so happy my stillen pulley came in !!!!

[terrellshedrick]

IDK WHY BUT IT TOOK ABOUT 3 WEEKS FOR MY STILLEN PULLEY TO COME IN. IT MAKES ME MAD THAT I HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG BUT AT LEAST IT CAME IN TIME FOR THE D1 SHOW NOW I SHOULD DEF. BE IN THE 300HP CLUB I BELIEVE MY CAR HAS SOO MUCH POTENTIAL. SO IM HAPPY THAT I GOT 1MORE MOD FOR THE SHOW I IJUST FOUND OUT MY HEAD LIGHT AND OPPOSITE FOG LIGHT HOUSING BROKE OFF OUT OF THE BUMBER IM SOO F'N PISSED! SO THE FRONT OF MY CAR LOOK LIKE A RETARDED ROBOT WITH A HALF JOB EYE SURGERY. I WILL LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW THE PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE IS. I KNOW IT SHOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF I HAVE THE GREDDY TI-C EXHAUST AND THE AEM COLD AIR INTAKE + NEW PULLEY ANY IDEAS OF TOTAL HP GAIN?

SEE EVERY1 AT THE D1 SHOW OR ANY MEETS COMMING UP.

[Mr.Coupe]

HOLY CAPS-LOCK BATMAN. What difference will the pulley have with your car in the D1 Show since it's not visible? Just curious to know.

Ricky C.

[terrellshedrick]

the pulley gives you ten hp to the wheels thats what i was told from stillen before i bought it. if i see a big difference i will let everyone know. i just want everything i put my money towards my car to be worth it.

[Mr.Coupe]

Oh you will notice an increase in acceleration. Faster takeoff and smooth as well. I had Stillen install the pulley, Cat-Back and BBK's on my car before I got my Turbo installed. I noticed a HUGE difference. You'll be happy with it dude.

Ricky C.

[dangeris]

I'm going to try to make it to the D! show too but I'll be just coming back from a cross country drive (Vegas to PA) We'll see what happens.

[Throckmorton]

IDK WHY BUT IT TOOK ABOUT 3 WEEKS FOR MY STILLEN PULLEY TO COME IN. IT MAKES ME MAD THAT I HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG BUT AT LEAST IT CAME IN TIME FOR THE D1 SHOW NOW I SHOULD DEF. BE IN THE 300HP CLUB I BELIEVE MY CAR HAS SOO MUCH POTENTIAL. SO IM HAPPY THAT I GOT 1MORE MOD FOR THE SHOW I IJUST FOUND OUT MY HEAD LIGHT AND OPPOSITE FOG LIGHT HOUSING BROKE OFF OUT OF THE BUMBER IM SOO F'N PISSED! SO THE FRONT OF MY CAR LOOK LIKE A RETARDED ROBOT WITH A HALF JOB EYE SURGERY. I WILL LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW THE PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE IS. I KNOW IT SHOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF I HAVE THE GREDDY TI-C EXHAUST AND THE AEM COLD AIR INTAKE + NEW PULLEY ANY IDEAS OF TOTAL HP GAIN?

I am happy that you are happy since your Stillen pulley arrived. Yes, your car does have so much potential.

Why would you be under the impression that your car is now in the 300 HP club?

Are you aware that the pulley does not make one extra peak HP for you?

I asked the question about lightweight pulley horse power gain.

Here are Josh@Stillen's very own words on this issue:

« Re: Pulleys worth it? (Throckmorton) 7:56 PM 7/15/2009

"Throckmorton.. you're exactly right. Underdrive and lightweight crank pulleys do NOT increase the horsepower of the car, they increase the power delivered to the wheels, making the driveline more efficient.The factory pulley is a cast steel monster, which is infinitely cheaper process to manufacture, versus cutting a billet pulley out of a solid chunk of aluminum. It's much easier for the engine to turn, and that free'd up power is delivered to the driveline."

http://forums.altimas.org/zero...th-it

I hope this helps you.

