-Brandon
Edit: It really couldn't be just because I may or may not be a good driver, it was from a roll with minimal shifting.
Edit2: The car has a manual trans.
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slow 240
slow 240
So, I have a '91 s13. Basically stock. Cone filter, underdrive pulley, short shifter, spec stage 3, spl t/c rods, 205/50/15 azenis tires. Why is it so slow? lol, is it cause it's old? It seems like 155 hp and 160 torque should be faster. I mean, I was DEAD even with a '95 civic EX (soch d16 vtec) with intake, cat-back, 17s, and some BS ecu chip. it was from a roll and we were dead even. I should have killed him. Yeah, he's lighter, but still, I shoulda won. Also, I raced a new Si, got walked. He's got a short ram. But stock he's got 5 more hp and way less torque, weight is nearly the same, and my redline is actually higher (even though I usually shift at around 6200 anyway). We raced from a roll also. SO, to sum up, why am I losing to cars I should be beating? Is it just because my car is almost 15 years old? Its only got less then 130,000 miles and no major problems. Do you other stock s13 guys lose to cars like this?
-Brandon
Edit: It really couldn't be just because I may or may not be a good driver, it was from a roll with minimal shifting.
Edit2: The car has a manual trans.
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-Brandon
Edit: It really couldn't be just because I may or may not be a good driver, it was from a roll with minimal shifting.
Edit2: The car has a manual trans.
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skydragoness
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I'm sorry. I beat the piss out of a Eclipse RS (1st gen). I have no idea what hp they have. How fast of a roll were you doing? KA's own Honda's off the line. But Honda's have the high-end advantage, unfortunately. Two Civics beat you? I'm sorry. There was a 03' v6 Mustang with Altezza's, that i contemplated about. But the kid who was driving it actually had a manual *gasp* ignoring them is usually best. Makes them look dumb.
All i know is that if that Stang were to follow me on the twisty road near my house---he'd be struggling.
edit: I have half the mods you have, i only am running a short ram intake, high-flow cat, and a custom 2.5" catback. Ever take your car to the strip? I did. It's depressing.
All i know is that if that Stang were to follow me on the twisty road near my house---he'd be struggling.
edit: I have half the mods you have, i only am running a short ram intake, high-flow cat, and a custom 2.5" catback. Ever take your car to the strip? I did. It's depressing.
What'd you run at the track? How many miles are on your car?
Both guys were my buddies, so there were no hard feelings. If they woulda boasted, I woulda beat the **** out of them anyway.
The EX I raced from a slow roll, actually we both came off a left turn and floored it. I was behind him but did not gain at all.
The SI I raced from probly like 65 or 70mph.
I also raced an older SI, I think it was a '99 from a stop and took it through 1st gear but then it quickly caught up and passed me while I was in 2nd. I do have a stock LSD and Falken Azenis so that always help from a stop.
Both guys were my buddies, so there were no hard feelings. If they woulda boasted, I woulda beat the **** out of them anyway.
The EX I raced from a slow roll, actually we both came off a left turn and floored it. I was behind him but did not gain at all.
The SI I raced from probly like 65 or 70mph.
I also raced an older SI, I think it was a '99 from a stop and took it through 1st gear but then it quickly caught up and passed me while I was in 2nd. I do have a stock LSD and Falken Azenis so that always help from a stop.
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skydragoness
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Ran 16.2 (that was missin' 3rd gear)
And my car has 108k
Seems to be a common thing: we can keep up, but can't gain.
Last night I went out with my bf in his 93' Z32 (n/a) and his friend who just got a 03' Spec V, him and his friend were neck to neck, and i was about 4 cars behind. At least I kept them in my sights
And my car has 108k
Seems to be a common thing: we can keep up, but can't gain.
Last night I went out with my bf in his 93' Z32 (n/a) and his friend who just got a 03' Spec V, him and his friend were neck to neck, and i was about 4 cars behind. At least I kept them in my sights
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skydragoness
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KDashy wrote:I think 240's fare better from a stop than from a roll.
I dont believe theyre too great on the strip either, but I just love it on a twisty mountain road.
I agree. I'll never go to the strip again (unless i'm turbo). Your friends are probably jealous of your car despite they beat you. 240's are all the rage
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Nameless EJ6
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Your not losing to cars you should be beating. You're losing to cars that you shouldn't be racing. It's pointless to race slow cars... especially while driving a slow car. And that's because slow cars are unpredictable. Sometimes this slow car will win.. and sometimes that slow car will win.. it's all typical of slow cars. I'm not bashing on 240s or civics.. I'm just saying that racing slow cars is like racing two motorcycles at the slowest speed possible while trying to retain balance on it. You never really know who will win.
