

[Silvia007]

I have the 791xv with working remote start on my manual and yes you did pay quite a bit for it. I got it on ebay for 250. Did have to install it myself though. I would not recommend installing it if you are used to leaving it in first gear when leaving the car... I never leave it in gear and it's always been that way. When I park on inclines, I always turn my steering wheel appropriately, even so, my ebrake has yet to fail. A friend of mine went through some rough times with his. He loves to leave it in first gear when he's done for the day. Got a remote start installed and 2 days later remoted started it into the rear of a pickup truck.

[sunnys14]

just leave your car in 3rd gear or higher and you wont have problems.

[Silvia2b]

You can always install the relays so that they only bypass the clutch depress feature during remote starting x-mit,This way the safety features are still intact. The neutral saftey should not be connected to the ebrake wire! This is dangerous! you could remote start the car with no one it and not see it run over the kids who are playing in the street infront of your house, etc.

Why don't you instead connect it to the Neutral position switch wires on the tranmission of the vehicle. Check Factory service manual for the location and operation of this switch. That way if the vehicle is in any gear (including 3rd, 5th, REV, etc...) your alarm/ rmeote start will not attempt to start the car. You will have to get in push in the clutch and turn the key.

Be Safe! what ever you decide.