[audtatious]

+1

To the OP, I do hope you replace (or replaced) the seal when you swap pulleys. Too many people swap them and end up with oil leaks due to cheaping out (or not knowing) and not replacing the seal.

[1125Altima3.5]

A lightweight/underdrive pulley reduces drivetrain loss and increases power delivered to the wheels. Improves acceleration much like an increase in crank horsepower would.

It's not a huge mod, but it is definitely not magic beans.

[jdeb101]

+1

To the OP, I do hope you replace (or replaced) the seal when you swap pulleys. Too many people swap them and end up with oil leaks due to cheaping out (or not knowing) and not replacing the seal.

What seal are you referring to?

[audtatious]

There should be a seal around the area where it mounts to the crank.

[jdeb101]

There should be a seal around the area where it mounts to the crank.

Thanks for letting me know, I would def not have changed it if it wasnt for you. I really dont want to screw anything up, pretty much a complete noob at modding cars.

Where would I get that btw and is there a special size I would ask for?

[LinkNuc]

10HP to the wheels, pa lease, Throck, adidas, chime in on this please, here we go again...more kool-aid

[Throckmorton]

10HP to the wheels, pa lease, Throck, adidas, chime in on this please, here we go again...more kool-aid

I thought long and hard about buying and installing a High Performance Light Weight Pulley, from Placebo Effect Industries, but I came up with a better idea to make real horsepower. Cheaper, much cheaper in fact.

I simply removed my drive belt/s, and with no other modifications, I gained an additional 25 horsepower. I don’t worry about the car over heating, as the water pump is driven internally. My car has quicker acceleration, much like it more horsepower at the crank. I completely eliminated my horse power robbing drive train parasites.

Real men have no need for Air Conditioning, Power Steering, or an Alternator.

I was a non-believer until I purchased my Double "Ohm I'm Makin More HP" Grounding kit from Frigamall Industries.com. "It is very hard to think Positive" is their motto. I got a charge out of reading the simple installation instructions. As they said, "Simple instructions for simple minds." I knew that this was for me. For the longest time I thought “Volt” was an energy drink, but after purchasing my grounding kit, I found out that I was wrong.

I know that I am making at least 15 more hp from this mod alone, as I have to add distilled water daily to my battery, as it is so well grounded.

Now when I use my I-Pod in the car, I hear clearer, cleaner music, and I picked up an extra 4gb of memory because of the grounding kit.

Added together, my butt dyno says that I have gained 40 more horsepower, and my favorite Kool Aid is Grape.

I am a believer.

[1125Altima3.5]

I thought long and hard about buying and installing a High Performance Light Weight Pulley, from Placebo Effect Industries, but I came up with a better idea to make real horsepower. Cheaper, much cheaper in fact.

Buddy, you should go molest a squirrel or something instead of taking out your neuroses on internet strangers.

It has already been stated clearly and succintly how a lightweight/underdrive pulley improves wheel horsepower. Unless you can refute this point and/or show that the gains are negligible, please just STFU.

You will not be able to do the first, because the physics is undeniable. You will not be able to do the second unless you purchase, install and dyno an underdrive/lightweight pulley. So either put your money where your mouth is or back under the bridge!

[Throckmorton]

Terrellshedrick:

"the pulley gives you ten hp to the wheels thats what i was told from stillen before i bought it. if i see a big difference i will let everyone know. i just want everything i put my money towards my car to be worth it. "

1125Altima3.5

"It has already been stated clearly and succintly how a lightweight/underdrive pulley improves wheel horsepower. Unless you can refute this point and/or show that the gains are negligible, please just STFU. You will not be able to do the first, because the physics is undeniable. You will not be able to do the second unless you purchase, install and dyno an underdrive/lightweight pulley. So either put your money where your mouth is or back under the bridge!"

