So I drove an 02 today....ehhh...it's o..k.

[HeavyDuty]

Sometimes that which you look forward to the most becomes the most anti-climactic.

On my way back from an errand, I noticed two 02 Q's at Orlando Infiniti. One Silver something, the other Silver something else.

Scoped around each, decided to take the lower mileage (45k) Silver for a spin.

Natural fininsh wood trim, non-premium, still cool though, a bit larger than mine, interior wise. Very nice, clean, fresh, updated, all the good stuff.

On the last road before we went to turn back, I nailed it from a 10mph roll.

Not to offend 02+ owners, but it was like stepping into a puddle of mud or a bowl of oatmeal.

My 91 would slaughter this car.

I also saw an 01 Special Ed. Nice, but if it's less powerful than the 02, I didn't want to waste the sales guy's time.

Wow, I'm bummed. So nice, but lacking umph.

If it weren't for the kids, I'd have tried an M45 on for size.

Pointless post #878.

Geez, now I'd have to buy the car AND the blower at the same time.

[Rex]

IIRC - there's a TSB for throttle tip in, that may address this issue, Jason B can you confirm or deny?

[AZ94Q]

The one you drove had the slower diff..

They only went 0-60 in 6.5 seconds

try a 2003, it can crack high 5s to 60

Plus with the continuous VVT the damn thing is so smooth you dont get that huge rush like the original Q... doesn't mean it isnt screaming though

[maxnix]

Yes there is, and if the transmission hasn't been programmed, then it can be a little sluggish.

In running with my friends who have the F50, they are quicker from a standing start thanks to the bottom gear of the five speed, but don't seem that much faster in the 50 mph - 90 mph sprint.

[HeavyDuty]

Hmm, reeeally? Maybe I should look for an 03, or find an updated 02 with the programming & other mods.

Really nice car, I do like it, and I'm sure I was a litle tepid with the sales guy in the car.

What am I thinking? An 02 would be hard enough to swing, guess I need to wait a while longer.

[AZhitman]

Two words:

Emmmm Fortyfive.

Thusly you shall find that which ye seek, and in abundance it shall be revealed.

[rsiwicki]

Heavy.....I drove both the Q & M and I would take the M45 any day over the Q.....Just my opinion.

Seriously....If I knew I could get a brand new M45 for low to mid 30's about 4 months ago I would be driving one right now. A guy in my building just bought a black on black M45 and use to drive a 92 Q. He got it yesterday. I asked him to race....he said you bet. I told him in about 4 weeks we will do it as I want to make sure your car is broken in....actually I will not have all my mods until then. So the race is on in about 4 weeks....this guy is going to get a surpise. He knows I have a few mods in the works but does not think that I can ever hang with him. I will just have to wait and see.

[AZ94Q]

Heh. He is about to get a nice little suprise...

people forget just how forward advancing the Q was...

Sorry, but we invented the modern v8 RWD performance sedan..

They think their new cars are so far forward in advacement, but they arnt' really..

All they have is a little more power, 1 more gear, and continuous valve timing...

I can't wait to get my Q into the high 13s

To all the haters: it will happen

I love the M45, it so yakuza..

But let's be fair here.. the New Q/M are downright SLOW for their power..

Uh oh im dropping bombs..

Well, sorry but I am

Look at the new E500 or the new 5 or the new 6 series

All similar weight gearing etc.. we have more power then all of these, and we can't get in the 13s, and ALL the above mentioned cars can..

[rsiwicki]

Like my other posts says....I know I have people doubting me, but I along with a few others will build the first 13's 1/4 ET car that is reliable. Only time will tell about the reliability aspect so you had all better stick around for another two years to find out

Heavy....check out my 4.08 rearend for sale thread...I posted pics of the differentials for you.

[AZ94Q]

Once we get the artist to do his master work on our Qs, the 13s will be all day long

[Rex]

Let's keep in mind he can't fit 3 car seats in the back of an M45 .

[HeavyDuty]

Let's keep in mind he can't fit 3 car seats in the back of an M45 .

Sure didn't look like they'd fit to me. They do fit in my 91, barely, with the armrests removed.

Even the 02 Q's backseat wasn't as big on the inside as it appeared it would from the outside.

Maybe I should go back there with a trunk full of my barcalounger baby seats & try to install them. Can you imagine the look on the salesman's face?

I could do an M, is it not about the same size backseat as my 91?

[MattB]

But let's be fair here.. the New Q/M are downright SLOW for their power..

A stock M45 has done 5.2 to 60.

[Jesda]

The M backseat is smaller than the G50 Q45. Noticeably smaller.

[AZ94Q]

They are quicker off the line... Btw that is not a standard number..

The 1/4 mile time is much more important.. and it's roughly 14.5@98... With 340 hp it should top 100.. espically with a low 0-60.

[HeavyDuty]

The M backseat is smaller than the G50 Q45. Noticeably smaller.

I kinda figured, I suppose I could disable the front air bag & seat my 7 yo in the front, but then I couldn't have any other passengers.

[AZhitman]

Are you sure you WANT any other passengers?

[HeavyDuty]

Are you sure you WANT any other passengers?

Well I'm sure as He11 not going to Mmmmm, ahem, Mmmur, (cough), Mmaar, (gulp) Marr..you know what I mean.

But!

That doesn't mean I'm dead. :pface

[szh]

Having owned a 1991 Q45 (first-gen that we all like) for seven years, a 1995 Q45 (last of the "good" first-gen's) for six years and a 2003 M45 (with eight months of ownership now - it is broken-in to 7000 miles now), and having driven all them at high-acceleration and relatively high-speeds (see Infiniti Stories), I feel that I have enough experience to comment (although my memories of the 1991 are tinged with time!).

