Snow in October, GTFOH...

[Ace 2.0]

Anyone here from Atlanta? I wonder if they get snow normally. We may be taking a trip up there after the baby comes in January. I don't think I own a single article of clothing that would hold up to snow type weather, might just shave my GSD and make a fur coat out of that

i was in atlanta this weekend and it was cold 90% the days,with warming sun in the afternoon.
bbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..........i hate the cold.
(but driving in snow is fun and a challenge for the from the dirty south )

[Bubba1]

You really think folks would be paying less in generator and fuel costs than they would in a tax to cover the infrastructure improvement?

Absolutely! You might want to consider the sheer magnitude of cost for you're what you're suggesting. You're talking like $3.5 million PER MILE to redirect those lines underground. Now muliply that by the insane number of miles of above ground wire that Connecticut has, plus replacing every single transformer in every single neighbor hood, and altering access to every single user. It's cost prohibitive. Connecticut already has some of the higher property taxes in the country, plus has bigger infrastructure problems than the occasional severe storm power outage. You don';t think It would make more sense to spend a tiny fraction of that money to perhaps trim (or perhaps remove a few) trees that are too close to existing powerlines, and suggest those homeowners like you that feel it's that important enough to have such a backup, to go out and buy it themselves, rather than everyone pay even more in taxes? And as far as fuel being a factor, you're only consuming fuel when the emergency generator is running, and that happens ONLY for the duration of the outage, which represents an extremely small block of time over a year.

[IBCoupe]

It's still a cost. Trees grow back, storms keep coming. Schools keep closing, production is still lost... I bet I can come up with net savings within the next decade if I keep going.

[Bubba1]

It's still a cost. Trees grow back, storms keep coming. Schools keep closing, production is still lost... I bet I can come up with net savings within the next decade if I keep going.

LOL, Please go ahead. It's your time/money. Of course, other towns/cities have already investigated doing the exact same thing, and all concluded that the cost to do it was simply too prohibitive. But, hey, what do they know?

[IBCoupe]

LOL, Please go ahead. It's your time/money. Of course, other towns/cities have already investigated doing the exact same thing, and all concluded that the cost to do it was simply too prohibitive. But, hey, what do they know?

LOL, cool beans, Bubba! Lemme know when an argument that isn't an appeal to authority shows up, okay?

[Dattebayo]

LOL, cool beans, Bubba! Lemme know when an argument that isn't an appeal to authority shows up, okay?

lolwut

[Bubba1]

LOL, cool beans, Bubba! Lemme know when an argument that isn't an appeal to authority shows up, okay?

Nice how you added the second sentence later, buddy. But, to respond, then perhaps you can advise me when you can accept being wrong, particularly about subject you know very little about.

[DJ_B_Easy]

Hai gais!

Thought I might find a thread about this I could vent on. I lost power Saturday around 5:00 PM and I dont have it back yet (logged on from the office right now). I had about 10" of snow by Sunday morning. No electricity = no heat + no hot water for me as well. More trees down now than after Irene. JCP&L said I MIGHT have power back by Thursday.

Yay snow in October!

[Jesda]

I want to dress Isaac up and cut his hair.

But I would not let him sit with the other dolls.

[IBCoupe]

Nice how you added the second sentence later, buddy. But, to respond, then perhaps you can advise me when you can accept being wrong, particularly about subject you know very little about.

Isn't it, though?

http://www.powerlinefacts.com/connectic ... ground.htm

We're already doing it for all new power lines. It's too expensive for towns and cities, yes, but not for the state to take on itself. Which would be why I asked if Connecticut would bury its power cables. Better?

Now why don't you go ahead and tell me why I should give a damn about what other cities and towns have said?

EDIT: I actually didn't specify CT; my mistake. It's what I meant, but "we [] all" would arguably go to the next higher level, where the cost absolutely would not be prohibative.

[Bubba1]

installing new power lines to new developments is A LOT cheaper and easier than rerouting/burying old existing ones, which is why new developments do it, and old ones don't. We're discussing the latter.


Why should you give a damn what other cities and downs have done?