1125Altima3.5,

Thank you for making my point. My point is that there have been no scientific tests run to prove that the pulley improves wheel horsepower. I don’t feel that ‘butt dynos’ are “clearly and succinctly” proof, as you must, to come to your conclusion.

You are correct, the physics are undeniable. Or they should be. Or they might be. Or they could be.

We will not know because the manufacture of the pulley, in this case Stillen, will not, has not, or can not back up the ‘10hp’ claim that terrellshedrick refers to in his post.

You know, terrellshedrick did not pull that 10hp figure out of thin air, or out from under a bridge, or hear it from a squirrel, he got it from the Stillen website, which states:Up to 80% lighter weight than stock steel and up to 10% lighter than other aftermarket pulleys, we’ve seen power gains of up to 10+ HP at the wheels.http://www.stillen.com/product...LTIMA

And yes, I searched the Stillen website under the vehicle heading of 2007 Nissan Altima.

How did Stillen “see power gains of up to 10+ HP at the wheels’? Butt dyno??????? Creative advertising department?????? Read it on a Nissan forum????? Voodoo????? Witchcraft????? Tarot cards????? Is by chance their ad misleading?

If their ad is incorrect, whose responsibility is it to change it so that as you say “… instead of taking out your neuroses on internet strangers.”

In all honesty, I want “internet strangers” to read these forums, and to see both sides of an issue, so that they suffer no nuerosis after purchasing something that may or not work as advertised.

Do you know of any reputable scientific testing has been conducted? If you do know, please provide a link to the testing. Are you aware of any testing conducted by an automobile magazine? If you are, please provide a link.

You ask me to do this: “you purchase, install and dyno an underdrive/lightweight pulley…”

I will tell you why I am not going to do that. I am not the manufacture and /or seller of the pulley. I am not the person and or company that is making alleged performance gains that can not be proven by scientific method. I have no intention of parting with my money to purchase an aftermarket pulley, and have it installed.

Why don’t you have a dynamometer test conducted so you will know the exact gains the pulley gave you? You are claiming that the laws of physics are on your side, so show us the results. I am not the one claiming performance gains.

I have complete trust and faith in the pulley that the Nissan engineers chose to install at the factory on my Altima. I understand that not everyone has that same level of trust, and chooses to change the pulley.

In this debate, all I and others ask is to show the proof. Not too much to ask, is it?

Proof that it does what you claim it does, or proof that it doesn’t.

If I am proven incorrect, by scientific method, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

[crayzitalian3]

where has the love gone on this forum

[rjdmmfl1]

where has the love gone on this forum

the forum is fine, its neurotic a$$clowns like thornton, that have been dsrupting things as of late...who the phuck is this cxlown? he came out of nowhere, and I have yet to see a positive post from him....

[crayzitalian3]

i try not to let it bother me much, but i mean everyone has a right to there own opinion, but don't come out full force you know, let everyone enjoy themselves with what they want.

yes it is ok to fill in on what they got, but i mean don't put people down because of something you think or because there is no proof of something. obviously there has been a lot of posts about the pulleys and a lot* of people are happy with it, who cares if it does or doesn't give you horsepower, the matter of the fact is that the people who installed it and experienced it knows what the real truth is.

sorry about being off topic!

[jdeb101]

Just ordered mine today. Only paid $115 including the belt after using Stillen bucks and there free belt special. I'll be sure to post my opinions after the install. Does anyone know if the average auto parts store will have the seal to replace? If so, what would I ask for?

[1125Altima3.5]

You are correct, the physics are undeniable. Or they should be. Or they might be. Or they could be.

Ok, so you don't believe in the concepts of torque, moment of inertia, or mechanical advantage. You need to see the "proof".

Do you have proof that your engine is making 200-270hp at the crank? Or that is has it has 4-6 cylinders/pistons instead of a bunch of hamsters running on wheels inside the crankcase?