Yes I own a 240 too.. and it's slow also. I do enjoy pulling up hills faster than most civics though. The only thing I pride over Civics is the torque. Also - all vtec civics have better gearing and a better top end. That's all it really takes to lose to a lower displacement car is no top end power.
There is always a winner to a race though. So if you are still berating your car on this, I suggest you race the civic a few more times. You never know, you may actually win.
Yes I own a 240 too.. and it's slow also. I do enjoy pulling up hills faster than most civics though. The only thing I pride over Civics is the torque. Also - all vtec civics have better gearing and a better top end. That's all it really takes to lose to a lower displacement car is no top end power.
There is always a winner to a race though. So if you are still berating your car on this, I suggest you race the civic a few more times. You never know, you may actually win.
(stands up) hi, my name is mike....i too have this problem.But i am not ashamed, the first step to the right direction is acceptance. thank you.(sits down)
lol but on a serious note.....i really dont expect to beat much things yet, cause my car is so old....yet soooo beautiful. Once my engine is back in order and actually making what its supposed to be making, then i will start racing more. Now i just think that you gotta accept that our cars are not in its prime. Oh and i have the same model as you spitz
lol but on a serious note.....i really dont expect to beat much things yet, cause my car is so old....yet soooo beautiful. Once my engine is back in order and actually making what its supposed to be making, then i will start racing more. Now i just think that you gotta accept that our cars are not in its prime. Oh and i have the same model as you spitz
I drove a SOHC with intake and cat-back. It was way slower then my 240. Also handled way worse then my 240 (I have the HICAS edition, with stock stiffer springs, shocks, and sways). If you beat a new celica, then either the other dude wasn't racing or he missed every gear twice. Also, 1st gen MR2's didn't come turbo, they came supercharged or n/a.
screw that hondas suck i have takin many sohc vtec hondas with my sohc 240. spitz you shouldnt be losing man. and i have a intake, exhaust and pulley. my car also has 172,xxx miles on it. hondas are all noise you should only worry about b16's.(si motor). hodas with the stock motors are weak even a civic ex. Hey Spitz its just your motor is trying to tell you something.........SR20 ME!!!!!!!
that ****ty gear ratio our 240 has is what make it so freaking simple to lose.
my sohc 240 have a gay exhaust welded to the stock piping with a hks intake that's has a filter that has never been clean since i got my car. i also have major exhaust leak and the car bogs out running like **** with a warp flywheel. and i never really push my car hard so wouldn't know when each gears are maxed out...
i race one of those integra (92 looking one) and beat him...i lost to my coworker 95 civic si after he pulled on me while i was halfway in third gear..... in both race i was shifting randomly not even paying attention to the rpm since i see it's pointless for me since i don't go near redline anyways....
my sohc 240 have a gay exhaust welded to the stock piping with a hks intake that's has a filter that has never been clean since i got my car. i also have major exhaust leak and the car bogs out running like **** with a warp flywheel. and i never really push my car hard so wouldn't know when each gears are maxed out...
i race one of those integra (92 looking one) and beat him...i lost to my coworker 95 civic si after he pulled on me while i was halfway in third gear..... in both race i was shifting randomly not even paying attention to the rpm since i see it's pointless for me since i don't go near redline anyways....
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RedHatchback
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Dude... why are you losing to Civics? I have I/H/E and I walk all day over Civics. And I'm an automatic.Hell,I've even beat'n some camaros and mustangs.You really need to find out where this power loss is coming from.I'll admit,I've been beat'n by some Civics,but they've all had that damn B16 or B18 swapped into them.
