Since rules don't apply moderators I'll be moving on now.

[srellim234]

As has been demonstrated by the recent threads , moderators on this forum don't abide by the same rules regarding posts as everyone else. They are allowed to lock posts, unlock them to post their own opinions and insults unrelated to serious parts of discussions, then lock them again.

CodeRed, I may or may not be back depending on what action fellow moderators take agains cnichols. You received my concerns by email.

It's been fun and the potential is there for even greater things, but if the rule enforcers don't live by the rules, it's not worth it to me. I have plenty of other places where I belong and contribute and I'm more comfortable with how the moderators handle things, so I'll be moving along.

Bye.

[michelkenny]

Bye.

[Althalus]

Toodles.

[marleyfan]

I can see his point. I have noticed it too. I choose not to move on tho and will continue to post on this board and probably continue to have my posts deleted unnecessarily and will continue to see threads locked that shouldn't be just because a mod doesnt like the direction of the discussion....even when those participating in the discussion wish it to continue. I too have seen mods take public jabs at people in a thread. I have no problem with that except when the same mod then locks the thread thereby ending any response. I would prefer to see threads locked only when the are seriously out of control. Power is best used sparingly. End of rant. Time to lock this thread.

[equlizer]

in before the lock

[TheClevelandSound]

at least im not a puss...

This will happen in any forum u go to. I know im not a mod on this forum, but i am a modon the official Mushroomhead forums...and all mods work the same. Appreciate that they can bring this site to u, and stop complaining.

[Mr1der]

yup.

the reason for locking a thread about a previous locked thread is to let the drama the original created die out.

we're actually FAR FAR more lenient on things like this than most forums....we seldom even have to delete posts and when they are, it's an unjust or explicit personal attack or spamming....or someone posted a good nudie

the rules very much apply to us moderators as well, if something happens that one of us does the rest don't agree with, we take it up where it's unseen.

as far as what Chris said..I agree. Your thread started out fine but degenerated into something else due to other posters.

I gotta agree with him....however, his comments had nothing to do with any you did.

from a moderator stand point however, if you meet Nichols or talk to him on aim or outside of the versa forum, perhaps go to the Hybrid section, you'll soon find exactly why he's a moderator and a good one at that.

I personally think your anger or frustration is misdirected, I'd be more disappointed with Lain's immature logic.

[Dano]

Alright alright alright. Sit back, have some hot chocolate and flip on a ballgame.

What probably happened anyways was nichols posted without knowing the thread was locked... and here's why I say that. He was probably directly linked to the thread, and never saw the main thread listing page. IF you don't see that, then you won't see the little padlock next to the thread. If that's the case then it's very easy to post without knowing the thread has been locked since there's nothing preventing the reply function from being used by mods. So he probably innocently posted his reply thinking the topic was still active. Not defending him persay, just telling you what probably happened. I know I've made the mistake a few times in the past, it happens.

[audtatious]

I'm simply trying to comprehend why someone got so bent over Chris's response in the first place. Not like he bashed on a particular person. Members of this forum seem so sensitive nowadays. Hell, just post end enjoy the vehicle and other owners comraderie.

Sheesh....

[Beancooker]

For the most part, moderators have to abide by much more stringent rules then you do. We are not the ones posting pics of scantily clad women, and even when we don't want to, we have to respond in a professional manner, and can not flame people for their stupid actions.

I have posted in many locked threads, and never knew it, since moderators can post in locked threads without having to unlock it.

I am sorry to see any member leave, but you also have to understand that we are a very lenient forum as well. We strive to make it a fun place to be, and as I'm sure you will see when you visit other forums, most will require you to search before asking questions, flame you if you don't, and some charge money to use the search feature. Many forums will lock or delete a thread that is a question that has been asked before. Moderators on most forums are no where near as tolerant as we are, regarding the members. Most forums, would ban a member for posting a thread like this, with no explanation, other than "do not question the moderators actions", however here, we are trying to show you that what happened was not to intentionally spite you, just a circumstance of how forum software operates. Just as well, we never like to see any member leave. Yes, we have 70,000+ members, but we still don't want to lose one. So think about what has been said, and we hope to see you around again.

[marleyfan]

I think my main concern is that mods are inconsistent. One mod will lock a thread or delete a post far too quickly while another will allow things to degenerate without stepping in in any way. I appreciate the work mods do. I just would like to see threads allowed to run their course unless things get way out of hand. Some mods are just to quick to pull the trigger, stiffling interesting threads. Locking threads because they are no longer on the original topic is a bit silly. Threads are like conversations...the topic will shift and meander and sometimes come back on topic or sometimes just fizzle out. Over all I think most mods to a great job.

[AZhitman]

I don't like quitters... It's far more productive to stick around and see change implemented.

With that said, a couple thoughts come to mind: Life isn't fair, and this isn't a "democracy". Moderatorship is an unpaid, thankless gig, where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

However, best of luck finding a Versa forum as active and informative as this one... the few miniscule ones that are out there will be assimilated in short order, so it's not a great idea to sever all ties.

[BillyBeaneBall]

I mod/administrate a forum outside of NICOclub and know how hard it can be...and where I have no idea what happened to instigate your departure since I've been gone a few days, srellim, I'm sad to see you go. Posting in a locked forum by a mod is something than can be easily done by accident as they usually can post anywhere without ever "breaking" or "unlocking" the thread and the thread never directly tells them unless they see the little lock thingy on the thread.

I'd say spend a few days away and come back...if you still can't do it after that, then make it permanent...sometimes everyone needs to jst cool off a bit.

[cnichols]

What probably happened anyways was nichols posted without knowing the thread was locked... and here's why I say that. He was probably directly linked to the thread, and never saw the main thread listing page. IF you don't see that, then you won't see the little padlock next to the thread. If that's the case then it's very easy to post without knowing the thread has been locked since there's nothing preventing the reply function from being used by mods. So he probably innocently posted his reply thinking the topic was still active. Not defending him persay, just telling you what probably happened. I know I've made the mistake a few times in the past, it happens.

That is exactly what happened. I saw the link and figured I'd check it out since it's a section of NICO that I don't normally go to. If you look at most of my posts, the vast majority are informative and more than a simple word or two. Granted, this post was pointless, but I still don't see it as something to get bent out of shape about. It was a simple mistake. Let's all simma down now.

Also, after just now looking back at what I posted, you can tell from the last part of it that I clearly thought the thread was still open. If it'll make you feel better, I'll go back and delete it. As you can see, I'm not that worried about my post count as I've been on here for over 5 years and I'm just barely over 1500 posts.

[07Vsdn]

i think the mods do a great job on this site.

i spend a lot of time on mustangforums.com and over there flaming is practically encouraged! they are very hands off and i'm always getting into battles over there...

for example, here is the latest example of flaming; and it's pretty mild:

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_4092875/tm.htm

here, though, it's like a whole 'nother world. i think the mods run a tight ship and reign people in quick before things get nasty.

it's a much more pleasant environment.

[audtatious]

Thanks

We try to make the environment pleasant but things do slip through and everyone makes mistakes from time to time or has a bad day...Staff members included