Simple, to save the town,county or state from wasting thousands of tax dollars doing a second identical cost study. Its an innovative concept called common sense. And if you think your state is swimming in money these days eager to spend it on a project like that, I have a bridge to sell you. As I said before, there are far other more pressing state infrastructure issues that states need to address before minimizing the length of a power failure that doesn't happen often. At the end of the day when reality sets in, you can either take precautions on your own to minimize the impact in the event of a blackout, or move. Once people learn the steep price tag on burying the existing lines, and accompanying additional tax burden required to pay for it, I doubt people will be as eager to support it as you.

[IBCoupe]

I should note that I haven't actually been bothered by the outages in CT. Neither Irene nor the Nor'Easter took my apartment's power offline. I'm not arguing from a personal annoyance.

And I'm not suggesting that we need a study. Common sense says that while the up-front cost is high, over time, the savings will present themselves. They won't present themselves by the next election cycle, and they may not even present themselves in the lifetimes of most taxpayers. But it's a terrible inefficiency that needs to be fixed.

And I don't have any doubt that most people won't like paying for it. They don't like paying for anything.

[Dattebayo]

That was so derp it herped.

How can you say "over time the savings will present themselves" and then immediately follow up with "they may not even present themselves in the lifetimes of most taxpayers"?

[DJ_B_Easy]

Debate, shmebate...

MY ELECTRICITY IS BACK!!!

Check the IP mofos!

[mmkeller]

My neighborhood was developed in '82 and has underground power lines. I wouldn't live in a suburb with overhead power lines, haven't since '99 and never will again. Of course there are always sub stations that take the hits and you can loose power that way.

[IBCoupe]

That was so derp it herped.

How can you say "over time the savings will present themselves" and then immediately follow up with "they may not even present themselves in the lifetimes of most taxpayers"?

By acknowledging that we've harnessed electricity for more than 100 years, aren't likely to kick the habit in the next century, and that most people won't see the next fifty, let alone the next 100?

[Dattebayo]

Yeah, no. See when you talk about a project for a few houses that will probably not even contain the same people but for a few years, your plan makes no sense. For the cost of it all, why not just move? Derp.

[IBCoupe]

Also, look at it this way, Dave:

If demand for electricity is going to continue to rise...
And reliance upon continued electricity service is going to continue to rise...
And productivity based upon continued electricity service is going to rise...
The costs of each outage, per day, will continue to increase. This year, outages in CT knocked out 800,000 homes, untold numbers of businesses, and probably dozens if not hundreds of schools. Entire towns shut down. What happens as the less urbanized parts of the state continue to pack in with more people? What about Long Island?

Long Island Power estimates that it'd cost $25 billion over 30 years. My question is: why the hell haven't they started? In 30 years, $25 billion is likely to be the annual losses due to power outages for all the businesses located on Long Island (edit: if it isn't already).

[IBCoupe]

Yeah, no. See when you talk about a project for a few houses that will probably not even contain the same people but for a few years, your plan makes no sense. For the cost of it all, why not just move? Derp.

For a few houses? lolwut?

[Dattebayo]

Nevermind, it's clear you can't understand that this has to be done neighborhood by neighborhood...

I can talk till I'm blue in the face and you wouldn't budge.

[IBCoupe]

Try using less ambiguous language. I honestly don't know what you were trying to say.

[IBCoupe]

Who is the "you?" The government? An individual taxpayer? A person deciding where to live? Is it the same perspective in both parts of your comment?

[IBCoupe]

And why must it be done at the neighborhood level? What actually prevents a state legislature from passing a law saying, "We hereby allocate X funds over Y years to Z company in order to bury all power lines within the Great State of Northwest Pennsyl-tucky?" In Connecticut, CL&P has said, "We'll let cities/towns tell us to bury our power lines if they foot the bill." Is there any reason to suspect that if the State of Connecticut paid them instead of, say, the Village of Moosup, it'd be any more difficult for them to bury the lines in Moosup?

[Jesda]

This is the most tedious, pointless discussion to ever grace the pages of General Chat.

I hope your house mysteriously smells like nala's QX4.

[IBCoupe]

Let it be known throughout the lands that if you're going to nit-pick any of my toss-away comments, I'm gonna make you work for it.

[Bubba1]

Let it be known throughout the lands that if you're going to nit-pick any of my toss-away comments, I'm gonna make you work for it.

...while you dismiss the primary comments others make. This thread has run its course.