So, I am sorry to burst any bubbles, but the stock M45 will beat the first-gen stock Q45 (even if in close to new condition) from any speed to any speed. Short of adding a super-charger or turbo-charger or other mods to the first-gen Q45, it will not keep up until you get to 147 mph (when the M45 rev-limiter theoretically kicks in), although I have not yet taken my M45 to that speed (a test run in the works soon!)

I can't comment on the 02 or later Q45, of course, or on any modded first-gen Q (like with modified ECU's, etc.). Not having personal experience with them limits my ability to make objective comments.

Regardless, objective results are better than anything else. So ... I will be very interested in the outcome of the rsiwicki and colleague challenge posted above - hope you have a relatively stock Q (in close to good, new condition) when you do the runs! Please do make sure that the M45 has the transmission reset done and make sure that its VDC is turned off for the launch. Also, try alternate runs in each others car to cancel out driver skill differences.

I am confident that the M45 will beat the Q45 ... on the low end (to 60mph) for sure, as well as the high end (from 50 to 120mph).

Awaiting the results ...

Z

[AZ94Q]

Nobody said a stock M45/q45 wouldn't beat a stock first gen G50..

Obviously

340 hp333 torque

278292

62 more hp41 more torque

Lighter weight/5 speed transmission..

This should not be a discussion, as it's a waste of time..

This is what is of discussion

G50 with the following mods

JWT ECU/TCU4.08Level ten transmission/modified torque convertor

That is what we are discussing...

My bet is the G50 loses no ground to the m45, and will beat it at speed..

Greg raced a LS430 in his 94+ Q45.. he beat it repeatedly... Now the LS430 has the same accelration/trap speeds (slighty better even) then the new Q/M...

The evidence is already there.. Haters may try to cloud the issue, but it's clear..

The G50 with the above mods is a low 14 second car with high 90s trap speeds..

Palmer ran a 99 trap in his older 91 with not even all the above mentioned mods..

I'm down to race anyone in the phoenix area with a new M/Q when I get my car.. settle this debate

Anyone else who lives in the same area should as well..

[szh]

Okay, I must have missed (or misread) the point of the posts that discussed what was being compared. Sorry about that!

However, the proof is still is in the actual running! I would love to see real-world runs and results! Comparing a stock M45 to a modified Q45 (as you defined), that is!

Z

[szh]

By the way, yes, three full car-seats for children will not fit across the back-seat of my M45, nor would they fit in the back-seat of the 1995 Q45 I had (as I seem to recall).

However, if the child is the right weight and height, then you can get booster seats - two of them with the attached high backs and one of the backless design (in the center position) will fit across the the M45 seat. Three backless ones are easy.

Z

[szh]

Seriously....If I knew I could get a brand new M45 for low to mid 30's about 4 months ago I would be driving one right now.

I got a brand-new M45 for $34.5k back in September. Base model, no extras, and I am perfectly happy with that!Quote »A guy in my building just bought a black on black M45 and use to drive a 92 Q. He got it yesterday. I asked him to race....he said you bet. I told him in about 4 weeks we will do it as I want to make sure your car is broken in....actually I will not have all my mods until then. So the race is on in about 4 weeks....this guy is going to get a surpise. He knows I have a few mods in the works but does not think that I can ever hang with him. I will just have to wait and see. [/quote]

Would love to see the results of your race! What are the plans for mods on your Q? Do you have another thread on that?

Z

[AZ94Q]

M45 black, with spoiler..

So sexy

The legroom is cramped... alot like my friends jag... the Q was relatively cramped for how big of a car it was.. but you can fit a normal sized person comfortablly behind the passanger.. driver seat as well, although I hate having to change my seat positon for someone sitting behind me... hehe

[rsiwicki]

these are the planned mods for my car that should be all done within the next month

JWT ECU4.08Level ten transmission with 2,400 stall torque convertor

transmission gets installed on Tuesday. I am putting in a 92 transmission with the lower 1st gears into my 95 car.JWT ECU will be here late next week after waiting 7 weeks...called them to verify4.08 will be installed in about 3 weeks (just shipped it out yesterday)

There may be a couple other mods to come in the following month such as a carbon fiber driveshaft and other goodies.

[rsiwicki]

The price you paid for your M45 is great. I had looked at them when they first came out and the lowest I could get was $46K and they were not moving an inch lower so when I was looking at buying a new car 4 months ago I never considered them becuase I thought the price was still in the mid 40's.

All the cars I wanted to buy were at least $40K and up and then I found this site while researching cars and decided that I would keep the Q after owning it since 1998 and fix it up and put some mods into it to give me the performance that I want. In the end...I think that I can upgrade the Q to perform equally with all the new 2003/2004 performance sedan and at the same time not have a $600+ car payment for next 5 years.

[HeavyDuty]

Hey,

Would I be a doof to consider a QX45?

[Rex]

A wha?

[maxnix]

Hey,

Would I be a doof to consider a QX45?

Upgrade to the QX56.

[HeavyDuty]

Somebody stop me, I just got back from a test drive of an 04 Marauder.

Sticker 35k, dropped his drawers to 27k without batting an eye, bet I can get it for 25k.

Don't tell me about all the negative things comapred to my Q. I already know, but sometimes you can't always get what you want, plus an 03 Cobra swap could be future project.

QX56 too large, Brian. Really don't want a Ute, but the QX45 was kind of a crossover-ute-not-a-ute-not-a-van-not-a-stationwagon thingy.