No - you believe it to be the case because a company told you so, and you generally understand how internal combustion engines work. People who buy performance parts do the same thing - they buy what seems to be a promising, cool upgrade. (although in some cases they may be a waste of money, there is a very clear way to see the benefits of an underdrive/lightweight pulley)

This is really a ridiculous argument. You might as well tell people not to buy Dr Pepper because it there's no proof that it's different from Mr Pibb.

[audtatious]

Thanks for letting me know, I would def not have changed it if it wasnt for you. I really dont want to screw anything up, pretty much a complete noob at modding cars.

Where would I get that btw and is there a special size I would ask for?

Check with your local Nissan parts department if your local Autozone-style parts place does not have one.

[audtatious]

Thank you for making my point. My point is that there have been no scientific tests run to prove that the pulley improves wheel horsepower. I don’t feel that ‘butt dynos’ are “clearly and succinctly” proof, as you must, to come to your conclusion.

What is a dyno test going to prove? The VQ35DE coupe has 270hp which means the 10hp you are wanting dyno proof on is appx 3.7% of rated hp. There is NO WAY any dyno can accurately measure that small of a percentage consistently so it's a moot point. Heat soak, temperature and humidity changes, etc. will all ensure the numbers are never the same.

Who cares where and how Stillen got the numbers as overall it's such a small percentage? Freeing up the weight of the engines rotational mass will make it more efficient, you've stated the same thing. Also, who cares if members refer to it as adding hp vs. freeing up hp? It's been stated numerous times in this thread and there is no reason for you to continue digging into that point. Let it go.

[Throckmorton]

Rjdmmfl! he came out of nowhere, and I have yet to see a positive post from him....

Audacious: Let it go.

You guys have a point. It was rude of me to come out of nowhere and question performance claims that are posted on these forums. In retrospect, I should have obtained permission from the elder statesmen on this board before questioning claims made. We all know that if a guy posts it on this forum, it has to be true, and no one wants to read a disparaging word about some outlandish performance claim, or modification.

After all, this is a support group, not a discussion board.

From this point forward, I will only respond in happy, positive , supportive words and phrases.

Here are examples of my new, supportive, positive future posts:

Dude, I can’t wait to get one, but my Visa card is maxed out! Bummer!

Wow Dude, you lucky dog, that intake / exhaust / pulley / window tint / headlight mod / KittyCat GTP tuner has to add mega horsepower! I want one too ! I'm going to do the exact same mod to my car.

Oh my gawd! Dude, using only a hacksaw and some hand tools, making your Altima a convertible is so cool! I want to do that to mine! Please post more pictures!

So, yes, you may claim victory. I will let it go.

Until next time.

[LinkNuc]

I love the candor! I find it a breath of fresh air. I also like when adidas chimes in too.

[BrianAdams03]

Rjdmmfl! he came out of nowhere, and I have yet to see a positive post from him....

Audacious: Let it go.

You guys have a point. It was rude of me to come out of nowhere and question performance claims that are posted on these forums. In retrospect, I should have obtained permission from the elder statesmen on this board before questioning claims made. We all know that if a guy posts it on this forum, it has to be true, and no one wants to read a disparaging word about some outlandish performance claim, or modification.

After all, this is a support group, not a discussion board.

From this point forward, I will only respond in happy, positive , supportive words and phrases.

Here are examples of my new, supportive, positive future posts:

Dude, I can’t wait to get one, but my Visa card is maxed out! Bummer!

Wow Dude, you lucky dog, that intake / exhaust / pulley / window tint / headlight mod / KittyCat GTP tuner has to add mega horsepower! I want one too ! I'm going to do the exact same mod to my car.

Oh my gawd! Dude, using only a hacksaw and some hand tools, making your Altima a convertible is so cool! I want to do that to mine! Please post more pictures!

So, yes, you may claim victory. I will let it go.

Until next time.