Ok, it seems like I keep running across people with this problem on here. I swear, I think this is the 3rd post I've read of this nature this week. I have a 96 240, fully loaded, 110,000 miles, 5 speed. Here is my EXACT set-up:
Injen CAI with Apexi Power Intake filter (no CAI extension, just the standard pipe)NISMO headerApexi N1 singleCenterforce Dual friction clutchB&M shifterNGK plugs (of course)Timing at 24 degrees base and 93 octane fuelJust readjusted my throttle linkage to remove excess slack
Now, I have beaten new Civic SIs, Integra GSRs with mods-ON THE HIGHWAY, V6 Eclipses, Turbo Eclipses, a few Fox Body Mustangs that weren't stock....is my car just a freak or is it that I just have it tuned well? For the mods my car has, I think it holds its own very well. I think that some of you with 240s that are having problems beating wimpy Civics just need to really check everything on your car. Is your Cat old and clogged? Are the plugs good?? Is your ignition timing tuned properly?? Is your distributor cap and rotor good? Is there any slack in your throttle cable?? Is you air filter/intake pipe good?? Are you shifting at the right RPM?? When racing from a roll, are you downshifting to the right gear?? 240s are not slow for what they are. I know that they don't "feel" fast, but, there are cars that feel faster than they really are. Check all of these things and be sure that your 240 is in good working order and go kick that civics butt!!
Injen CAI with Apexi Power Intake filter (no CAI extension, just the standard pipe)NISMO headerApexi N1 singleCenterforce Dual friction clutchB&M shifterNGK plugs (of course)Timing at 24 degrees base and 93 octane fuelJust readjusted my throttle linkage to remove excess slack
Now, I have beaten new Civic SIs, Integra GSRs with mods-ON THE HIGHWAY, V6 Eclipses, Turbo Eclipses, a few Fox Body Mustangs that weren't stock....is my car just a freak or is it that I just have it tuned well? For the mods my car has, I think it holds its own very well. I think that some of you with 240s that are having problems beating wimpy Civics just need to really check everything on your car. Is your Cat old and clogged? Are the plugs good?? Is your ignition timing tuned properly?? Is your distributor cap and rotor good? Is there any slack in your throttle cable?? Is you air filter/intake pipe good?? Are you shifting at the right RPM?? When racing from a roll, are you downshifting to the right gear?? 240s are not slow for what they are. I know that they don't "feel" fast, but, there are cars that feel faster than they really are. Check all of these things and be sure that your 240 is in good working order and go kick that civics butt!!
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TachyonS14
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It's hard comparing slow used cars to slow used cars. Depending on how the motor was taken care of, and if it has a lot of city or a lot of freeway miles effects the performance of the car.
The person I bought my 240 from drove it ONLY freeway, and used a different car around town. As a result, my 240 seems to PULL hard in 4th and 5th gear because those are the gears the motor has ran it's entire life.
There are lots of variable involved, but say that your 240 is running in good condition you SHOULD spank that civic.
The person I bought my 240 from drove it ONLY freeway, and used a different car around town. As a result, my 240 seems to PULL hard in 4th and 5th gear because those are the gears the motor has ran it's entire life.
There are lots of variable involved, but say that your 240 is running in good condition you SHOULD spank that civic.
My compression was perfect across the board. My transmission has ****ty synchros, but I'm replacing it soon. Dunno, maybe my power is going there. Or maybe my diff is bad, it whines. IDK.cory2081 wrote:Is your Cat old and clogged? Who knows? Are the plugs good??Yes. Is your ignition timing tuned properly??As advanced as it can go w/o changing teeth. Is your distributor cap and rotor good?Brand new. Is there any slack in your throttle cable??Probably just a little bit? Is you air filter/intake pipe good??New cone filter, stock but good piping. Are you shifting at the right RPM??Yes, I've tried every shift point and found the best. When racing from a roll, are you downshifting to the right gear?? Uhh, yeah.
Twinchy wrote:hey cory does your b & m shfter make alot of noise? like when your just cruising around or at high rpms, does it make alot of noise
Mine is new, and buzzes really loud at very high rpm. Its just the aluminum shift knob that came with it though. I would use the stock shift knob but it is too big. I've been meaning to put some Nissan Silicone Gasket on the threads but haven't got around to it yet. I bet it'll take the noise away.
Spitz, exactly what is your timing set at?? As advanced as it can get without moving the distributor 1 tooth is probably way too much. You may be experiencing "knock retard" right now. I think you should check that. My car is a 96 and my cable had a good bit of slack, I'm sure yours has the same if not more. I'm assuming you don't have a header, so, maybe you should get one unless you plan on going turbo sometime soon. That would rule out the Cat altogether. I picked one up for $150 used. Probably the best mod I've done so far. Have you removed the butterflies in your intake manifold?? That is supposed to be a good mod for the S13. You may want to check if those are working properly as well if you do not plan to remove them. Ummmm, any evidence of plug wire arc??? That can definitly kill a cars performance. I'm just trying to think of things for you to check out man, you shouldnt be getting beat like this.