I don't think anyone is complaining about you questioning the performance gains of this mod(and many, many, many others), because I'm sure anyone who buys any product questions whether or not it really does as much it says it does, it's the fact that your are blatantly trying to say "You are a f***ing idiot for buying into the '+1 trillion hp for a sticker' hype, just because others said it would work. And w/e the producer of the item says is complete bs because my e-peen is bigger than anyone else's and everyone should listen to me." It's getting annoying, but like others have said, you have to have a sack of sh*t to make the roses look good.

Edit: Also, are you going to be willing to pay for all of the dyno's you are wanting to see from each and every mod you are bashing? Didn't think so, so stfu about dyno's and take people's word on butt dyno's and w/e else they say to an extent..... you seem to be somewhat competent and I would think you would be able to decipher yourself if it would be a legitimate product or not.

But back on topic, OP, have you seen any decrease in power of anything the pully is hooked up to? A/C? Alternator? ect...

[Throckmorton]

According to the Stillen website, their pulley is the same OD as the factory stock pulley, so the driven accessories are spun at the same speed as stock.

Can't speak for any other company ( if any ) that makes a pulley for the Altima.

I hope that answers you question.

[audtatious]

Rjdmmfl! he came out of nowhere, and I have yet to see a positive post from him....

Audacious: Let it go.

You guys have a point. It was rude of me to come out of nowhere and question performance claims that are posted on these forums. In retrospect, I should have obtained permission from the elder statesmen on this board before questioning claims made. We all know that if a guy posts it on this forum, it has to be true, and no one wants to read a disparaging word about some outlandish performance claim, or modification.

After all, this is a support group, not a discussion board.

From this point forward, I will only respond in happy, positive , supportive words and phrases.

Here are examples of my new, supportive, positive future posts:

Dude, I can’t wait to get one, but my Visa card is maxed out! Bummer!

Wow Dude, you lucky dog, that intake / exhaust / pulley / window tint / headlight mod / KittyCat GTP tuner has to add mega horsepower! I want one too ! I'm going to do the exact same mod to my car.

Oh my gawd! Dude, using only a hacksaw and some hand tools, making your Altima a convertible is so cool! I want to do that to mine! Please post more pictures!

So, yes, you may claim victory. I will let it go.

Until next time.

who's claiming victory? You are arguing points that have already been made and agreed upon. Hell, I've agreed with a couple of things you have stated. Having a discussion is fine but going on rants about placebo effects does not a discussion make, nor does the childish retort above.

[audtatious]

According to the Stillen website, their pulley is the same OD as the factory stock pulley, so the driven accessories are spun at the same speed as stock.

Can't speak for any other company ( if any ) that makes a pulley for the Altima.

I hope that answers you question.

http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/

Unorthodox Racing makes both lightened pulleys and underdrive pulleys for the Altima....

[dldjros69]

According to the Stillen website, their pulley is the same OD as the factory stock pulley, so the driven accessories are spun at the same speed as stock.

Can't speak for any other company ( if any ) that makes a pulley for the Altima.

I hope that answers you question.

OD?

stillen makes 2 pulleys

the 2.5 is the same size as the OEM pulley - spins the accessories the samethe 3.5 is an underdrive pulley/smaller than the OEM - spins them 20% slower, hence the alternator question

Rjdmmfl! he came out of nowhere, and I have yet to see a positive post from him....

I would have to say that Doc is a very important member to this forum. Besides his A/V entertainment/electrical knowledge he is very helpful in other areas.

He can be a little nutty at times, but this is not one of them. He has given back on many occasions and supports the forum. Im happy you are giving your opinion and helping others possibly save money but the way you go about it is all wrong. Your rude and condescending. I hope your a big dude because if you go around acting like this in real life. gzzz i dont even want to say it.

[terrycs]

FWIW, there was a recent thread in another forum from a guy who blew the motor in his G because of a Stillen pulley. Nissan blamed the pulley and would not cover the new motor which ended up costing the owner $13K to replace.

Even though most do not believe it was the pulley itself, Nissan still used it as a reason to deny coverage. Just something to consider.